Revamp of comp - 2025

[Rookie]

What are everyone’s thoughts?

Not sure I am sold and almost need a degree to work out all the permutations

[tadpole]

Its amazing the clubs have fallen for it.

It wont last. It will get eventually be replaced by something much simpler.

[romarios shin]

the premise is good and it will speed up development in junior football for the top end of the spectrum.

it might actually force some clubs to invest a bit of time and effort into their junior programs instead of using them as a cash cow.

[Guest1233]

How would club comp days work if Club A has a Tier 1 team in U13 and Club B has a Tier 2 team in U13?

Does each club still need to have. JSL team?

What happens to club fees when clubs spend extra on Veo and GPS trackers?

I like it but I’m confused.

[Rookie]

How would club comp days work if Club A has a Tier 1 team in U13 and Club B has a Tier 2 team in U13?

Does each club still need to have. JSL team?

What happens to club fees when clubs spend extra on Veo and GPS trackers?

I like it but I’m confused.

The way I read is that they all have to be in tier 1, but that would work in the first year but beyond that I have no idea

[Guest1233]

Bio banding will be interesting if it actually happens.

[tadpole]

All a clubs age groups in the club comp will be in the same tier. So there will be disparity between the teams by year level. Its no longer playing the best against the best at each age level. Its playing the average of the best across multiple age groups against each other and there is going to be outliers.

The structure itself wont make any difference to player development. Its all the bolt on's that could have been done under any structure.

It will drive up membership costs. Tier 1 clubs will be able to increase their membership fees. Their costs will be higher too.

The focus will be 100% onto results. There will be pressure on players and teams to perform in every age level so as to get promoted/avoid being relegated. The impact of promotion/relegation is much greater as every age group at the club in the club comp will be promoted or relegated.

One team could be the best at their age level in Tier 1 and might have the best coaches in the State. However they could be relegated because other age groups at the club are struggling.

[themessenger]

Its amazing the clubs have fallen for it.

It wont last. It will get eventually be replaced by something much simpler.

Actually all the clubs didn't fall for it. No discussion paper or written proposal was ever put to clubs for feedback. Had there been, a lot of changes would have been needed.
Eg a Youth Championship player at one club will be unable to change to another club in the same season and still play at the Youth Championship level. They can only play in the JSL equivalent at the new club. What is the rationale for that? How is that promoting junior player development?

It was always a done deal.

[milkyway]

Its amazing the clubs have fallen for it.

It wont last. It will get eventually be replaced by something much simpler.

Actually all the clubs didn't fall for it. No discussion paper or written proposal was ever put to clubs for feedback. Had there been, a lot of changes would have been needed.
Eg a Youth Championship player at one club will be unable to change to another club in the same season and still play at the Youth Championship level. They can only play in the JSL equivalent at the new club. What is the rationale for that? How is that promoting junior player development?

It was always a done deal.

Spot on.
Probably another idea from the Dutch playbook we like so much in this country!

[pannafc]

Really against this ... i understand what theyre trying to implement , but it doesnt / isnt going to work .. I'm currently coaching an under 12's team this season , people will argue " players get more time on the ball , more touches on the ball " etc..

No .. they don't, games are played on a much smaller pitch , which means there is less room for the players which means less time on the ball , I have 4-5 players on my team which can kick the ball from one 18 yard box to the other .. I'm seeing players weekly having shots on goal from the half way line , and the biggest thing that concerns / annoys me playing on these smaller grounds , is that compared to playing on a standard size pitch with proper goals that is the same at every ground you go to .. every club seems to have different size pitches ( and I'm not talking minor differences in pitch sizes , some have been considerably smaller then others ) and every club has different size goals .. so far from the games my team has played this season, the club I coach at is the only one with proper sized metal goals cemented into the ground with the proper pitch dimensions , we played a game in the city parklands not long ago that had flimsy pvc pipes for goals, that weren't secured to the ground , the game was stopped 3 times because of a ball hitting the post and sending the goal flying ..

I've also noticed that these small sided football games are producing ridiculous scorelines every match , 10+ goal games are extremely common , it's also challenging as a coach to give the kids any sort of formation / tactics as you've only got 8 kids on the field to work with ..

11 a side , on full sized pitch = better quality football

From my 26 years of playing and 4 years of coaching experience .. u14s is far to late for young players to be playing their first season on a full sized pitch with 11v11 ..

As for the " clubs need 13's , 14's , 15's , 16's and 17's to enter the jpl .. i personally think is a f***** disgrace and who ever has come up with that idea needs to find a new job .. this idea is going to decimate the smaller clubs in this state .. tell me now more then 70% of clubs has teams playing in every one of them age groups ? Congratulations Adelaide city , Sturt Marion, Campbelltown, Comets , Para hills , Metrostars etc .. because all this idea is going to do is destroy the smaller clubs who don't have as many juniors , they'll lose players that want to play JPL , spots will become harder to come by at the bigger clubs , which means these clubs will make registration fees even more expensive then they already are , the bigger richer clubs get bigger and richer , the smaller clubs get smaller and left behind..

I apologise for the long rant .. but this whole revamp has angered me to my core ...

[themessenger]

Really against this ... i understand what theyre trying to implement , but it doesnt / isnt going to work .. I'm currently coaching an under 12's team this season , people will argue " players get more time on the ball , more touches on the ball " etc..

No .. they don't, games are played on a much smaller pitch , which means there is less room for the players which means less time on the ball , I have 4-5 players on my team which can kick the ball from one 18 yard box to the other .. I'm seeing players weekly having shots on goal from the half way line , and the biggest thing that concerns / annoys me playing on these smaller grounds , is that compared to playing on a standard size pitch with proper goals that is the same at every ground you go to .. every club seems to have different size pitches ( and I'm not talking minor differences in pitch sizes , some have been considerably smaller then others ) and every club has different size goals .. so far from the games my team has played this season, the club I coach at is the only one with proper sized metal goals cemented into the ground with the proper pitch dimensions , we played a game in the city parklands not long ago that had flimsy pvc pipes for goals, that weren't secured to the ground , the game was stopped 3 times because of a ball hitting the post and sending the goal flying ..

I've also noticed that these small sided football games are producing ridiculous scorelines every match , 10+ goal games are extremely common , it's also challenging as a coach to give the kids any sort of formation / tactics as you've only got 8 kids on the field to work with ..

11 a side , on full sized pitch = better quality football

From my 26 years of playing and 4 years of coaching experience .. u14s is far to late for young players to be playing their first season on a full sized pitch with 11v11 ..

As for the " clubs need 13's , 14's , 15's , 16's and 17's to enter the jpl .. i personally think is a f***** disgrace and who ever has come up with that idea needs to find a new job .. this idea is going to decimate the smaller clubs in this state .. tell me now more then 70% of clubs has teams playing in every one of them age groups ? Congratulations Adelaide city , Sturt Marion, Campbelltown, Comets , Para hills , Metrostars etc .. because all this idea is going to do is destroy the smaller clubs who don't have as many juniors , they'll lose players that want to play JPL , spots will become harder to come by at the bigger clubs , which means these clubs will make registration fees even more expensive then they already are , the bigger richer clubs get bigger and richer , the smaller clubs get smaller and left behind..

I apologise for the long rant .. but this whole revamp has angered me to my core ...

Dont apologise. You're not the only person having a rant. There are a lot of others too, but probably very few of those are from NPL clubs which for the most part will be unaffected.

No consultation with Clubs over the most significant change to the Federation junior football competition in a decade. It's a joke.

[SP999]

It's always been rigged in favor of the bigger clubs.

They have too many juniors as it is and then they create extra JSL teams to fill their pockets.

[Guest1233]

Kids playing JSL are going to get left behind as well. The club championship model is separated from the rest of the clubs matches and I reckon it will become harder for kids to get solid coaching and development in JSL comps.

I love the concept of club v club but it’ll be the same clubs and kids every year at the top level (large clubs charging massive fees) and teams in A grade at smaller clubs will be decimated.

[pannafc]

What p****** me off about this.. is the club I'm at has this year been able to start its junior program up again , we struggled early on for numbers but ended up getting the numbers to field an U7's , two U9's , U11's and two under 12's teams , between both of our current U12's teams , and hopes of attracting more players next preseason , we planned on fielding one JPL side and one in the JSL next season with the excitement of also moving on to a full sized pitch with 11v11 ...

This new revamp has now all but thrown them plans completely out the window .. as I'm 99% sure there is no hope of getting enough players to field 16's and 17's .. let alone have them to a standard good enough for JPL ..

Instead .. now we face the grim reality of losing a serious amount of young talent we've worked so hard to get to the club .. because they want to progress and play JPL football , it will stop players from elsewhere coming over because of the lack of JPL opportunities.. and worse of all it really hurts the club , financially and years down the track with young players that could of one day gone on to play in the senior ranks ..

Watch the state of junior football in this country decline to an all time low in this country , and the ridiculous monopoly the bigger clubs will have compared to the smaller ones because of this revamp .. depresses me just thinking about it

[romarios shin]

It's always been rigged in favor of the bigger clubs.

They have too many juniors as it is and then they create extra JSL teams to fill their pockets.

this can be stopped by limiting JSL teams per club and also not allowing player movement between JPL and JSL in season.
I believe that clubs have to supply a draft junior playing list and then a final playing list to the FSA before the season commences.

[romarios shin]

What p****** me off about this.. is the club I'm at has this year been able to start its junior program up again , we struggled early on for numbers but ended up getting the numbers to field an U7's , two U9's , U11's and two under 12's teams , between both of our current U12's teams , and hopes of attracting more players next preseason , we planned on fielding one JPL side and one in the JSL next season with the excitement of also moving on to a full sized pitch with 11v11 ...

This new revamp has now all but thrown them plans completely out the window .. as I'm 99% sure there is no hope of getting enough players to field 16's and 17's .. let alone have them to a standard good enough for JPL ..

Instead .. now we face the grim reality of losing a serious amount of young talent we've worked so hard to get to the club .. because they want to progress and play JPL football , it will stop players from elsewhere coming over because of the lack of JPL opportunities.. and worse of all it really hurts the club , financially and years down the track with young players that could of one day gone on to play in the senior ranks ..

Watch the state of junior football in this country decline to an all time low in this country , and the ridiculous monopoly the bigger clubs will have compared to the smaller ones because of this revamp .. depresses me just thinking about it

But isn't a high quality competition what all higher level players want to play in, the reality of the situation is that as a state we are way behind other states in football terms, this might bridge that gap.... there are lots of clubs who wont qualify for this comp but it doesn't really change a lot, it is essentially the BOYS JPLA and GIRLS RED teams playing against each other and 99% of them clubs already have enough teams and players to participate.
if you are a perceived smaller club with maybe 2 or 3 junior JPLB/JPLC/JSL/BLUE/PURPLE teams across age groups what changes for you and what teams are you losing players to.
what we all need to be aware of (especially Parents and players) is clubs now advertising and using the new comp as a selling point to attract new players, when no one yet knows what the structure will look like and if advertising club will even be a part of it.

it would be good to see what clubs people think will take part

[pannafc]

What I really don't get is why clubs need to feed teams in every age group 13's to 17's , in order to enter the JPL .. of which every team then has to then play in the JPL ? Most clubs with multiple teams in age group from what I've seen so far will field a strong Jpl team , and have the rest play in jsl , now it's every team will be either jpl or or jsl .. your going to have teams in jpl leagues getting smacked by cricket scores weekly , and teams in jsl that should be in the jpl winning by cricket scores every week , how is that good for anyone ?

[romarios shin]

if you assume that this years U12/13/14/15 stay where they are and are next years U13/14/15/16 then the following teams will probably be in the comp

DIV A
Cumberland - all teams currently JPLA
Adelaide City - all teams currently JPLA
Raiders - all teams currently JPLA
Comets - all teams currently JPLA
Olympic - 3 teams JPLA 1 team in JPLB
South Adelaide - 3 teams JPLA 1 team in JPLB
Birkalla - 3 teams JPLA 1 team in JPLB
Metrostars - 3 teams JPLA 1 team in JPLB
Campbelltown - 3 teams JPLA 1 team in JPLB
Vipers 3 teams - JPLA 1 team in JPLB
Beograd 2 teams - JPLA 2 teams JPLB
Jets - 2 teams - JPLA 2 teams JPLB

DIV B
Sturt
Playford
Croydon
West Adelaide
Strikers
Noarlunga
Para Hills
Adelaide Hills
Port Adelaide
Vista
Salisbury
+ one more

like i've said before, its all guesswork until everyone is formally told how it will work, i still think it has value as a competition.
looking at those leagues above, i cant see any huge scorelines happening but i can see really high quality games.

[themessenger]

if you assume that this years U12/13/14/15 stay where they are and are next years U13/14/15/16 then the following teams will probably be in the comp

DIV A
Cumberland - all teams currently JPLA
Adelaide City - all teams currently JPLA
Raiders - all teams currently JPLA
Comets - all teams currently JPLA
Olympic - 3 teams JPLA 1 team in JPLB
South Adelaide - 3 teams JPLA 1 team in JPLB
Birkalla - 3 teams JPLA 1 team in JPLB
Metrostars - 3 teams JPLA 1 team in JPLB
Campbelltown - 3 teams JPLA 1 team in JPLB
Vipers 3 teams - JPLA 1 team in JPLB
Beograd 2 teams - JPLA 2 teams JPLB
Jets - 2 teams - JPLA 2 teams JPLB

DIV B
Sturt
Playford
Croydon
West Adelaide
Strikers
Noarlunga
Para Hills
Adelaide Hills
Port Adelaide
Vista
Salisbury
+ one more

like i've said before, its all guesswork until everyone is formally told how it will work, i still think it has value as a competition.
looking at those leagues above, i cant see any huge scorelines happening but i can see really high quality games.

That doesn't include the new clubs entering the Senior Men's Comp many of whom already have teams playing JSL. From 2025 those 8 clubs (if admitted) will be permitted to enter teams in the JPL comp. So will all those clubs have their 13-16 age junior teams in a Tier 3 league?

[SP999]

It seems to be aligned with Seniors divisions with a few exceptions.

[themessenger]

It seems to be aligned with Seniors divisions with a few exceptions.

FSA has already stated the revised Junior Comp will NOT be aligned with Seniors

[romarios shin]

Girls will probably only be 1 division, 10-12 teams from the below

Adelaide Uni
Campbelltown
WT Birkalla
Salisbury Inter
Elizabeth Grove
Adelaide City
Metro
Adelaide Jaguars
South Adelaide
Modbury Jets
Flinders Utd
Comets
Fulham
Sturt
Vista

for the above clubs the hardest thing will be filling U16s, it could be at the expense of keeping an U17s

[BeNatural]

Tier 1
Adelaide City
Adelaide Comets
Adelaide Croatia Raiders
Adelaide Olympic
Campbelltown City
Cumberland United
Football SA
MetroStars
Modbury Jets
South Adelaide
Vipers FC
WT Birkalla

[Guest1233]

So it’s definitely happening.

I was half thinking it may not eventuate.

Up go fees and player numbers for the Tier 1 clubs.

I feel for junior teams that have won or maintained promotion in JPL A and will be relegated in line with their club’s Tier level.

[Eliup]

Hiya

Does anyone have their 2 and 3 list please?

[Lucas Leiva]

Have just seen a Tier 1 club advertise fees at $1720 JPL U12-U17 and $1490 JSL U12-U17

These amounts don't include the FSA additional registration fees or a $110 "facilities levy" the club is charging.

These fees don't belong in football in SA.

[BeNatural]

Have just seen a Tier 1 club advertise fees at $1720 JPL U12-U17 and $1490 JSL U12-U17

These amounts don't include the FSA additional registration fees or a $110 "facilities levy" the club is charging.

These fees don't belong in football in SA.

Why not?

lets say 150 hours of contact, thats only $11/hour.

Some Academies are charging $25/hour

Swimming is over $20/hour and its run by some 16 year old kid

Dance is over $20/hour

$11/hour seems reasonable including i assume uniform.

[rossonero]

Have just seen a Tier 1 club advertise fees at $1720 JPL U12-U17 and $1490 JSL U12-U17

These amounts don't include the FSA additional registration fees or a $110 "facilities levy" the club is charging.

These fees don't belong in football in SA.

There are also clubs advertising $1450 for 12s and older

[Lucas Leiva]

Have just seen a Tier 1 club advertise fees at $1720 JPL U12-U17 and $1490 JSL U12-U17

These amounts don't include the FSA additional registration fees or a $110 "facilities levy" the club is charging.

These fees don't belong in football in SA.

Why not?

lets say 150 hours of contact, thats only $11/hour.

Some Academies are charging $25/hour

Swimming is over $20/hour and its run by some 16 year old kid

Dance is over $20/hour

$11/hour seems reasonable including i assume uniform.

I'll just give you 5 reasons why not for now:

1) it's the club making this decision, not the sport. So we have this ridiculous bottom-up approach that will never change by doing this
2) it'll thin out the talent pool by making the better environments harder to access
3) competition-wise it is driving youth away from our sport by virtue of parents not wanting to pay that amount
4) I don't think parents should be paying these amounts for the first time so some people can be full-time in football
5) the elite pathway in SA is going to be free from 2025, it's a travesty to hear clubs advertise themselves as an elite pathway and charge that amount, clubs are diverging significantly from point zero. Also, the Club Changer status was meant to move clubs towards fee-free football ironically.

[BeNatural]

Dont join those club then. Your have a choice of 30+ other clubs. Join a different club.

But every club has different expenses, some clubs have large facilities they need to cover the costs, other cubs only have 1 ground so limited costs.

The YCC is basically creating a Private vs Public school/academy type situation by having different tiers. Blame the FSA for setting it up and also for the new fee structure.

How do you have fee free football, when the FSA and FFA charge exorbitant fees to clubs and players. Who covers those costs? Sponsors? There arent many sponsors putting in money these days. Just look at the FSA sponsorship amounts in the AGM, its very low for a state based body with 50,000 participants in various competitions.