Serie A attendences

Stevie G Anfield Legend · Mon May 28, 2007 11:21 pm

Although it is hard for me to admit, I believe the Serie A is one of the best leagues in the world, italy are world champs, and their clubs (such as milan) have been incredibly succesful over the years

So I would just like to ask all the serie A followers.. ' how come every time i see games from italy the stadiums are empty ?

Will these circumstances change soon ?

FerrariTifosi27 · Post by **FerrariTifosi27** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:27 pm

The stadiums have been empty due to the violence that happened before the Palermo-Catania game with the Police officer and that caused most clubs to play without fans just incase of more riots. Now they have let ticketholders go into the Catania homeground and are slowly letting all the fans comeback to watch the games.

The league still has been entertaining this season with many, many, many goals. The Serie A will be back to normal now and next season the league will be more competitive. I can't wait for next season.

ronaldo07 · Post by **ronaldo07** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:29 pm

Milanista Wollowra wrote:The stadiums have been empty due to the violence that happened before the Palermo-Catania game with the Police officer and that caused most clubs to play without fans just incase of more riots. Now they have let ticketholders go into the Catania homeground and are slowly letting all the fans comeback to watch the games.

The league still has been entertaining this season with many, many, many goals. The Serie A will be back to normal now and next season the league will be more competitive. I can't wait for next season.

apparently u havent watch seria a match regulary milanista wallowra .. im sure b4 the violence, the seats are EMPTY TOO !!

FerrariTifosi27 · Post by **FerrariTifosi27** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:32 pm

ronaldo07 wrote:
Milanista Wollowra wrote:The stadiums have been empty due to the violence that happened before the Palermo-Catania game with the Police officer and that caused most clubs to play without fans just incase of more riots. Now they have let ticketholders go into the Catania homeground and are slowly letting all the fans comeback to watch the games.

The league still has been entertaining this season with many, many, many goals. The Serie A will be back to normal now and next season the league will be more competitive. I can't wait for next season.
apparently u havent watch seria a match regulary milanista wallowra .. im sure b4 the violence, the seats are EMPTY TOO !!

I believe I have so. When I watched Milan vs Cagliari on ESPN the stadium was packed. Also when I watched Empoli vs Inter that was packed & Reggina vs Cagliari. All the games I have seen were packed except for after the violence I've watched it every week Soon Twat you sick supaphantic suckup smiling through your teeth.

You have no idea Ronaldo07, you don't even watch Serie A you un-Italian racial fool.

Valentino The Immortal · Mon May 28, 2007 11:32 pm

ill tell you why coz everytime the fans go to the stadium they are eaten by a rare bird of prey called the dux, they peck off fans like fairy bread... investigators have tried to hunt down and kill the bird but they cant find their habitat and feel they exist only in the realm of our own minds and fantasy.. many stadiums fans were shut out for their own sakes in order to save lives, it has payed off and it seems the dux has moved to alternate environments to get their feed. I think fan attendance will pick up now.

ronaldo07 · Post by **ronaldo07** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:36 pm

hey milanista, i believe a match of Reading vs Spurs will hav more attendance than AC Milan vs Cagliari

FerrariTifosi27 · Post by **FerrariTifosi27** » Mon May 28, 2007 11:40 pm

ronaldo07 wrote:hey milanista, i believe a match of Reading vs Spurs will hav more attendance than AC Milan vs Cagliari

I believe that AC Milan vs Inter has more fans than all EPL matches combined

Valentino The Immortal · Mon May 28, 2007 11:44 pm

it is not the quantity but the quality. In Italy it is not as easy as in england for fans to go to games. Most fans dont live in the city for which team they support they move for work. post some sense this is football news

Juventino · Post by **Juventino** » Tue May 29, 2007 12:01 am

Without going into too much detail, the floowing are some reasons why attendances continue to fall -

- rising ticket prices. For example, some tickets for Juventus-Mantova last week were 95 Euros.

- concern over safety at stadiums. People would rather watch on tv than go to stadiums.

- away fans don't travel in huge numbers, leaving one section of the stadium relatively empty

- playing games at times the public are unhappy with. For example Serie B games on Saturday and Serie A matches on Saturday night, especially the 6pm game.

Perhaps someone else can elaborate or add more examples.

Stevie G Anfield Legend · Tue May 29, 2007 12:29 am

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Milanista Wollowra wrote:The stadiums have been empty due to the violence that happened before the Palermo-Catania game with the Police officer and that caused most clubs to play without fans just incase of more riots. Now they have let ticketholders go into the Catania homeground and are slowly letting all the fans comeback to watch the games.

The league still has been entertaining this season with many, many, many goals. The Serie A will be back to normal now and next season the league will be more competitive. I can't wait for next season.

I am fully aware of this, but even before the incident even big teams such as juventus were getting crowds which would be more inclined to that of an a-league match. (im talking about the last few years in the serie a, not just the last few weeks) & yes the average attendences were crap.

I dont see why the federation cant fix sum of the problems juventino4eva has pointed out, and any other related problems

Juventino · Post by **Juventino** » Tue May 29, 2007 12:35 am

Regarding Juventus' attendances, they continued to fall each season from about 98 onwards. Ticket prices were a main reason. Also, many fans hated the Delle Alpi. In some seats, you are more than 100 meters away from the pitch. So the fans were paying top dollar to watch something where the players could be indistinguishable.

It is a shame that a club like Juventus can have such crap crowds at home games. So hopefully this new stadium, where the capacity will be around 45,000 and will have fans close to the pitch will mean full houses every home game.

Oh and if you are wondering why when you see on tv no fans sit in the first few rows, it is because of the advertising boards on the side of the field. You cannot see over them! So no one sits in the first 5-10 rows.

aussie_ascoli · Post by **aussie_ascoli** » Tue May 29, 2007 12:51 am

The collective problems
1. Yes violence, however it was far more violent in the past and that didn't stop attandances.
2. Outdated stadiums, however there is a problem in funding new stadiums, especially for small clubs.
3. Big Vs Little
4. Ticket prices Vs Tv prices and the effects that TV compaines have on small clubs.

Points 3 and 4 have the greatest affect.
Its silly to think violence is a major problem, as many outsiders think. Simply the most dangerous games are the games with usually the highest attendances - the derby games.

I see a massive problem in the greedy big boys of italian football. Which is having effects on attendances as well. Considering that a collective tv rights agreement earns practically nothing for most clubs, the bigger clubs are able to sell their individual rights for massive amounts of money, while the smaller clubs have to fight for 9th-10th rate contracts. Knowing media companies have snapped up the big boys, the small clubs are neglected. This drives the local fan out of the sport knowing their team, cannot even get near to competing against the big boys, and are massively ripped off. They are ripped off especially when these very media companies that have paid F8ck all for the clubs TV rights. Then sell coverage of the game for less than a few euro's. Taking the supporter out of the stadium into their own couch. With the lack of TV rights revenue for the small clubs, it has forced the clubs to up their prices. As for the big clubs they've up'ed their prices cause they want more money.

An example of a small club is the derby of Ascoli-Pescara. In ascoli's last season in C1, in Ascoli 10 000 supporters rocked up. In Ascoli's last season in B against Pescara 7000 supporters turned up.
I wouldn't say there was a rise in violence in those 3 seasons, or the stadium completely deteriorated. But because of increased prices at the gates, the ability and ease to watch the games on Sky-italia for a few euro's, and games being played on Saturday nights.
Ascoli's average in Serie A last season was 11-13000 can't remember which one, thats almost like playing Pescara in C1.
Even see Napoli and Genoa, they had massive ticket sales in C1.

Juventino · Post by **Juventino** » Tue May 29, 2007 12:57 am

Ticket prices are a joke. Like I said 95 Euros some Juve tickets were going for.

aussie_ascoli · Post by **aussie_ascoli** » Tue May 29, 2007 10:42 am

I think this seasons figures should not be looked at - honestly. After the Catania sh1t many clubs played big teams with restricted numbers. For example Ascoli played Roma, and Inter (sellout games) infront of season ticket holders. The very week the Catania riots happened, Ascoli was playing Milan which in the lead up sold out the game, with included deals for the Udinese game as well (ticket for Milan and Udinese games). Tickets were refunded, and the Milan game was played on a weekday in the afternoon.

That was practically 3 sell out games missed (max 24 000), and the Udinese game could of achieved 14-15 000, especially if Ascoli put a good show against Milan

It also must be noted, that max attendance in Ascoli will not occur regulary, even if all these problems are fixed. Its simply far-fetched to believe the half of Ascoli's population would attend each game. And i'm yet to see a team anywhere in world to do similar. Although back in the day Ascoli was averaging near 20 000, however prices were cheap.

ruud · Post by **ruud** » Tue May 29, 2007 10:53 am

Rank Team----------Total--------Average
1 AC Milan-------259,000-----51,800
2 Inter Milan----204,251------40,850
3 Roma----------243,197------40,532
4 Fiorentina------161,401-----32,280
5 Palermo--------141,177-----28,235
6 Sampdoria -----103,063----20,612
7 Torino-----------123,000----20,500
8 Chievo Verona---86,372---17,274
9 Messina----------83,000---16,600
10 Udinese---------81,500---16,300
11 Lazio------------65,000---16,250
12 Cagliari---------75,000 --15,000
13 Atalanta--------82,000---13,666
14 Parma----------66,879 ---13,375
15 Reggina --------66,000 --13,200
16 Catania ------40,000--- -10,000
17 Livorno------48,525------9,705
18 Ascoli ------30,800------7,700
19 Siena ----36,000 ------7,200
20 Empoli ---35,000 -------7,000

Italian Serie A Unofficial Average Attendance: 19,904

Napoli----106,880-----53,440

erm... i think these figures should be looked at...

for example - 7000 x 34 matches or so does not equal a total 35000 attendance!!!!

or am i missing something?

diegom · Post by **diegom** » Tue May 29, 2007 11:27 am

Huntelaar wrote:
Rank Team----------Total--------Average
1 AC Milan-------259,000-----51,800
2 Inter Milan----204,251------40,850
3 Roma----------243,197------40,532
4 Fiorentina------161,401-----32,280
5 Palermo--------141,177-----28,235
6 Sampdoria -----103,063----20,612
7 Torino-----------123,000----20,500
8 Chievo Verona---86,372---17,274
9 Messina----------83,000---16,600
10 Udinese---------81,500---16,300
11 Lazio------------65,000---16,250
12 Cagliari---------75,000 --15,000
13 Atalanta--------82,000---13,666
14 Parma----------66,879 ---13,375
15 Reggina --------66,000 --13,200
16 Catania ------40,000--- -10,000
17 Livorno------48,525------9,705
18 Ascoli ------30,800------7,700
19 Siena ----36,000 ------7,200
20 Empoli ---35,000 -------7,000

Italian Serie A Unofficial Average Attendance: 19,904

Napoli----106,880-----53,440
erm... i think these figures should be looked at...

for example - 7000 x 34 matches or so does not equal a total 35000 attendance!!!!

or am i missing something?

Thats why we need NAPOLI in Serie A ASAP
WHAT A FANTASTIC AFFORT FROM THE NAPOLITANI

INTERISTA · Post by **INTERISTA** » Tue May 29, 2007 2:12 pm

Huntelaar wrote:
Rank Team----------Total--------Average
1 AC Milan-------259,000-----51,800
2 Inter Milan----204,251------40,850
3 Roma----------243,197------40,532
4 Fiorentina------161,401-----32,280
5 Palermo--------141,177-----28,235
6 Sampdoria -----103,063----20,612
7 Torino-----------123,000----20,500
8 Chievo Verona---86,372---17,274
9 Messina----------83,000---16,600
10 Udinese---------81,500---16,300
11 Lazio------------65,000---16,250
12 Cagliari---------75,000 --15,000
13 Atalanta--------82,000---13,666
14 Parma----------66,879 ---13,375
15 Reggina --------66,000 --13,200
16 Catania ------40,000--- -10,000
17 Livorno------48,525------9,705
18 Ascoli ------30,800------7,700
19 Siena ----36,000 ------7,200
20 Empoli ---35,000 -------7,000

Italian Serie A Unofficial Average Attendance: 19,904

Napoli----106,880-----53,440
erm... i think these figures should be looked at...

for example - 7000 x 34 matches or so does not equal a total 35000 attendance!!!!

or am i missing something?

ur including away games..

CR7 · Post by **CR7** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:35 pm

ahahahaha
7000 that is laughable we get more at the downs vs vale

LFTWNG11 · Post by **LFTWNG11** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:48 pm

#15# INTERISTA #15# wrote:
Huntelaar wrote:
Rank Team----------Total--------Average
1 AC Milan-------259,000-----51,800
2 Inter Milan----204,251------40,850
3 Roma----------243,197------40,532
4 Fiorentina------161,401-----32,280
5 Palermo--------141,177-----28,235
6 Sampdoria -----103,063----20,612
7 Torino-----------123,000----20,500
8 Chievo Verona---86,372---17,274
9 Messina----------83,000---16,600
10 Udinese---------81,500---16,300
11 Lazio------------65,000---16,250
12 Cagliari---------75,000 --15,000
13 Atalanta--------82,000---13,666
14 Parma----------66,879 ---13,375
15 Reggina --------66,000 --13,200
16 Catania ------40,000--- -10,000
17 Livorno------48,525------9,705
18 Ascoli ------30,800------7,700
19 Siena ----36,000 ------7,200
20 Empoli ---35,000 -------7,000

Italian Serie A Unofficial Average Attendance: 19,904

Napoli----106,880-----53,440
erm... i think these figures should be looked at...

for example - 7000 x 34 matches or so does not equal a total 35000 attendance!!!!

or am i missing something?
ur including away games..

38 rounds = 19 home games... 7000 x 19 is still not 35,000. I dunno hoe these things are figured out, an eyetalian accountant surely put these numbers together! the reason the total is so small is prolly because cos they only declared a small percentae of the takings... the true eyetalian way

Piola · Post by **Piola** » Tue May 29, 2007 3:50 pm

those crowd numbers came from ESPN Soccernet.

ronaldo07 · Post by **ronaldo07** » Tue May 29, 2007 8:35 pm

7000 .. hmm that's almost as much as the crowds in the stadium when i play basketball game

ozzie owl · Post by **ozzie owl** » Wed May 30, 2007 9:54 am

The crowds of the mid table and lower clubs are a real concern and must be due to violence, prices, game times and lack of competition.

The EPL needs to watch these trends aaside from the majors some of the mid-table clubs are feeling the pinch. Clubs such as Middlesbrough,Bolton, Blackburn and Wigan struggling to fill stadiums.

adriano10 · Post by **adriano10** » Wed May 30, 2007 11:26 am

Milanista Wollowra wrote:
ronaldo07 wrote:hey milanista, i believe a match of Reading vs Spurs will hav more attendance than AC Milan vs Cagliari
I believe that AC Milan vs Inter has more fans than all EPL matches combined

exactly...called by many the biggest sporting derby in the world for a reason...

the atmosphere in the big italian stadia is second to none...the big teams still get good crowds

aussie_ascoli · Post by **aussie_ascoli** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:15 pm

adriano10 wrote:
Milanista Wollowra wrote:
ronaldo07 wrote:hey milanista, i believe a match of Reading vs Spurs will hav more attendance than AC Milan vs Cagliari
I believe that AC Milan vs Inter has more fans than all EPL matches combined
exactly...called by many the biggest sporting derby in the world for a reason...

the atmosphere in the big italian stadia is second to none...the big teams still get good crowds

Nope Roma-Lazio

LFTWNG11 · Post by **LFTWNG11** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:17 pm

aussie_ascoli wrote:
adriano10 wrote:
Milanista Wollowra wrote:
ronaldo07 wrote:hey milanista, i believe a match of Reading vs Spurs will hav more attendance than AC Milan vs Cagliari
I believe that AC Milan vs Inter has more fans than all EPL matches combined
exactly...called by many the biggest sporting derby in the world for a reason...

the atmosphere in the big italian stadia is second to none...the big teams still get good crowds

Nope Roma-Lazio

Juventino · Post by **Juventino** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:23 pm

aussie_ascoli wrote:
adriano10 wrote:
Milanista Wollowra wrote:
ronaldo07 wrote:hey milanista, i believe a match of Reading vs Spurs will hav more attendance than AC Milan vs Cagliari
I believe that AC Milan vs Inter has more fans than all EPL matches combined
exactly...called by many the biggest sporting derby in the world for a reason...

the atmosphere in the big italian stadia is second to none...the big teams still get good crowds
Nope Roma-Lazio

What about Ascoli - Sambenedettese?

aussie_ascoli · Post by **aussie_ascoli** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:28 pm

juventino_4_ever wrote:
aussie_ascoli wrote:
adriano10 wrote:
Milanista Wollowra wrote:
ronaldo07 wrote:hey milanista, i believe a match of Reading vs Spurs will hav more attendance than AC Milan vs Cagliari
I believe that AC Milan vs Inter has more fans than all EPL matches combined
exactly...called by many the biggest sporting derby in the world for a reason...

the atmosphere in the big italian stadia is second to none...the big teams still get good crowds
Nope Roma-Lazio
What about Ascoli - Sambenedettese?

Its like Miss World Vs Miss Universe. When were talking about World yes Lazio-Roma, but when we talk about the Universe its Ascoli - Sambamerda.

Anyways i knew if i was to mention it, i would of got blasted, by people who no nothing about this derby which occurs once in ever 40 years or so. As Mazzone said there only two derbies in the world that count > Ascoli-Samb and Lazio-Roma.

MilanManiac · Post by **MilanManiac** » Wed May 30, 2007 12:40 pm

japan won miss universe, so ur cooked nontheless

delfino_1936 · Post by **delfino_1936** » Wed May 30, 2007 5:24 pm

juventino_4_ever wrote:
aussie_ascoli wrote:
adriano10 wrote:
Milanista Wollowra wrote:
ronaldo07 wrote:hey milanista, i believe a match of Reading vs Spurs will hav more attendance than AC Milan vs Cagliari
I believe that AC Milan vs Inter has more fans than all EPL matches combined
exactly...called by many the biggest sporting derby in the world for a reason...

the atmosphere in the big italian stadia is second to none...the big teams still get good crowds
Nope Roma-Lazio
What about Ascoli - Sambenedettese?

Pescara - L'Aquila

Stevie G Anfield Legend · Wed May 30, 2007 8:13 pm

"ronaldo07: 7000 .. hmm that's almost as much as the crowds in the stadium when i play basketball game"

do u play for the 36ers ?

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