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Correct me if I am wrong but poaching is not some thing that is part of the accepted scene of football, and is not looked upon lightly by the general football community.
I know it happens all the time but when people approach players from other clubs it makes one wonder what sort of mentality they have in improving football in this state let alone their own club.
I am saying this as I know for a fact that a few of my players were asked on Sunday to trail next season/come across this season to their club.
This reflects very poorly on their club and themselves.
No names of club or people involved. Lets hope this does not continue.
Yes poaching is a big issue.. but i dont believe that much can be done about it, as it will always happen.
But i guess ultimately it comes down to the players decision on which club they chose to go to/ or stay at, although I have been in a position where the "person" gives offers, eg prems spot etc. which is hard, esp for young players to turn down.
listen darl (martin jol!) - it was against fulham united at collins reserve on mothers day and she was approached my myself "shorty" (aka - renee harrison!)
i didnt say drop everything at para hills and get ya a$$ to fulham coz we will pay you to play set u up in a house and give u a car... sorry i didnt say that mate..
i asked her ONCE - and i dunno if u were there but im preeeeeeetty sure i didnt have my arm around u, but i was laughing and so was cassie when i was saying it..
if anyone is against poaching it is ME, as i came from noarlunga - ALSO - fulham dont poach champ....
and yes im defensive on this point!!!
ShOrTy!
"float like a butterfly, sting like a bee!
Reborn...
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people come and go off their OWN merits - no one forces players to leave their clubs. i know for a fact fulham never made me n tanya leave noarlunga, we were the two loyalist players in the league and still are so at the end of the day like popstar said its the persons choice and loyalty shoudl come first...
ShOrTy!
"float like a butterfly, sting like a bee!
Reborn...
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ZZZZZZZZZZ - i dont know if ur referring to metro as years and years ago they were called north ewast metro stars (i think!!) but im sure as hell that their two coaches couldnt be screwed going to watch anutha clubs trainings; fair enuf games but trainings c'mon - this is womens soccer not the fifa world championships!!!
yeah beaut game - richmond say that every year HAHAHAHA
ShOrTy!
"float like a butterfly, sting like a bee!
Reborn...
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I have reiterated some time ago the facts why Neits left Noarlunga Lions, and I wont go into the matter again only to say her position became untenable. She was not poached and chose Fulham because of the club being close to SASI and wanted the best coaching. Nenita was approached by other clubs. This was only after people from other clubs. witnessed some of what was said and done. As Neits and Shorty have said a number of times on this forum they loved Noarlunga Lions.
I will not comment on Tanya and Renee's situation in finishing up at Fulham. Suffice to say the three girls have had success with Fulham.
Some consolation for the success they should have enjoyed together with others at Lions.
Other girls from Noarlunga Lions have had tremendous success with other clubs and SASI. PROUD OF ALL OF THEM.
Clubs who use intimidation and the power of forceful persuasion to keep players on their list must also face criticism. If these players who were wanting to move club were given the hard word, then its up to their parents (if minors) to step in and ensure that the move happens without any undue harassment.
If these players have been convicend to "stay" then how long is it before they just don't tun up at all and sit out the year and wait til season's end. Only thing occuring here is to delay the inevitable. The Club here should focus on the player who wants to stay because in time the coach and maybe the team members will start to alienate the player from the group.
I don't know the issue per se but there are many reasons why girls choose to move clubs. First on the list...Friendship!
Now that the season is wandering towards its climax, I thought I'd revisit this posting to see what has happened. Not much.
Poaching was the topic however, I have seen over the last 4 years another peculiarity that has not gone unnoticed however, no one has said anything about. That is the issue of players gravitating to the clubs where state team coaches have/are/were coaching at. Again, this is probably just an aberration however, given how everyone got hot under the collar with people speaking to players during the year, I reckon its probably worthy of discussion.
SAD GAL wrote:Now that the season is wandering towards its climax, I thought I'd revisit this posting to see what has happened. Not much.
Poaching was the topic however, I have seen over the last 4 years another peculiarity that has not gone unnoticed however, no one has said anything about. That is the issue of players gravitating to the clubs where state team coaches have/are/were coaching at. Again, this is probably just an aberration however, given how everyone got hot under the collar with people speaking to players during the year, I reckon its probably worthy of discussion.
Sal Gal,
In general I would say that state team coaches would be smart enough not to go poaching players, as they are in a position where such allegations could very easily be levelled against them.
I am not denying that maybe a very few coaches have done this in recent past, but they should have known better.
Where clubs do have players approaching them, this has to be handled very carefully, not only to avoid claims of poaching, but also to prevent other players already at the club feeling unsettled or threatened by 'high profile' (for want of a better description) players looking to move to their club.
Im surprised no one poached no 9 from the blue eagles yet. Canadian provincial rep for ontario or toronto since 10 years old. scored 80% of abe goals this year. gets most of the amatuers getting there a bit earlier to watch.
I dont think prem clubs would look at div 3 clubs for their next batch of players. div 3 is a social level of football and if this person is playing at that level and has remained there this season without looking to venture into a higher standard of football then obviously isnt interested in doing so
I think you'll find that this player was brought over or known to someone at ABE and that is why she has stayed on this season.... Perhaps she likes being the best player on the team... OR maybe she will move next year and challenge herself... If she's even in Australia that is....
Point is there are lots of quality players going around the lower divisions, like gubs said, maybe thats where they want to be... But maybe they don't realise their potential because the coaches etc at that level don't know what they're looking at or how to develop it... Don't discount players from lower leagues being worthy of becoming prem players because of their current position in the competition...
This is exactly the reason (well one at least) why we need to increase the exposure of the SAWSA leagues by centralising multi club games at specifc venues at the one time.
The league is far too egocentric for its own good and people are only focused on their own patch of grass. Why not expose clubs to all league levels? ABE may lose this qulaity player to a PL team however, there will be many PL players who would like to move to another div like the one ABE provides. As was said in here, there are many quality players in other divs that could easily move to the PL.
There are certainly a lot of ex-prem level players kicking it around in Div 1 and 2 in particular. These players are an intergral part of developing new players at this level of the game because of the experience and skill level they can offer...
But Billy the fact still remains that some clubs are just there for the fun of it, rather than for competition or progression or even development.
Have a look at how many clubs there are with just one team and that will give you an idea of how many clubs there are that are serious about being progressive
Dr.D wrote:There are certainly a lot of ex-prem level players kicking it around in Div 1 and 2 in particular. These players are an intergral part of developing new players at this level of the game because of the experience and skill level they can offer...
But Billy the fact still remains that some clubs are just there for the fun of it, rather than for competition or progression or even development.
Have a look at how many clubs there are with just one team and that will give you an idea of how many clubs there are that are serious about being progressive
Thats what we have this season at toros, a couple of ex prem league players playing in the div 1 team with the juniors, helping them develop on and off of the field, and the results this year have been second to none mainly down to the fantastic relationships that have been established between the experienced and junior players.
Martin Jol wrote:Correct me if I am wrong but poaching is not some thing that is part of the accepted scene of football, and is not looked upon lightly by the general football community.
I know it happens all the time but when people approach players from other clubs it makes one wonder what sort of mentality they have in improving football in this state let alone their own club.
I am saying this as I know for a fact that a few of my players were asked on Sunday to trail next season/come across this season to their club.
This reflects very poorly on their club and themselves.
No names of club or people involved. Lets hope this does not continue.
Of course it will continue, if a coach at one club comes across a player from another club, and feels that that player could strengthen their side, well the coach has all the right to invite that player to join another club. If it nearing the end of the season and players might be after a change then "if you don't ask you don't get" policy applies as far as i'm concerned. As far as the coaches "mentality" goes, if their trying to increase the talent at their club then i think that's a good thing providing a player isn't losing out because of it.
