U18s JSL competition

[Mr Red]

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100% agree with you

+1

[Pie and Bovril]

The biggest problem is the stigma with the u17’s. That is why the league is of a very low standard. I also think there should be u18’s under the junior banner and bring back U23’s. This would strengthen all leagues and in turn younger players will develop into better players.

the U18 league is pointless, so many kids leave teams mid season and leagues are unbalanced with big blowout scores. The U18 should be part of the juniors and an U21 or U23 league should be aligned to the seniors.

Some years back the FFSA changed Reserves to an under 23s league.

That proved unpopular with clubs as a lot of “over aged” experienced players left the competition. A couple of years later, the league was changed back to the Reserves league we have today, where there is no age restriction.

IMO age is no barrier, and a player in their mid 20s should not be rubbed out from playing for an FFSA club Reserves side. If anything their experience and maturity helps to balance a team that has a lot of up and coming younger players.

The U18's needs to be looked at. You have 14-15 year olds playing against 18's and they just not ready for it. Some of the 18's games I have watched this season have been farcical. I can guarantee in the next season or so that will have a knock on effect in reserves.

[Mr Red]

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The U18's needs to be looked at. You have 14-15 year olds playing against 18's and they just not ready for it. Some of the 18's games I have watched this season have been farcical. I can guarantee in the next season or so that will have a knock on effect in reserves.

IMO its not the structure its the quality and quantity pool of players available to clubs in a lot of cases.

[Sushi]

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The U18's needs to be looked at. You have 14-15 year olds playing against 18's and they just not ready for it. Some of the 18's games I have watched this season have been farcical. I can guarantee in the next season or so that will have a knock on effect in reserves.

IMO its not the structure its the quality and quantity pool of players available to clubs in a lot of cases.

You also get 14-15 year olds playing against other 14-15 year olds, perhaps getting ahead of themselves believing they are matching it with opponents supposedly 3 years older .
In fact it becomes Under 18s in name only.

[Sturt]

FFSA have offered a U18s (Like a JSL) on a SUnday.......for several years but not many takers so they havent run a competition

Sturt Lions has been pushing for an U18/U19 JSL style competition for 2 years now. The feedback this year from other clubs was that it should be an U20 competition. Every year there are probably around 500-1000 16-18 year old players that are lost to the sport because there is no football pathway for them.

Yes, many of these players are not going to play senior football. However their should be a football pathway for them that leads on to the amateur/collegiate system. There are also late developers or those who need to focus on year 12 or have a hard year at University and need to take a step back for a season. Too many players in this age bracket are lost to the game.

The problem is that the majority of clubs are just not interested in this competition. It needs 8 clubs to support it but in then end only 3 or 4 are willing to support it. We have contacted every senior club several times to try to get this competition up and running. The FFSA will run the competition if there are enough clubs to support it but unfortunately there is not.

[Mr Red]

FFSA have offered a U18s (Like a JSL) on a SUnday.......for several years but not many takers so they havent run a competition

Sturt Lions has been pushing for an U18/U19 JSL style competition for 2 years now. The feedback this year from other clubs was that it should be an U20 competition. Every year there are probably around 500-1000 16-18 year old players that are lost to the sport because there is no football pathway for them.

Yes, many of these players are not going to play senior football. However their should be a football pathway for them that leads on to the amateur/collegiate system. There are also late developers or those who need to focus on year 12 or have a hard year at University and need to take a step back for a season. Too many players in this age bracket are lost to the game.

The problem is that the majority of clubs are just not interested in this competition. It needs 8 clubs to support it but in then end only 3 or 4 are willing to support it. We have contacted every senior club several times to try to get this competition up and running. The FFSA will run the competition if there are enough clubs to support it but unfortunately there is not.

Have Sturt got an Amateur team or teams that young players could feed into as they move out of the 18's if they don't get selected for the FED reserves/1st team

[God is an Englishman]

FFSA have offered a U18s (Like a JSL) on a SUnday.......for several years but not many takers so they havent run a competition

Sturt Lions has been pushing for an U18/U19 JSL style competition for 2 years now. The feedback this year from other clubs was that it should be an U20 competition. Every year there are probably around 500-1000 16-18 year old players that are lost to the sport because there is no football pathway for them.

Yes, many of these players are not going to play senior football. However their should be a football pathway for them that leads on to the amateur/collegiate system. There are also late developers or those who need to focus on year 12 or have a hard year at University and need to take a step back for a season. Too many players in this age bracket are lost to the game.

The problem is that the majority of clubs are just not interested in this competition. It needs 8 clubs to support it but in then end only 3 or 4 are willing to support it. We have contacted every senior club several times to try to get this competition up and running. The FFSA will run the competition if there are enough clubs to support it but unfortunately there is not.

A pathway? You just turn up at a club and train with them. Why do they need a "pathway"? The only ones "lost to the sport" would be the ones that are happy to be lost to the sport.

[God is an Englishman]

FFSA have offered a U18s (Like a JSL) on a SUnday.......for several years but not many takers so they havent run a competition

Sturt Lions has been pushing for an U18/U19 JSL style competition for 2 years now. The feedback this year from other clubs was that it should be an U20 competition. Every year there are probably around 500-1000 16-18 year old players that are lost to the sport because there is no football pathway for them.

Yes, many of these players are not going to play senior football. However their should be a football pathway for them that leads on to the amateur/collegiate system. There are also late developers or those who need to focus on year 12 or have a hard year at University and need to take a step back for a season. Too many players in this age bracket are lost to the game.

The problem is that the majority of clubs are just not interested in this competition. It needs 8 clubs to support it but in then end only 3 or 4 are willing to support it. We have contacted every senior club several times to try to get this competition up and running. The FFSA will run the competition if there are enough clubs to support it but unfortunately there is not.

A pathway? You just turn up at a club and train with them. Why do they need a "pathway"? The only ones "lost to the sport" would be the ones that are happy to be lost to the sport.

[Pie and Bovril]

FFSA have offered a U18s (Like a JSL) on a SUnday.......for several years but not many takers so they havent run a competition

Sturt Lions has been pushing for an U18/U19 JSL style competition for 2 years now. The feedback this year from other clubs was that it should be an U20 competition. Every year there are probably around 500-1000 16-18 year old players that are lost to the sport because there is no football pathway for them.

Yes, many of these players are not going to play senior football. However their should be a football pathway for them that leads on to the amateur/collegiate system. There are also late developers or those who need to focus on year 12 or have a hard year at University and need to take a step back for a season. Too many players in this age bracket are lost to the game.

The problem is that the majority of clubs are just not interested in this competition. It needs 8 clubs to support it but in then end only 3 or 4 are willing to support it. We have contacted every senior club several times to try to get this competition up and running. The FFSA will run the competition if there are enough clubs to support it but unfortunately there is not.

A pathway? You just turn up at a club and train with them. Why do they need a "pathway"? The only ones "lost to the sport" would be the ones that are happy to be lost to the sport.

I think (he/she) is referring to a mid-age group team. Some players just aren't ready for full blown amateurs at 16-18.

[God is an Englishman]

3 Divisions in the 18's
2 Divisions in the 17's

Play C's in a crap side, there's always a way. A 18's JSL would be a good thing but it doesn't need a "PATHWAY", either they want to play or they don't.

Or have an Under 19's league, I'm sure these clubs need another way to get their decent players wages paid.

[Pie and Bovril]

3 Divisions in the 18's
2 Divisions in the 17's

Play C's in a crap side, there's always a way. A 18's JSL would be a good thing but it doesn't need a "PATHWAY", either they want to play or they don't.

Or have an Under 19's league, I'm sure these clubs need another way to get their decent players wages paid.

obviously not all clubs need the money if only four put their hands up

[God is an Englishman]

3 Divisions in the 18's
2 Divisions in the 17's

Play C's in a crap side, there's always a way. A 18's JSL would be a good thing but it doesn't need a "PATHWAY", either they want to play or they don't.

Or have an Under 19's league, I'm sure these clubs need another way to get their decent players wages paid.

obviously not all clubs need the money if only four put their hands up

Maybe they already have the "pathway"?

[Sturt]

FFSA have offered a U18s (Like a JSL) on a SUnday.......for several years but not many takers so they havent run a competition

Sturt Lions has been pushing for an U18/U19 JSL style competition for 2 years now. The feedback this year from other clubs was that it should be an U20 competition. Every year there are probably around 500-1000 16-18 year old players that are lost to the sport because there is no football pathway for them.

Yes, many of these players are not going to play senior football. However their should be a football pathway for them that leads on to the amateur/collegiate system. There are also late developers or those who need to focus on year 12 or have a hard year at University and need to take a step back for a season. Too many players in this age bracket are lost to the game.

The problem is that the majority of clubs are just not interested in this competition. It needs 8 clubs to support it but in then end only 3 or 4 are willing to support it. We have contacted every senior club several times to try to get this competition up and running. The FFSA will run the competition if there are enough clubs to support it but unfortunately there is not.

I think (he/she) is referring to a mid-age group team. Some players just aren't ready for full blown amateurs at 16-18.

Correct. Sturt run amateur teams. But many of these young players are not ready and just need a couple years to mature and then take the next step to amateurs. That provides a improved pathway for these players to facilitate keeping them in the game.

[fball12]

Amateurs U20 Competition?

Cover the transition from FFSA U16s to U20s (U18s & Reserves) when they leave the game forever in many cases.
Less serious, more fun, less cost compared to FFSA cash cow clubs, less training, etc

Place in the Collegiate or Sat/Sun Amateurs competitions.

From there they can move into the open amateur grades.

[magnet]

Amateurs U20 Competition?

Cover the transition from FFSA U16s to U20s (U18s & Reserves) when they leave the game forever in many cases.
Less serious, more fun, less cost compared to FFSA cash cow clubs, less training, etc

Place in the Collegiate or Sat/Sun Amateurs competitions.

From there they can move into the open amateur grades.

I've already contacted the SAASL and their response was "The League will respond to any serious interest, however for this be viable and affective, the competition would need a minimum of 8 Clubs with a minimum of 20 Players registered per Club."

They are essentially saying the same thing as the FFSA.

[fball12]

Amateurs U20 Competition?

Cover the transition from FFSA U16s to U20s (U18s & Reserves) when they leave the game forever in many cases.
Less serious, more fun, less cost compared to FFSA cash cow clubs, less training, etc

Place in the Collegiate or Sat/Sun Amateurs competitions.

From there they can move into the open amateur grades.

I've already contacted the SAASL and their response was "The League will respond to any serious interest, however for this be viable and affective, the competition would need a minimum of 8 Clubs with a minimum of 20 Players registered per Club."

They are essentially saying the same thing as the FFSA.

Their loss.

[simmo]

The entire system needs a full revamp because it is behind the times. But it is too much work therefore the ffsa are no interested
My thoughts:
Get rid of the skillaroos and go to a real State team. This will immediately improve everything and we will get better players at the end.
U18 under the junior banner. This will give credibility to both U17 and U18.
U21 or U23 in seniors with 3 eligible over age players - win win situation

[God is an Englishman]

Correct. Sturt run amateur teams. But many of these young players are not ready and just need a couple years to mature and then take the next step to amateurs. That provides a improved pathway for these players to facilitate keeping them in the game.

At 17/18, they're not ready to play in the lower divisions of the collegiate league?

[God is an Englishman]

Amateurs U20 Competition?

Cover the transition from FFSA U16s to U20s (U18s & Reserves) when they leave the game forever in many cases.
Less serious, more fun, less cost compared to FFSA cash cow clubs, less training, etc

Place in the Collegiate or Sat/Sun Amateurs competitions.

From there they can move into the open amateur grades.

I've already contacted the SAASL and their response was "The League will respond to any serious interest, however for this be viable and affective, the competition would need a minimum of 8 Clubs with a minimum of 20 Players registered per Club."

They are essentially saying the same thing as the FFSA.

What are they supposed to say?

[fball12]

Correct. Sturt run amateur teams. But many of these young players are not ready and just need a couple years to mature and then take the next step to amateurs. That provides a improved pathway for these players to facilitate keeping them in the game.

At 17/18, they're not ready to play in the lower divisions of the collegiate league?

Not many 17/18 ready to play against those that are 30+ yrs old.

[God is an Englishman]

Correct. Sturt run amateur teams. But many of these young players are not ready and just need a couple years to mature and then take the next step to amateurs. That provides a improved pathway for these players to facilitate keeping them in the game.

At 17/18, they're not ready to play in the lower divisions of the collegiate league?

Not many 17/18 ready to play against those that are 30+ yrs old.

Most should be. I played senior football at 16. I've seen 17 years compete in clubs in Saturday div 1.

What are we raising if they cant compete in collegiate league?

[Pie and Bovril]

Not many 17/18 ready to play against those that are 30+ yrs old.

Most should be. I played senior football at 16. I've seen 17 years compete in clubs in Saturday div 1.

What are we raising if they cant compete in collegiate league?

you were probably a big fat bald Pom at 16 and looked the part.

[God is an Englishman]

Not many 17/18 ready to play against those that are 30+ yrs old.

Most should be. I played senior football at 16. I've seen 17 years compete in clubs in Saturday div 1.

What are we raising if they cant compete in collegiate league?

you were probably a big fat bald Pom at 16 and looked the part.

Quite the opposite, in fact completely the opposite.

Looking the part and being the part are different things.

[fball12]

There are a lot of hacks in the Collegiate & Amateur divisions and that puts off 16-20 yr olds.

I played Sunday Div 2 amateurs at 19 and remember how rough and unskilled some players were and the referees did little to protect the ball players. I would hope its changed for the better.

I still recommend an U20 Amateurs comp to retain young players and supporters of the game in this state.
100's of kids drop out from 15-20 yrs of age and many never come back into amateurs.

[magnet]

There are a lot of hacks in the Collegiate & Amateur divisions and that puts off 16-20 yr olds.

I played Sunday Div 2 amateurs at 19 and remember how rough and unskilled some players were and the referees did little to protect the ball players. I would hope its changed for the better.

I still recommend an U20 Amateurs comp to retain young players and supporters of the game in this state.
100's of kids drop out from 15-20 yrs of age and many never come back into amateurs.

+1

[fball12]

Also needs to be remembered, playing football or any sport for that matter is a social activity.
16-20 yr olds do not want to play with 30+ yr olds.

They are more comfortable playing in a 16-20 age group where they have friends and know other older kids and will enjoy the game.

Hence the need for U20's amateurs.

[simmo]

We need to give players the opportunity to stay at their club for as long as possible. Most don't want to play amateurs at 16-18yrs, playing against 30yr plus players. Players actually want to stay and play for their club for as long as possible. It's usually delusional parents that want their kids to move, because it gives them a better opportunity to play EPL. My son has been at his club for 3 years now and he always says that he will play there till the end.....lets see if he changes his mind once he turns 15???
It is all about players playing the game and enjoying the greatest game in the world for as long as possible.
The reality is 90% of the players coming through the system will not play in the NPL. Therefore the ffsa needs to cater for the majority.
Allow kids to play up until U18 at juniors and you will see the results immediately.

[God is an Englishman]

There are a lot of hacks in the Collegiate & Amateur divisions and that puts off 16-20 yr olds.

I played Sunday Div 2 amateurs at 19 and remember how rough and unskilled some players were and the referees did little to protect the ball players. I would hope its changed for the better.

I still recommend an U20 Amateurs comp to retain young players and supporters of the game in this state.
100's of kids drop out from 15-20 yrs of age and many never come back into amateurs.

All to do with the game not having an Under 20 Comp. Nothing to do with birds, booze and kebabs?

[God is an Englishman]

We need to give players the opportunity to stay at their club for as long as possible. Most don't want to play amateurs at 16-18yrs, playing against 30yr plus players. Players actually want to stay and play for their club for as long as possible. It's usually delusional parents that want their kids to move, because it gives them a better opportunity to play EPL. My son has been at his club for 3 years now and he always says that he will play there till the end.....lets see if he changes his mind once he turns 15???
It is all about players playing the game and enjoying the greatest game in the world for as long as possible.
The reality is 90% of the players coming through the system will not play in the NPL. Therefore the ffsa needs to cater for the majority.
Allow kids to play up until U18 at juniors and you will see the results immediately.

They do that already don't they?

There's an 18's comp, 17's comp, 16's comp...

[fball12]

We need to give players the opportunity to stay at their club for as long as possible. Most don't want to play amateurs at 16-18yrs, playing against 30yr plus players. Players actually want to stay and play for their club for as long as possible. It's usually delusional parents that want their kids to move, because it gives them a better opportunity to play EPL. My son has been at his club for 3 years now and he always says that he will play there till the end.....lets see if he changes his mind once he turns 15???
It is all about players playing the game and enjoying the greatest game in the world for as long as possible.
The reality is 90% of the players coming through the system will not play in the NPL. Therefore the ffsa needs to cater for the majority.
Allow kids to play up until U18 at juniors and you will see the results immediately.

They do that already don't they?

There's an 18's comp, 17's comp, 16's comp...

There's only one 18's or 17's team per club. Plenty of kids get rejected and never play again.

Are you recommending they create more 18's or 17's team per club?