SAASL Affiliation to the FFA/FFSA

[Baresi]

So apart from paying more money per year to play, getting no access to better refs etc, and oh, letting the big FFSA teams have another game in the ffa cup what did the SAASL gain.

For the betterment of the game? Or For the for FFSA clubs. Sounds like horrible negotiations all round.

Watch the fees rise in a few years

I still don't understand why anyone voted yes? Seems like there was a few clubs missing too?

[Flinders SC]

So apart from paying more money per year to play, getting no access to better refs etc, and oh, letting the big FFSA teams have another game in the ffa cup what did the SAASL gain.

For the betterment of the game? Or For the for FFSA clubs. Sounds like horrible negotiations all round.

Watch the fees rise in a few years

I still don't understand why anyone voted yes? Seems like there was a few clubs missing too?

Seemed a lot smaller turnout than the original info session/meeting.

[redfred]

Socceroos game may have kept some away.
Nothing will change initially due to fees staying the same for 2 years. Once those years are over watch the fees go through the roof.

[The Eagle]

Socceroos game may have kept some away.
Nothing will change initially due to fees staying the same for 2 years. Once those years are over watch the fees go through the roof.

Why have to the vote when the national team is playing a knock out WC qualifier, definitely aligning to the FFA, or timing the vote for their own benefit?

[Bomber]

36 yes 14 no

Brexit, Trump, now this. Bookies must be loving it.

[redwin]

Why have to the vote when the national team is playing a knock out WC qualifier, definitely aligning to the FFA, or timing the vote for their own benefit?

SAASL is a rogue organisation. It does not have a National team.

[Mr Red]

SAASL is a rogue organisation. It does not have a National team.

That may not be the case soon though. :wink:

[FoundIt]

overall yes you should - everything included in the bottom line.

but you need to view the operations budget in isolation to determine how well the organisation is functioning.

is it sustainable with the current level of fees paid by clubs, or is the saasl limiting services to clubs to keep the fees low?

Well they could charge everyone $10,000 to register and buy everyone a new stadium. Not having looked at the books I can't say for sure but as long as the outgoings don't exceed the incomings then what's the problem.

Seems like you want SAASL to rob Peter to pay Paul. Why should my club pay extra so your club can have more (or vice versa)?

there is a problem when there is not enough admin support to run the league effectively. registrations, disciplinary issues, training for clubs to ensure they are run effectively, access to grants and support to submit them.

if outgoings do not exceed incomings, that does not ensure everything is ok. That is very naive.
You can just keep eliminating costs like refs, insurance, office supplies and then drop the fees even lower if you like.
That would be better for you and your club - drop off services to the clubs and lower fees?
Your club would not be paying extra, where did you get that from?

[God is an Englishman]

Well we know we will be paying more as we have this ffsa affiliation fee to join an inept organisation. The club will have to pay more for these extra services as the money has to come from somewhere.

[swannsong]

So apart from paying more money per year to play, getting no access to better refs etc, and oh, letting the big FFSA teams have another game in the ffa cup what did the SAASL gain.

For the betterment of the game? Or For the for FFSA clubs. Sounds like horrible negotiations all round.

Watch the fees rise in a few years

I still don't understand why anyone voted yes? Seems like there was a few clubs missing too?

Seemed a lot smaller turnout than the original info session/meeting.

The turnout is different to the number of Voting clubs...some Clubs may have had more than one member present....I thought the SAASL wanted 2 member from each club.
Unfortunately I had an emergency Special Council Meeting (mind it wasn't that Special) to attend...I think we had 2 'Founder Members' from Knights attend.

[haywood djablowme]

Yes Swanny, 2 members were asked to attend but it was only 1 vote per club

[swannsong]

Yes Swanny, 2 members were asked to attend but it was only 1 vote per club

So 50 (financial) Clubs voted....roughly how many people attended ?

[haywood djablowme]

Yes Swanny, 2 members were asked to attend but it was only 1 vote per club

So 50 (financial) Clubs voted....roughly how many people attended ?

Lefty would have a more accurate number mate but I would say 70- 80

[theorakle]

36 yes 14 no

Brexit, Trump, now this. Bookies must be loving it.

if only the money would let brexit and trump do the jobs they were elected BY THE PEOPLE TO DO and give them FAIR GO. they might be ok,they might not. we will never be allowed to know because nobody in power,rich or influential wants to know what us peasants think. NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL.

[The Bourne Legacy]

36 yes 14 no

Brexit, Trump, now this. Bookies must be loving it.

[The Bourne Legacy]

we will never be allowed to know because nobody in power,rich or influential wants to know what us peasants think. NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL.

I am going to call you peasant from now on.

[Baresi]

Socceroos game may have kept some away.
Nothing will change initially due to fees staying the same for 2 years. Once those years are over watch the fees go through the roof.

I think everyone was informed that fees were going up every year for the next 3 years. The 3rd year will see a 50% increase.

[Pooraka Sałt]

Will next season's league structure be affected?

[redfred]

Socceroos game may have kept some away.
Nothing will change initially due to fees staying the same for 2 years. Once those years are over watch the fees go through the roof.

I think everyone was informed that fees were going up every year for the next 3 years. The 3rd year will see a 50% increase.

and the 4th and the 5th etc.
FFSA going to make a fortune out of this in the long run and saasl not going to be able to do much about by then. Will help to pay for more artificial pitches around Adelaide that everyone can hire back from FFSA.

Boat sailed

[swannsong]

Socceroos game may have kept some away.
Nothing will change initially due to fees staying the same for 2 years. Once those years are over watch the fees go through the roof.

I think everyone was informed that fees were going up every year for the next 3 years. The 3rd year will see a 50% increase.

and the 4th and the 5th etc.
FFSA going to make a fortune out of this in the long run and saasl not going to be able to do much about by then. Will help to pay for more artificial pitches around Adelaide that everyone can hire back from FFSA.

Boat sailed

FFSA can't get money if it's not there.....fees go up, numbers drop down...supply and demand principle.....
If it isn't working then SAASL can opt out from under the umbrella and put their waterproof jackets back on.
Who knows...may actually benefit the smaller clubs in finding grounds to play on, start up funding etc...

[Dash Riprock]

Why would the relationship between SAASL and FFSA be any different / worse than the Collegiate deal?
$62.50 fee per player
$150 affiliation fee per team entered.
$90 per game for a ref

That is a bit more than the current SAASL cost of playing but the insurance is better, you don't have a club ref doing the B / C /D grades and other than a harder line on discipline, the local body (in this case SAASL) get to keep their autonomy...
Shouldn't be a big change in cost unless a deal was agreed that didn't take the existing affiliation models into account?

[God is an Englishman]

Why would the relationship between SAASL and FFSA be any different / worse than the Collegiate deal?
$62.50 fee per player
$150 affiliation fee per team entered.
$90 per game for a ref

That is a bit more than the current SAASL cost of playing but the insurance is better, you don't have a club ref doing the B / C /D grades and other than a harder line on discipline, the local body (in this case SAASL) get to keep their autonomy...
Shouldn't be a big change in cost unless a deal was agreed that didn't take the existing affiliation models into account?

Who says you won't have a club ref doing those games? The ref's situation isn't changing. The only major thing that's changing is the fees, more money, same product.

[FoundIt]

Why would the relationship between SAASL and FFSA be any different / worse than the Collegiate deal?
$62.50 fee per player
$150 affiliation fee per team entered.
$90 per game for a ref

That is a bit more than the current SAASL cost of playing but the insurance is better, you don't have a club ref doing the B / C /D grades and other than a harder line on discipline, the local body (in this case SAASL) get to keep their autonomy...
Shouldn't be a big change in cost unless a deal was agreed that didn't take the existing affiliation models into account?

interested to know more about the refereeing you mention. no more club refs?

[Brian the Postman]

Why would the relationship between SAASL and FFSA be any different / worse than the Collegiate deal?
$62.50 fee per player
$150 affiliation fee per team entered.
$90 per game for a ref

That is a bit more than the current SAASL cost of playing but the insurance is better, you don't have a club ref doing the B / C /D grades and other than a harder line on discipline, the local body (in this case SAASL) get to keep their autonomy...
Shouldn't be a big change in cost unless a deal was agreed that didn't take the existing affiliation models into account?

Who says you won't have a club ref doing those games? The ref's situation isn't changing. The only major thing that's changing is the fees, more money, same product.

I still can't believe that people can't see it for the basic fact that it's more money for the same product.

The FFSA aren't going to do anything for the little clubs trying to find grounds/facilities - other than to consider taking their money for the hire of their own facilities.

[swannsong]

Why would the relationship between SAASL and FFSA be any different / worse than the Collegiate deal?
$62.50 fee per player
$150 affiliation fee per team entered.
$90 per game for a ref

That is a bit more than the current SAASL cost of playing but the insurance is better, you don't have a club ref doing the B / C /D grades and other than a harder line on discipline, the local body (in this case SAASL) get to keep their autonomy...
Shouldn't be a big change in cost unless a deal was agreed that didn't take the existing affiliation models into account?

Who says you won't have a club ref doing those games? The ref's situation isn't changing. The only major thing that's changing is the fees, more money, same product.

I still can't believe that people can't see it for the basic fact that it's more money for the same product.

The FFSA aren't going to do anything for the little clubs trying to find grounds/facilities - other than to consider taking their money for the hire of their own facilities.

If you say so !

[Brian the Postman]

Who says you won't have a club ref doing those games? The ref's situation isn't changing. The only major thing that's changing is the fees, more money, same product.

I still can't believe that people can't see it for the basic fact that it's more money for the same product.

The FFSA aren't going to do anything for the little clubs trying to find grounds/facilities - other than to consider taking their money for the hire of their own facilities.

If you say so !

I'm happy to be proven wrong and hope the clubs do get something out of it other than a spot or 2 in the prelim rounds of the cup.

[Dash Riprock]

Having run a club (in the loosest sense!) in both the SAASL and the Collegiate, the increase in cost was / is minor and the support and running of the league is many times better.. You don't have to agree with that but its a fact in our world!
The disciplinary system is many times better, the refereeing situation is many times better (we get refs for D and E grade games - not club refs), the insurance cover for players is many times better and the in all honesty, the influence of the FFSA was subtle and rarely overburdening.
IF the SAASL have gone with a similar model (and why wouldn't they as a minimum), the change will be minor in terms of negatives and the there will be more positives.
The FFSA have been provided more assistance in us finding a new ground than the SAASL or the Collegiate ever could and the administration side has been many times better..
So there are positives.. the FFSA aren't perfect by a long long way but not sure why so much negativity over the affiliation.. The additional cost is minimal unless SAASL has sold their soul to the FFSA which I doubt / hope they haven't.
Change isn't comfortable but its not always a bad thing.... IF the deal turns out to be a pup, then I have no doubt the 'told you so' brigade will find a way of breaking away

[God is an Englishman]

The disciplinary system with ffsa is a joke and even so not being used by saasl.

The refs situation will not change. That's 2 of the 3 reasons you have stated null and void.

I haven't seen either of the insurance policies so don't know. Is that insurance even being used?

[Baresi]

The disciplinary system with ffsa is a joke and even so not being used by saasl.

The refs situation will not change. That's 2 of the 3 reasons you have stated null and void.

I haven't seen either of the insurance policies so don't know. Is that insurance even being used?

I think the SAASL is keeping their own insurance?

In 3 years the rego is going from $40 per player to $70.

[Dash Riprock]

The disciplinary system with ffsa is a joke and even so not being used by saasl.

The refs situation will not change. That's 2 of the 3 reasons you have stated null and void.

I haven't seen either of the insurance policies so don't know. Is that insurance even being used?

Then the SAASL have signed up to a bad deal....
Not sure why you think the disciplinary system is a joke.... worked well from what we have seen and you certainly don't see the BS thats in the SAASL with fingers up arses, mass brawls and the like.....
Also not sure why refs wouldn't be part of the deal unless again they have signed up to a lesser affiliation than the Collegiate?
It is what it is.....