NOC if Big Sam plays 4-2-3-1 , who would play as the striker Rooney or Kane?Nice One Cyril wrote:Note to Sam: That's 'cos he's a forwardMackem Lad wrote:Interesting as he has scored 89 of his 100 goals at Old Trafford from inside the box.........Old Master wrote:I've always seen Rooney's future for England and ManUre as that played so well by Paul Scholes.
They have the same attributes and ability to score from outside the box.
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Long term it would be Sturridge, Kane or perhaps Rashford (given his current form), but short term I'd be perfectly happy to see Shrek up there, he's still a very good forward. Players look good in their club sides, playing a certain way and they get picked for England on that form, yet they're then asked to play a different role under a different system. No bloody wonder some of them look lost.ozzie owl wrote:NOC if Big Sam plays 4-2-3-1 , who would play as the striker Rooney or Kane?
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Why not Vardy?ozzie owl wrote:NOC if Big Sam plays 4-2-3-1 , who would play as the striker Rooney or Kane?
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Bit of a long ball merchant, which you don't get at international level really, plus he's not exactly a spring chicken. OK as a short term though.God is an Englishman wrote:Why not Vardy?ozzie owl wrote:NOC if Big Sam plays 4-2-3-1 , who would play as the striker Rooney or Kane?
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Pick the best player in the position. If he's good enough, he's young enough.Nice One Cyril wrote:Bit of a long ball merchant, which you don't get at international level really, plus he's not exactly a spring chicken. OK as a short term though.God is an Englishman wrote:Why not Vardy?ozzie owl wrote:NOC if Big Sam plays 4-2-3-1 , who would play as the striker Rooney or Kane?
He's 29, Rooney's 30.
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I tend to agree, age shouldn't be a factor, EXCEPT when planning for a tournament 2-4 years away. Has to be a bit of common sense rather than blindly selecting those that did it in the past.God is an Englishman wrote:Pick the best player in the position. If he's good enough, he's young enough.Nice One Cyril wrote:Bit of a long ball merchant, which you don't get at international level really, plus he's not exactly a spring chicken. OK as a short term though.
He's 29, Rooney's 30.
Do you really think Vardy is the best we've got? Reminds me of Darren Bent

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No, I don't think he's the best but he certainly out performed the other strikers in the Euro's.Nice One Cyril wrote:I tend to agree, age shouldn't be a factor, EXCEPT when planning for a tournament 2-4 years away. Has to be a bit of common sense rather than blindly selecting those that did it in the past.God is an Englishman wrote:Pick the best player in the position. If he's good enough, he's young enough.Nice One Cyril wrote:Bit of a long ball merchant, which you don't get at international level really, plus he's not exactly a spring chicken. OK as a short term though.
He's 29, Rooney's 30.
Do you really think Vardy is the best we've got? Reminds me of Darren Bent
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Which is not saying a lot. Personally I've always thought the manager should decide which system he wants to play, then pick the players that suit, not the other way around. Square pegs and all that.God is an Englishman wrote:No, I don't think he's the best but he certainly out performed the other strikers in the Euro's.Nice One Cyril wrote:I tend to agree, age shouldn't be a factor, EXCEPT when planning for a tournament 2-4 years away. Has to be a bit of common sense rather than blindly selecting those that did it in the past.
Do you really think Vardy is the best we've got? Reminds me of Darren Bent
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How many of those would be penalties?Mackem Lad wrote:Interesting as he has scored 89 of his 100 goals at Old Trafford from inside the box.........Old Master wrote:I've always seen Rooney's future for England and ManUre as that played so well by Paul Scholes.
They have the same attributes and ability to score from outside the box.
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If I were Scholes i'd be offended by that comparison.Old Master wrote:
I've always seen Rooney's future for England and ManUre as that played so well by Paul Scholes.
They have the same attributes and ability to score from outside the box.
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Brian the Postman wrote:How many of those would be penalties?Mackem Lad wrote:Interesting as he has scored 89 of his 100 goals at Old Trafford from inside the box.........Old Master wrote:I've always seen Rooney's future for England and ManUre as that played so well by Paul Scholes.
They have the same attributes and ability to score from outside the box.
Rooney has scored 11 goals for ManUre from outside the box, how many has he scored for England?
How many goals has he 'assisted' for both?
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Honestly, you have no idea whatsoever, Harry Kane was the Golden Boot winner.Old Master wrote:Rooney has scored 11 goals for ManUre from outside the box, how many has he scored for England?
How many goals has he 'assisted' for both?
I agree with GAIE (choke) on the choice of Vardy up front, as Rooney could put some excellent balls for him to run on to, plus he was the top goal score in the EPL last season and many pundits claim the EPL is the 'Toughest League In The World'.

Besides which, Rooney plays too deep to play that sort of through ball, all he can do is spread it wide. Besides which, Vardy requires space in behind defenders, something you don't get at international tournaments.
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First squad and promises that everything is going to be different but ends up playing 8 of the 11 that played the last game and we stumble over the line to a boring 1-0 win. Please - I've heard it all before.
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I didn't see MUCH wrong with the team, it was the tactics in the Euro's that baffled me.Old Redback wrote:First squad and promises that everything is going to be different but ends up playing 8 of the 11 that played the last game and we stumble over the line to a boring 1-0 win. Please - I've heard it all before.
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Not sure if Rooney or ScholesGod is an Englishman wrote:I didn't see MUCH wrong with the team, it was the tactics in the Euro's that baffled me.Old Redback wrote:First squad and promises that everything is going to be different but ends up playing 8 of the 11 that played the last game and we stumble over the line to a boring 1-0 win. Please - I've heard it all before.
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You mean like playing a centre forward as a holding midfielder?God is an Englishman wrote:I didn't see MUCH wrong with the team, it was the tactics in the Euro's that baffled me.Old Redback wrote:First squad and promises that everything is going to be different but ends up playing 8 of the 11 that played the last game and we stumble over the line to a boring 1-0 win. Please - I've heard it all before.
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Nice One Cyril wrote:You mean like playing a centre forward as a holding midfielder?God is an Englishman wrote:I didn't see MUCH wrong with the team, it was the tactics in the Euro's that baffled me.Old Redback wrote:First squad and promises that everything is going to be different but ends up playing 8 of the 11 that played the last game and we stumble over the line to a boring 1-0 win. Please - I've heard it all before.
Did everyone miss his performances at the Euro's in that DM role, I thought he was superb during those games.
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God is an Englishman wrote:Nice One Cyril wrote:You mean like playing a centre forward as a holding midfielder?God is an Englishman wrote:I didn't see MUCH wrong with the team, it was the tactics in the Euro's that baffled me.Did everyone miss his performances at the Euro's in that DM role, I thought he was superb during those games.
Hehe, you're getting as bad as JD and OM
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I thought he played well there, mourinho's been playing him there as well. So he must agree with me.
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Really? I thought he slowed the play down, played some nice long balls but also gave it away too often for that position on the pitch and generally hogged the ball rather than moving it on.God is an Englishman wrote:I thought he played well there, mourinho's been playing him there as well. So he must agree with me.
He played like a centre forward playing in midfield for me, he wasn't horrible, but completely ruined the balance of the team and stopped others being able to play their game.
I'm happy for him to play for England, but as a 9 or 10.
A bit different in club football, as you're playing and training with those guys all season long, but it'll be interesting to see if they play him there in their Champions League games
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'Arry may have won the Golden Boot, but that was in the EPL and he had some great, non-English players laying the ball on for him and one English player who didn't get picked for the Euro's.Nice One Cyril wrote:Honestly, you have no idea whatsoever, Harry Kane was the Golden Boot winner.Old Master wrote:Rooney has scored 11 goals for ManUre from outside the box, how many has he scored for England?
How many goals has he 'assisted' for both?
I agree with GAIE (choke) on the choice of Vardy up front, as Rooney could put some excellent balls for him to run on to, plus he was the top goal score in the EPL last season and many pundits claim the EPL is the 'Toughest League In The World'.
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Besides which, Rooney plays too deep to play that sort of through ball, all he can do is spread it wide. Besides which, Vardy requires space in behind defenders, something you don't get at international tournaments.
As for Vardy, he knows how to make the early run better than any other current English player and that works at every level, even EC & WC, as long as there is someone capable of passing the ball accurately from a deep position.
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Against Man City last night Rooney played an excellent game, he was certainly the only ManUre player who gave everything he had all the time he was on the pitch and he created most of their action in front of goal, including their goal.
Joe Hart must have had a good laugh at Bravo's display though.
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So, not in midfield then?Old Master wrote:Against Man City last night Rooney played an excellent game, he was certainly the only ManUre player who gave everything he had all the time he was on the pitch and he created most of their action in front of goal, including their goal.
Joe Hart must have had a good laugh at Bravo's display though.
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Nice One Cyril wrote:So, not in midfield then?Old Master wrote:Against Man City last night Rooney played an excellent game, he was certainly the only ManUre player who gave everything he had all the time he was on the pitch and he created most of their action in front of goal, including their goal.
Joe Hart must have had a good laugh at Bravo's display though.
He was playing right midfield from what I saw
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Joe Hart has his own problems.Old Master wrote:Against Man City last night Rooney played an excellent game, he was certainly the only ManUre player who gave everything he had all the time he was on the pitch and he created most of their action in front of goal, including their goal.
Joe Hart must have had a good laugh at Bravo's display though.
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Might be Dodgy Sam's only England Squad.....
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The thing is this is not BSA's first time but the FA chose to forget about his past dealings at Bolton.
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