where have all the referee's gone

[fossil]

can anyone explain why the refs are at an all time low?

Is it just due to comp expansion or have they been put off and made extinct by crowd haggling?

e&d seems fine saturday but sundays fed they go missing?

[BillShankly]

threads like the deploarable reffin one doesnt help causes either

people have to understand that the referees are out doing the best they can, and without them we would have no games at all.

[mattieg1200]

this is very true... refs get abused too much and wen this happens they want to quit..

[Black_Magick]

they wouldn't get abused if they did a good job....

[johnydep]

they wouldn't get abused if they did a good job....

mmm that is a good theory, bad luck it doesn't hold up.

Yes referees can make wrong decisions but so can players and spectators. It's about time players & thier parents learn the rules before making comments. http://www.ffsa.com.au/refcourse.asp

Classic example; on the weekend our U10 team played, one of players was making a run forward, a striker was calling for the ball in the off-side, the player with the ball did not pass the ball, instead he made a run past the striker & took the shot at goals himself
The coach of the opposition team was screaming his guts out for an off-side free, the ref ignored him.
Later the coach came over and apologised to the ref. One of the coaches parents who was on the line & did not call off-side explained that "it can not be off-side unless the ball is passed to the off-side player".

[BocaChiefs]

Some refs need to be more consistent in their games. I would really like to see what they are taught when they start and what they do for training. Some refs do not have the fitness to run out a game and therefore stay in the centre circle and ref the match from there. If they keep doing this they will get abused becasue you can't see the whole game from there.

I agree we abuse them to much but it's just how people are. If we can help them out it wouldn't be that made.

[Black_Magick]

yo jonny, thats doesn't explain anything the ref didn't make a bad call.... i know the rules i make sure i'm up to date with them so that way i know what to and what not to do (i know my offsides like ronaldinho knows tricks =D)

i don't mind a ref that makes the occasional bad call but not the refferes that keep on doing it over and over again. it just ruins the game.


the ref i had on the weekend stopped play every 40 seconds just bcoz someone goes in ahrd for a 50/50 or a player nudges another player with the ball or a player steps infront of a player and gets kicked and then call a penalty for the player who kicked the other guy.....

thats not the type of refferee i lyk reffing my games

i like the ones that wait and see if there is advantage to be played, one that speaks to the captains if things are getting out of hand and doesn't book the captains for asking simple questions lyk "why wasn't that a foul?"
the ones that use thier linesmen.....

not many of them around.. there should be more of them

[BillShankly]

Keep in mind that some refs have to do 2 or 3 games each sunday, that would tire most out, while you say there unfit, lets see how you go running out that many games in a row.

[BillShankly]

yo jonny, thats doesn't explain anything the ref didn't make a bad call.... i know the rules i make sure i'm up to date with them so that way i know what to and what not to do (i know my offsides like ronaldinho knows tricks =D)

i don't mind a ref that makes the occasional bad call but not the refferes that keep on doing it over and over again. it just ruins the game.


the ref i had on the weekend stopped play every 40 seconds just bcoz someone goes in ahrd for a 50/50 or a player nudges another player with the ball or a player steps infront of a player and gets kicked and then call a penalty for the player who kicked the other guy.....

thats not the type of refferee i lyk reffing my games

i like the ones that wait and see if there is advantage to be played, one that speaks to the captains if things are getting out of hand and doesn't book the captains for asking simple questions lyk "why wasn't that a foul?"
the ones that use thier linesmen.....

not many of them around.. there should be more of them

1) If you know the rules, why dont you ref some games instead of bagging refs and see how you go.

2) Each rule is seen differenly by each person, every time. Everyone has a different interpretation.

[Black_Magick]

no matter how people see the rule its still the same rule and should be followed like it is meant to.... rules are ment to be broken but thats for players not refs, refs are ment to prevent that from happening.....

i am actually going for my reffing license soon enough once i save up enough money....


i just stick with doing the lines when ever i can coz i think some refs need the help

[rooboy1986]

Some refs need to be more consistent in their games. I would really like to see what they are taught when they start and what they do for training. Some refs do not have the fitness to run out a game and therefore stay in the centre circle and ref the match from there. If they keep doing this they will get abused becasue you can't see the whole game from there.

I agree we abuse them to much but it's just how people are. If we can help them out it wouldn't be that made.

Yeah and your view from the sideline is a much better angle especially when you're yelling for the offside on the other side of the park!!!

[BillShankly]

no matter how people see the rule its still the same rule and should be followed like it is meant to.... rules are ment to be broken but thats for players not refs, refs are ment to prevent that from happening.....

i am actually going for my reffing license soon enough once i save up enough money....


i just stick with doing the lines when ever i can coz i think some refs need the help

Even the professional refs dont follow it like its meant to. Its there interpretation, some refs will stop the game, others will play advantage if its there, others will totally ignore it.

Remember some refs are learning the game as well, just like you'll make mistakes with your touch, or missing a pass or goal, they might miss a free kick etc

[John Cena]

no matter how people see the rule its still the same rule and should be followed like it is meant to.... rules are ment to be broken but thats for players not refs, refs are ment to prevent that from happening.....

i am actually going for my reffing license soon enough once i save up enough money....


i just stick with doing the lines when ever i can coz i think some refs need the help

well when you pass your course, lets hope the paperwork has spell check....

[rooboy1986]

yo jonny, thats doesn't explain anything the ref didn't make a bad call.... i know the rules i make sure i'm up to date with them so that way i know what to and what not to do (i know my offsides like ronaldinho knows tricks =D)

i don't mind a ref that makes the occasional bad call but not the refferes that keep on doing it over and over again. it just ruins the game.


the ref i had on the weekend stopped play every 40 seconds just bcoz someone goes in ahrd for a 50/50 or a player nudges another player with the ball or a player steps infront of a player and gets kicked and then call a penalty for the player who kicked the other guy.....

thats not the type of refferee i lyk reffing my games

i like the ones that wait and see if there is advantage to be played, one that speaks to the captains if things are getting out of hand and doesn't book the captains for asking simple questions lyk "why wasn't that a foul?"
the ones that use thier linesmen.....

not many of them around.. there should be more of them

Okay without cheating try this one...

Blue Attacker is in the Red penalty area and is about to kick the ball into an empty net when a Red Substitute runs onto the field and kicks him to the ground...
What do you do as a ref? (besides panic and runaway!!)

P.S. i didn't know the answer myself i just found it on a website... i NEVER claimed to know all the rules you did!!

[BillShankly]

yo jonny, thats doesn't explain anything the ref didn't make a bad call.... i know the rules i make sure i'm up to date with them so that way i know what to and what not to do (i know my offsides like ronaldinho knows tricks =D)

i don't mind a ref that makes the occasional bad call but not the refferes that keep on doing it over and over again. it just ruins the game.


the ref i had on the weekend stopped play every 40 seconds just bcoz someone goes in ahrd for a 50/50 or a player nudges another player with the ball or a player steps infront of a player and gets kicked and then call a penalty for the player who kicked the other guy.....

thats not the type of refferee i lyk reffing my games

i like the ones that wait and see if there is advantage to be played, one that speaks to the captains if things are getting out of hand and doesn't book the captains for asking simple questions lyk "why wasn't that a foul?"
the ones that use thier linesmen.....

not many of them around.. there should be more of them

Okay without cheating try this one...

Blue Attacker is in the Red penalty area and is about to kick the ball into an empty net when a Red Substitute runs onto the field and kicks him to the ground...
What do you do as a ref? (besides panic and runaway!!)

P.S. i didn't know the answer myself i just found it on a website... i NEVER claimed to know all the rules you did!!

Hmm. Well depends on the reaction after the incident, you might need to call off the game if sparks an all in brawl. Otherwise you would award a penalty, send off the substitute (red card), address the issue with the coach and the ground steward to ensure it doesnt happen and continue the match.

[johnydep]

yo jonny, thats doesn't explain anything the ref didn't make a bad call....

That's right, the ref made the correct decision.

But half the opposition teams spectators walked away under the perception that the ref "didn't do a good job"!

[Black_Magick]

u only said the coach and to me it says the coach is a noob

[Black_Magick]

yo jonny, thats doesn't explain anything the ref didn't make a bad call.... i know the rules i make sure i'm up to date with them so that way i know what to and what not to do (i know my offsides like ronaldinho knows tricks =D)

i don't mind a ref that makes the occasional bad call but not the refferes that keep on doing it over and over again. it just ruins the game.


the ref i had on the weekend stopped play every 40 seconds just bcoz someone goes in ahrd for a 50/50 or a player nudges another player with the ball or a player steps infront of a player and gets kicked and then call a penalty for the player who kicked the other guy.....

thats not the type of refferee i lyk reffing my games

i like the ones that wait and see if there is advantage to be played, one that speaks to the captains if things are getting out of hand and doesn't book the captains for asking simple questions lyk "why wasn't that a foul?"
the ones that use thier linesmen.....

not many of them around.. there should be more of them

Okay without cheating try this one...

Blue Attacker is in the Red penalty area and is about to kick the ball into an empty net when a Red Substitute runs onto the field and kicks him to the ground...
What do you do as a ref? (besides panic and runaway!!)

P.S. i didn't know the answer myself i just found it on a website... i NEVER claimed to know all the rules you did!!

LOL thats a funny one at first i thort it was an offside thing lol

well i would blow the whistle 3 times like all refs doo jump straight into the middlr of it so break anything up b4 it escalates anymore than it is...... red card the sub award penalty if it gets out of hand call game off and talk to coaches or even do both......


or do what the woeful refs would do and award penalty to red team -.-

[Black_Magick]

no matter how people see the rule its still the same rule and should be followed like it is meant to.... rules are ment to be broken but thats for players not refs, refs are ment to prevent that from happening.....

i am actually going for my reffing license soon enough once i save up enough money....


i just stick with doing the lines when ever i can coz i think some refs need the help

well when you pass your course, lets hope the paperwork has spell check....

why issert alwaiis about the spelling of words its the freaking internet no one cares how you spell words its not asif i'm sending e-mail to bill gates telling him what a good job he is doing keeping every website in good spelling condition.......

[johnydep]

u only said the coach and to me it says the coach is a noob

It only takes one person that thinks they know the rules better than anyone else, to put false ideas into people heads

[Black_Magick]

u only said the coach and to me it says the coach is a noob

It only takes one person that thinks they know the rules better than anyone else, to put false ideas into people heads

but it takes 2 to tango

[rooboy1986]

yo jonny, thats doesn't explain anything the ref didn't make a bad call.... i know the rules i make sure i'm up to date with them so that way i know what to and what not to do (i know my offsides like ronaldinho knows tricks =D)

i don't mind a ref that makes the occasional bad call but not the refferes that keep on doing it over and over again. it just ruins the game.


the ref i had on the weekend stopped play every 40 seconds just bcoz someone goes in ahrd for a 50/50 or a player nudges another player with the ball or a player steps infront of a player and gets kicked and then call a penalty for the player who kicked the other guy.....

thats not the type of refferee i lyk reffing my games

i like the ones that wait and see if there is advantage to be played, one that speaks to the captains if things are getting out of hand and doesn't book the captains for asking simple questions lyk "why wasn't that a foul?"
the ones that use thier linesmen.....

not many of them around.. there should be more of them

Okay without cheating try this one...

Blue Attacker is in the Red penalty area and is about to kick the ball into an empty net when a Red Substitute runs onto the field and kicks him to the ground...
What do you do as a ref? (besides panic and runaway!!)

P.S. i didn't know the answer myself i just found it on a website... i NEVER claimed to know all the rules you did!!

LOL thats a funny one at first i thort it was an offside thing lol

well i would blow the whistle 3 times like all refs doo jump straight into the middlr of it so break anything up b4 it escalates anymore than it is...... red card the sub award penalty if it gets out of hand call game off and talk to coaches or even do both......


or do what the woeful refs would do and award penalty to red team -.-

I think you should go back and study your laws of the game... (as should i to be honest!!!)

Try again....

[Black_Magick]

yo jonny, thats doesn't explain anything the ref didn't make a bad call.... i know the rules i make sure i'm up to date with them so that way i know what to and what not to do (i know my offsides like ronaldinho knows tricks =D)

i don't mind a ref that makes the occasional bad call but not the refferes that keep on doing it over and over again. it just ruins the game.


the ref i had on the weekend stopped play every 40 seconds just bcoz someone goes in ahrd for a 50/50 or a player nudges another player with the ball or a player steps infront of a player and gets kicked and then call a penalty for the player who kicked the other guy.....

thats not the type of refferee i lyk reffing my games

i like the ones that wait and see if there is advantage to be played, one that speaks to the captains if things are getting out of hand and doesn't book the captains for asking simple questions lyk "why wasn't that a foul?"
the ones that use thier linesmen.....

not many of them around.. there should be more of them

Okay without cheating try this one...

Blue Attacker is in the Red penalty area and is about to kick the ball into an empty net when a Red Substitute runs onto the field and kicks him to the ground...
What do you do as a ref? (besides panic and runaway!!)

P.S. i didn't know the answer myself i just found it on a website... i NEVER claimed to know all the rules you did!!

LOL thats a funny one at first i thort it was an offside thing lol

well i would blow the whistle 3 times like all refs doo jump straight into the middlr of it so break anything up b4 it escalates anymore than it is...... red card the sub award penalty if it gets out of hand call game off and talk to coaches or even do both......


or do what the woeful refs would do and award penalty to red team -.-

I think you should go back and study your laws of the game... (as should i to be honest!!!)

Try again....

i don't feel like it

[rooboy1986]

yo jonny, thats doesn't explain anything the ref didn't make a bad call.... i know the rules i make sure i'm up to date with them so that way i know what to and what not to do (i know my offsides like ronaldinho knows tricks =D)

i don't mind a ref that makes the occasional bad call but not the refferes that keep on doing it over and over again. it just ruins the game.


the ref i had on the weekend stopped play every 40 seconds just bcoz someone goes in ahrd for a 50/50 or a player nudges another player with the ball or a player steps infront of a player and gets kicked and then call a penalty for the player who kicked the other guy.....

thats not the type of refferee i lyk reffing my games

i like the ones that wait and see if there is advantage to be played, one that speaks to the captains if things are getting out of hand and doesn't book the captains for asking simple questions lyk "why wasn't that a foul?"
the ones that use thier linesmen.....

not many of them around.. there should be more of them

Okay without cheating try this one...

Blue Attacker is in the Red penalty area and is about to kick the ball into an empty net when a Red Substitute runs onto the field and kicks him to the ground...
What do you do as a ref? (besides panic and runaway!!)

P.S. i didn't know the answer myself i just found it on a website... i NEVER claimed to know all the rules you did!!

LOL thats a funny one at first i thort it was an offside thing lol

well i would blow the whistle 3 times like all refs doo jump straight into the middlr of it so break anything up b4 it escalates anymore than it is...... red card the sub award penalty if it gets out of hand call game off and talk to coaches or even do both......


or do what the woeful refs would do and award penalty to red team -.-

I think you should go back and study your laws of the game... (as should i to be honest!!!)

Try again....

i don't feel like it

Well then stop talking yourself up, i think you owe those poor refs an apology... BTW: Indirect FK restart... that's what i read anyway so i assume it's true, it was on the internet so it has to be!!

[Black_Magick]

yo jonny, thats doesn't explain anything the ref didn't make a bad call.... i know the rules i make sure i'm up to date with them so that way i know what to and what not to do (i know my offsides like ronaldinho knows tricks =D)

i don't mind a ref that makes the occasional bad call but not the refferes that keep on doing it over and over again. it just ruins the game.


the ref i had on the weekend stopped play every 40 seconds just bcoz someone goes in ahrd for a 50/50 or a player nudges another player with the ball or a player steps infront of a player and gets kicked and then call a penalty for the player who kicked the other guy.....

thats not the type of refferee i lyk reffing my games

i like the ones that wait and see if there is advantage to be played, one that speaks to the captains if things are getting out of hand and doesn't book the captains for asking simple questions lyk "why wasn't that a foul?"
the ones that use thier linesmen.....

not many of them around.. there should be more of them

Okay without cheating try this one...

Blue Attacker is in the Red penalty area and is about to kick the ball into an empty net when a Red Substitute runs onto the field and kicks him to the ground...
What do you do as a ref? (besides panic and runaway!!)

P.S. i didn't know the answer myself i just found it on a website... i NEVER claimed to know all the rules you did!!

LOL thats a funny one at first i thort it was an offside thing lol

well i would blow the whistle 3 times like all refs doo jump straight into the middlr of it so break anything up b4 it escalates anymore than it is...... red card the sub award penalty if it gets out of hand call game off and talk to coaches or even do both......


or do what the woeful refs would do and award penalty to red team -.-

I think you should go back and study your laws of the game... (as should i to be honest!!!)

Try again....

i don't feel like it

Well then stop talking yourself up, i think you owe those poor refs an apology... BTW: Indirect FK restart... that's what i read anyway so i assume it's true, it was on the internet so it has to be!!

no red card for the sub?

[rooboy1986]

Okay without cheating try this one...

Blue Attacker is in the Red penalty area and is about to kick the ball into an empty net when a Red Substitute runs onto the field and kicks him to the ground...
What do you do as a ref? (besides panic and runaway!!)

P.S. i didn't know the answer myself i just found it on a website... i NEVER claimed to know all the rules you did!!

LOL thats a funny one at first i thort it was an offside thing lol

well i would blow the whistle 3 times like all refs doo jump straight into the middlr of it so break anything up b4 it escalates anymore than it is...... red card the sub award penalty if it gets out of hand call game off and talk to coaches or even do both......


or do what the woeful refs would do and award penalty to red team -.-

I think you should go back and study your laws of the game... (as should i to be honest!!!)

Try again....

i don't feel like it

Well then stop talking yourself up, i think you owe those poor refs an apology... BTW: Indirect FK restart... that's what i read anyway so i assume it's true, it was on the internet so it has to be!!

no red card for the sub?

Yes, i don't think that needs to be said really...

Okay, same question what would you do if a spectator came onto the field and took out the striker?

[MegaBonus]

im happy to announce that gleeson college and the FFSA (matt cream) will be conducting an entry level course for a group of 20 students who are part of the footballing program there.

these students will then be able to take junior games at their respective clubs and be paid for it instead of pushing trolleys or flipping burgers!!!

another great initiative!!!!!!!

[mattieg1200]

yer 30th of may i think.. evry1 got an email bout id didnt they ??

i think refs do a hell of a good job jus leave them alone.. abbuse them so much why dont u grab a whistle and give it a go.. i think ot !!!! it doesnt matter what decison u mkae as a ref its always wrong because ppl see things different..

[Gattuso 08]

yer 30th of may i think.. evry1 got an email bout id didnt they ??

i think refs do a hell of a good job jus leave them alone.. abbuse them so much why dont u grab a whistle and give it a go.. i think ot !!!! it doesnt matter what decison u mkae as a ref its always wrong because ppl see things different..

Yea you got a good point there, but how about that ref Rico, he is an actual shocker, ill have to say the best ref out there, I'm not sure if he does 19's+ but Tim Peacock.. BRILLIANT REF

[johnydep]

yer 30th of may i think.. evry1 got an email bout id didnt they ??

....

Yes, I did and I'm going to do the level 5.

I also organised for Matthew Cream to come to the club and give all the junior & thier parents a seesion on Laws of the Game

An opportunity exists for Clubs, Schools or any sporting groups wishing to gain a better understanding of the Laws of Football. Our objective is to teach the Laws of the Game to as many coaches, players, parents and supporters of our wonderful evolving game.

These sessions are presented by Qualified Referees/Instructors and cater for all ages.
Working within the established guidelines of the Football Federation Australia National Referee Development Schedule these short courses of up to 2 hours can be tailored to your individual needs.

Suggested subjects for discussion;
Basic knowledge of the Laws
Offside
Law changes for season 2007
Player,Coach & Referees Code of Conduct
Occupational Health and Safety issues,
Players equipment
Dispensary Procedures (DC)
Fouls & Misconduct Offences and Match Reports.
Club Assistant Referee duties

These sessions can be arrange at a suitable time at your clubrooms or suitable venue (A TV & DVD player, whiteboard would be appreciated)

For details on this program Contact Steve Gregan at FFSA on 08 8340 2889
Email matthew.cream@ffsa.com.au

Football Federation SA

Will be conducting a
Level 5 Referee Course
Introduction to Laws, Interpretations and Officiating

Function Room
Santos Stadium
145 Railway Terrace
Mile End

Wednesday Nights 30th May
6th 13th & 20th June 2007
6.00pm - 8.00pm
COST $60
Includes Laws of the Game, Workbook
& Handouts

Contact Matthew Cream
Referee Development Officer
Football Federation SA Tel 08 8354 1422
Email matthew.cream@ffsa.com.au
Website http://www.ffsa.com.au

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