Are we that far behind
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Are we that far behind
ON sunday afternoon i was watchin thw wolrd gaem on Sbs, they had a junior coach on from PSG in france. He was here to coach some junior teams and to show them how to better their game. After SBS showed the footage of the training, they interview the coach, he said that the Austrlians ( 15 stae team from NSW) he coached are at least 5 years behind his team in in france, i was just wonderin, if people now what we need in the country and state, to get to the level of the Europeans. I think we need something sooner rather than later, to became a country that is recognised for producing more talent.
"We've got nothing to lose, and there's no point losing this game."- Bobby Robson
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the juggler
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Yep, we really are that far behind. Look at all the energy spent on this site over boycotting the Advertiser because of a lack of coverage. What people really should be doing is using that energy to ensure that Soccer from say Under 6's upwards is managed and looked after in a far more proffesional way. And for as long as "unqualified " parents are coaching, the improvement in players will always be compromised. However, it's all we have and to be honest I don't think there are any quick fixes and no matter how much we carry on about media coverage nothing will really change until the quality of our soccer does too. Hey, only an opinion, I can't offer much in the way of solutions either except the point I make about the standard of coaching. No offence meant to the thousands of volunteer coaches out there. Last word from me...WHO COACHES THE COACHES at Club level? 
sc1 u mentioned u6's and now i realise that overseas they have kids trialing for big clubs at the age of 7, hu are better than most of the 14 15 year old we have out here. To become a serious footballing nation we need to gfilter and sort out the quality at a young age. 
"We've got nothing to lose, and there's no point losing this game."- Bobby Robson
That is very true rabbit, but if you ask any player we dont have anything here to keep the players from goin oversea to bigger and better things. Another thing the A -league needs to develop a junior system, that would keep players here for a longer period
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harrycripps
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Exactly the point I tried to make in my thread FFSA V E &DJSA.
If we want to nurture talented kids at an early age, they need accessibility to the best coaches and the best football environment available.
There is a huge division in football ideology in SA, in particular between FFSA and E&DJSA.
Loads of talented kids from E&D, cannot try out their skills with FFSA teams, through fear of expulsion from their own association.
Until these two associations understand that their rules , constitutions and bye-laws, (not allowing kids to play for both associations), are regressive, and are exclusive and not inclusive, they run the risk of not only not acting in the best interests of all the kids, which I believe is what they are obliged to do by law, but also they could destroy all the good work done previously.
Whilst the Football Federation of Australia does not have a policy for success, the French, Dutch etc. at least speak in tongue.
If we want to nurture talented kids at an early age, they need accessibility to the best coaches and the best football environment available.
There is a huge division in football ideology in SA, in particular between FFSA and E&DJSA.
Loads of talented kids from E&D, cannot try out their skills with FFSA teams, through fear of expulsion from their own association.
Until these two associations understand that their rules , constitutions and bye-laws, (not allowing kids to play for both associations), are regressive, and are exclusive and not inclusive, they run the risk of not only not acting in the best interests of all the kids, which I believe is what they are obliged to do by law, but also they could destroy all the good work done previously.
Whilst the Football Federation of Australia does not have a policy for success, the French, Dutch etc. at least speak in tongue.
There's an excellent discussion going on in http://www.footballnews.com.au/forum/vi ... hp?t=11812
Have a read of Possess the Ball - A New Philosophy http://www.theworldgame.com.au/opinions ... 5642&ct=33
And most importantly watch the video: Player Development Philosophy http://www.streamingsportsnet.com/gasoccer.html
Once you've done that lets discuss why our kids are not playing at the same level as the kids in some other countries.
P.S. How many coaches, Junior Co-ordinators, trainers, managers, etc went to the free Horst Wein seminar?
http://www.footballnews.com.au/forum/vi ... horst+wein
Have a read of Possess the Ball - A New Philosophy http://www.theworldgame.com.au/opinions ... 5642&ct=33
And most importantly watch the video: Player Development Philosophy http://www.streamingsportsnet.com/gasoccer.html
Once you've done that lets discuss why our kids are not playing at the same level as the kids in some other countries.
P.S. How many coaches, Junior Co-ordinators, trainers, managers, etc went to the free Horst Wein seminar?
http://www.footballnews.com.au/forum/vi ... horst+wein
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Barney Rubble
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Absolutely agree Johnny Depp, watched that clip from http://www.streamingsportsnet.com/gasoccer.html and was well impressed. Need to work out how to get it onto a DVD and hand it out to a few parents. 
It covers some great aspects but for those of you who make the time (it goes for about 30 minutes) please sit back look and listen and you WILL learn.
It covers some great aspects but for those of you who make the time (it goes for about 30 minutes) please sit back look and listen and you WILL learn.
I'm doing that right now.Barney Rubble wrote:Absolutely agree Johnny Depp, watched that clip from http://www.streamingsportsnet.com/gasoccer.html and was well impressed. Need to work out how to get it onto a DVD and hand it out to a few parents.
It covers some great aspects but for those of you who make the time (it goes for about 30 minutes) please sit back look and listen and you WILL learn.
First it has to be converted to PAL format.
Might organise a parents information night, play it at the club & have a discussion forum.
sc1 wrote:Yep, we really are that far behind. Look at all the energy spent on this site over boycotting the Advertiser because of a lack of coverage. What people really should be doing is using that energy to ensure that Soccer from say Under 6's upwards is managed and looked after in a far more proffesional way. And for as long as "unqualified " parents are coaching, the improvement in players will always be compromised. However, it's all we have and to be honest I don't think there are any quick fixes and no matter how much we carry on about media coverage nothing will really change until the quality of our soccer does too. Hey, only an opinion, I can't offer much in the way of solutions either except the point I make about the standard of coaching. No offence meant to the thousands of volunteer coaches out there. Last word from me...WHO COACHES THE COACHES at Club level?
Excellent question by sc1 (highlighted). I know Modbury are looking at appointing a Junior Coaching Co-ordinator to (among other things) improve the quality of coaches. I for one, want to improve as a Coach (Youth Licence at this stage), so I hope it's sooner rather than later.
The big question is.... Who is out there that is qualified enough to do it?
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This is an interesting dicussion but one thing that people are ignoring is that kids play for different reasons and we need to provide an environment for the different levels to stay in the game.
Not every player in the state is going to be a professional player, there are thousands of kids who play the game for "FUN" and I see no reason to not support this group of players.
I see a progression of players from E&D style competitions across the state to a more professional stage with formal alliances between the clubs at both levels to help foster the talent identification and development process. The long tern vision of the game has been spelled out many times in the national reports that have been done, and there is nothing new in my thoughts. By all means have talent identification programs and development squads but do not through out the rest as if they are not worthy.
Taking the specific issue of the French into consideration it is interesting to note that their "improvement" at the national level has been driven by an Algerian and a whole swag of players from other African nations.
Not every player in the state is going to be a professional player, there are thousands of kids who play the game for "FUN" and I see no reason to not support this group of players.
I see a progression of players from E&D style competitions across the state to a more professional stage with formal alliances between the clubs at both levels to help foster the talent identification and development process. The long tern vision of the game has been spelled out many times in the national reports that have been done, and there is nothing new in my thoughts. By all means have talent identification programs and development squads but do not through out the rest as if they are not worthy.
Taking the specific issue of the French into consideration it is interesting to note that their "improvement" at the national level has been driven by an Algerian and a whole swag of players from other African nations.
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the juggler
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Nobody was talking about every player in the State becoming a professional. I was never really a professional but still loved every minute of soccer I played and wouldn't swap all of those memories....and the same should apply now. One consideration is that kids have to find their own level and then give it their very best effort. Who cares if they don't "make it "as long as they enjoy it. Their best should always be seen as good enough! I've coached for 5 years and seen some great kids and like to think I have helped them along the way with my methods along with their other coaches. Variety in coaching is extremely important to the development of kids especially at a young age. But are we all aiming for the same goal and do we all understand what is required to truly develop those genuinely talented kids? I'm not so sure if we are all whistling the same tune but would like to think that we are trying. 
finaly people all going in one direction development for the kids is what its about.
I don't think they should be looking just at the top end or future stars but at making the players good enough that when they reach 12 or older that they can hold there own and enjoy the game.
How many kids in the e&d system or any other for that matter get turned off by not being quite as good or find the training and play to hard or technical.
first give them the tools and then they can decide how far they want to go after all they may dream of playing for some great club and who of us has the right to deny them of the ability.
Information should always be gained from all competitions year in year out, by developing coaches and players, after all how may have been taught by the the best of an era who has now moved on.
I don't think they should be looking just at the top end or future stars but at making the players good enough that when they reach 12 or older that they can hold there own and enjoy the game.
How many kids in the e&d system or any other for that matter get turned off by not being quite as good or find the training and play to hard or technical.
first give them the tools and then they can decide how far they want to go after all they may dream of playing for some great club and who of us has the right to deny them of the ability.
Information should always be gained from all competitions year in year out, by developing coaches and players, after all how may have been taught by the the best of an era who has now moved on.
When i said on another topic that in europe clubs select the most talented kids form about age of 6, people were making sarcastic coments.
i have seen a brazilian coach who said he can look at a 5 year old kid and tell if he has got that something.
i know for a fact that in germany they select the most talentd 5 and 6 year olds and train them 3, 4 times a week plus games on the weekend against other top teams in their age groups.
No wonder we are years behind top nations in the world.
i have seen a brazilian coach who said he can look at a 5 year old kid and tell if he has got that something.
i know for a fact that in germany they select the most talentd 5 and 6 year olds and train them 3, 4 times a week plus games on the weekend against other top teams in their age groups.
No wonder we are years behind top nations in the world.
I come from the other side of town and therefore do not know about E&D.
What we have is Southern Districts Junior Soccer Association which runs the school soccer competitions from Anzac Hwy through to Morphett Vale.
Each age level from Under 8's through to Senior Primary has between 40-50 teams spread over a number of divisions.
The players involved simply have to be part of one of the schools that put a team in (both State and Private schools).
Children are playing both Club (federation) and school soccer.
SDJSA runs coaching courses for parents that are willing to put their hands up and referee courses as well (all at no charge).
I have coached for the last 4 years in this competition and am incredibly thrilled to say that this year 5 of my kids have moved to club soccer - having developed the confidence though playing for fun at school.
In addition, I had one lad who was having his confidence sapped though an ordinary club coach (in a very strong team) who was able to improve his game by the confidence he received playing with his mates in the school comp.
Therefore I see the ability to play both as very important. Of my Senior Primary team from last year 9 are now playing club soccer at 5 different federation clubs (including one womans team).....its got to be good for the sport.
As they are all hitting high school this year I continue to follow all of them and encourage their further development.
What we have is Southern Districts Junior Soccer Association which runs the school soccer competitions from Anzac Hwy through to Morphett Vale.
Each age level from Under 8's through to Senior Primary has between 40-50 teams spread over a number of divisions.
The players involved simply have to be part of one of the schools that put a team in (both State and Private schools).
Children are playing both Club (federation) and school soccer.
SDJSA runs coaching courses for parents that are willing to put their hands up and referee courses as well (all at no charge).
I have coached for the last 4 years in this competition and am incredibly thrilled to say that this year 5 of my kids have moved to club soccer - having developed the confidence though playing for fun at school.
In addition, I had one lad who was having his confidence sapped though an ordinary club coach (in a very strong team) who was able to improve his game by the confidence he received playing with his mates in the school comp.
Therefore I see the ability to play both as very important. Of my Senior Primary team from last year 9 are now playing club soccer at 5 different federation clubs (including one womans team).....its got to be good for the sport.
As they are all hitting high school this year I continue to follow all of them and encourage their further development.
i have just read comments about not all players wanting to be professionals, but if we have coaching at high levels in this country don't you think we will get players at younger ages, playing higher quality football. And even if hey dont want to play professional they will have a great football knowledge.
"We've got nothing to lose, and there's no point losing this game."- Bobby Robson
toon man could not agree more which is why the ffsa need to address the problem.
with the sanfl, afl and auskick they address the junior qualities required that currently lack in the ffa system.
if the ffa addresses the junior system as they did with the crawford reports to develop the afl and A league as it stands today the future will be very bright.
this will then lead to as you have stated a higher quality player but also a comp with greater knowledge and wisdom
with the sanfl, afl and auskick they address the junior qualities required that currently lack in the ffa system.
if the ffa addresses the junior system as they did with the crawford reports to develop the afl and A league as it stands today the future will be very bright.
this will then lead to as you have stated a higher quality player but also a comp with greater knowledge and wisdom
At Metrostars they have Brenton Heirn and Ernie Longo in that role.sc1 wrote:Yep, we really are that far behind. Look at all the energy spent on this site over boycotting the Advertiser because of a lack of coverage. What people really should be doing is using that energy to ensure that Soccer from say Under 6's upwards is managed and looked after in a far more proffesional way. And for as long as "unqualified " parents are coaching, the improvement in players will always be compromised. However, it's all we have and to be honest I don't think there are any quick fixes and no matter how much we carry on about media coverage nothing will really change until the quality of our soccer does too. Hey, only an opinion, I can't offer much in the way of solutions either except the point I make about the standard of coaching. No offence meant to the thousands of volunteer coaches out there. Last word from me...WHO COACHES THE COACHES at Club level?
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simple sollution, get a junior A-League comp going. I read in the advertiser today that this is beggining to happen and that there will be a junior A-league in the coming years (it specifically says next year but i highly doubt that) Because the A-League clubs have a significant amount of money they should be able to put the appropriate talent identification measures in place, also they can employ good quality coaches, therefore the kids will become much better players. I wish the FFA got their act together quicker so that i could have had these opportunities that 12-13 year old kids will probably be getting in a few years time. As for some one my age (15 turning 16), to make it pro you either have to know people in the federation and make state/sasi etc. or go overseas, and not every player gets these opportunities.
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fb4e couldnt agree more, but since the inception of the A league the juniors have been coming next year! but the problem early was all parties not going in the same direction and the job being too big for the CEO's etc,
after all they have only now just appointed junior development officer! so what chance has a player got that who's 13 -14 by the time its right they will be ready for seniors
after all they have only now just appointed junior development officer! so what chance has a player got that who's 13 -14 by the time its right they will be ready for seniors