Junior trials discussion -

[Mrs Red]

Raiders is hardly the model club for junior development when they resort to targetting good players from other clubs and then send them an invitation to trial.

An "invitation." Really?

Let's just call it for what it is. Poaching.

For a club with highly credentialed coaches, it's a shame they don't scout the worst performers from each club, and give them a development opportunity instead. Just imagine how much those kids would learn.

But no, at the end of the day it's not really about development. It's only about building winning teams.[/quote]


Well said "Messenger" you hae hit the nail on the head!

If their so called development program was so good they wouldn't be needing to approach any other club for players because they would have all the best players already!!! But no they come knocking on the door of other clubs best players trying to entice them over - and that is a fact! What Raiders are doing is untested. It might not work for them in the long run!

Trials are only used when there is more players wanting a spot in a club than there are spots available. The JSL structure needs revisiting and clubs need to get more geared up to help all players who want to play - play regardless of their ability. The elite structure can only cater for a certain number but if we want football to continue to grow we must embrace everybody no matter how goo they are the opportunity to play this wonderful game.

[matty2323]

Well said "Messenger" you hae hit the nail on the head!

If their so called development program was so good they wouldn't be needing to approach any other club for players because they would have all the best players already!!! But no they come knocking on the door of other clubs best players trying to entice them over - and that is a fact! What Raiders are doing is untested. It might not work for them in the long run!

Trials are only used when there is more players wanting a spot in a club than there are spots available. The JSL structure needs revisiting and clubs need to get more geared up to help all players who want to play - play regardless of their ability. The elite structure can only cater for a certain number but if we want football to continue to grow we must embrace everybody no matter how goo they are the opportunity to play this wonderful game.

I think this is where the animosity between federation and amateurs hurts the game. if you want to play football, then amateurs is the pathway (social). if you want to be a footballer, then federation is the pathway (elite). Better relations between the two could really enhance these pathways and ensure kids are getting into the right pathways at the right age.

[redfred]

if you want to play football, then amateurs is the pathway (social). if you want to be a footballer, then federation is the pathway (elite).

surely your having a laugh. plenty of federation footballers playing state league wouldn't get a look in at the stronger amateur clubs. So your classifying Gawler, Demons, eastern, Mount barker, vipers as elite. I'm sure some teams who play football would smash these elite footballers. your sounding like a snob

[matty2323]

if you want to play football, then amateurs is the pathway (social). if you want to be a footballer, then federation is the pathway (elite).

surely your having a laugh. plenty of federation footballers playing state league wouldn't get a look in at the stronger amateur clubs. So your classifying Gawler, Demons, eastern, Mount barker, vipers as elite. I'm sure some teams who play football would smash these elite footballers. your sounding like a snob

Im generalising the standard of course, and also talking about juniors. You've picked 5 junior clubs there without any full junior JPL programs. At senior level, im sure there are plenty of Amateur clubs that would beat those teams mentioned. But majority of those teams are also made up of ex federation players.

[Stich This]

Raiders is hardly the model club for junior development when they resort to targetting good players from other clubs and then send them an invitation to trial.

An "invitation." Really?

Let's just call it for what it is. Poaching.

For a club with highly credentialed coaches, it's a shame they don't scout the worst performers from each club, and give them a development opportunity instead. Just imagine how much those kids would learn.

But no, at the end of the day it's not really about development. It's only about building winning teams.

Well said "Messenger" you hae hit the nail on the head!

If their so called development program was so good they wouldn't be needing to approach any other club for players because they would have all the best players already!!! But no they come knocking on the door of other clubs best players trying to entice them over - and that is a fact! What Raiders are doing is untested. It might not work for them in the long run!

Trials are only used when there is more players wanting a spot in a club than there are spots available. The JSL structure needs revisiting and clubs need to get more geared up to help all players who want to play - play regardless of their ability. The elite structure can only cater for a certain number but if we want football to continue to grow we must embrace everybody no matter how goo they are the opportunity to play this wonderful game.[/quote]
Correct weight and all clear!
Careful the FFSA /Raiders/Metro consortium don't blacklist you now for calling their
bluff. The untouchable RA is not looking so good these days as
the Skillaroos are losing players who will no longer accept the bluff.
Just last week they were phoning clubs looking for players to try out for the skillaroos.
Forget it.

[gazza]

In the interest of fairness, I think that forum members who come on here, and mention other clubs by name for supposedely engaging in less than proper practices, should also state their club affiliation.

[N5 1BH]

In the interest of fairness, I think that forum members who come on here, and mention other clubs by name for supposedely engaging in less than proper practices, should also state their club affiliation.

Or members of said clubs could come on and confirm or deny that they approached juniors registered with fellow clubs within the FFSA JPL development system to replace their own juniors. No club affiliation. just a parent and paying customer.

[magnet]

Totally agree with the problems due to trialing in late Sept.
Mount Barker will trial in mid October for its Junior JSL teams on the weekends to give anyone who fancies a go the opportunity....
Its an attempt to be sensible but has its downside too in terms of some kids signing up early elsewhere....
Mount Barker also has a version of the E&D teams in the AHJSA league which lets ANY junior of any ability to play at the club regardless and gets the local kids playing soccer full stop with no trials and no 'invitations'!
Kids should have an option to just play but the bigger clubs have a different agenda and they all suffer from 'keeping up with the Jones' ...... The number of club having trials on the same dates / week in September is mental... Wont change anytime soon unless the FFSA creates a policy (and they haven't a great track record getting something through that the big guns agree on).

Don't Mount Barker have to field JPL teams?

It's a bit of a risk having your trials after the Hawks have had theirs. I would have thought you would be trying to attract as many players as possible up the Hill.

[geoff9559]

Mt Barker are in the third tier and from memory I dont believe that a club in the third tier have to field any juniors only the three senior teams.

Cheers

Geoff9559

[magnet]

Mt Barker are in the third tier and from memory I dont believe that a club in the third tier have to field any juniors only the three senior teams.

Cheers

Geoff9559

Existing State League teams have to field a minimum of three teams across the JPL age groups. I am assuming it will be the same for all State League 1 teams.

[Papou]

Just a question to parents re trials: What are your thoughts if your son/daughter was selected in a selection process that didn't distinguished a JPL team from a JSL team prior to making deposits? - Until the season started...??

[magnet]

Just a question to parents re trials: What are your thoughts if your son/daughter was selected in a selection process that didn't distinguished a JPL team from a JSL team prior to making deposits? - Until the season started...??

It depends on who the coach is. If they are two competent coaches it doesn't matter whether you play JPL or JSL. The most important thing is that the kids enjoy themselves while they develop under the guidance of a decent coach.

[GaylyColouredStumps]

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[Bluechook]

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[Nova]

Just a question to parents re trials: What are your thoughts if your son/daughter was selected in a selection process that didn't distinguished a JPL team from a JSL team prior to making deposits? - Until the season started...??

It depends on who the coach is. If they are two competent coaches it doesn't matter whether you play JPL or JSL. The most important thing is that the kids enjoy themselves while they develop under the guidance of a decent coach.

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[on-side]

Just a question to parents re trials: What are your thoughts if your son/daughter was selected in a selection process that didn't distinguished a JPL team from a JSL team prior to making deposits? - Until the season started...??

I think you should know "what you are purchasing" - same goes for any other type of service/product... what if you weren't told what kind of car you were purchasing before you handed over your money....?

[N5 1BH]

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Aha! a contribution from two of the FFSA /Raiders/Metro triumvirate. Or is it all three?

[GaylyColouredStumps]

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Aha! a contribution from two of the FFSA /Raiders/Metro triumvirate. Or is it all three?

I'm from Playford mate

[Stich This]

Fulham 14s which will be in the JPL division in 2016 have 1 spot available.

The teams and coaches focus is on developing players and playing a passing type of game style - there are no long balls in this team.

if you want to be part of an exceptional team that played 18 and won 18 in the JSL last season as well as beating a number of JPL sides in pre-season and cup games this is your chance to get on board.

If you think your son would be a good fit for this team which will retain the same coaching structure as it did last season then please contact Sam on 0431 186 433 as further trials can be arranged with the current selected squad.

The coach is happy to go into the season with the current selected squad but if the right player comes along then there is the room to increase the squad by 1 player.

Sounds like you don't need anyone else .

[bigpond]

Coach happy to stay with current number but 1 more would be ideal. If someone comes along with some ability the coach can help develop but just as important the right attitude a spot is there.

The coach has made it quite clear to all players and parents he is not there to baby sit but coach and develop players that want to be there.

[Pie and Bovril]

Fulham 14s which will be in the JPL division in 2016 have 1 spot available.

The teams and coaches focus is on developing players and playing a passing type of game style - there are no long balls in this team.

if you want to be part of an exceptional team that played 18 and won 18 in the JSL last season as well as beating a number of JPL sides in pre-season and cup games this is your chance to get on board.

If you think your son would be a good fit for this team which will retain the same coaching structure as it did last season then please contact Sam on 0431 186 433 as further trials can be arranged with the current selected squad.

The coach is happy to go into the season with the current selected squad but if the right player comes along then there is the room to increase the squad by 1 player.

Why the focus on the results?

[Rehagel's Assistant]

Coach happy to stay with current number but 1 more would be ideal. If someone comes along with some ability the coach can help develop but just as important the right attitude a spot is there.

The coach has made it quite clear to all players and parents he is not there to baby sit but coach and develop players that want to be there.

I assume you will be starting off in the C division or will the FFSA promote you to B div for being such a formidable side as you claim?

[bigpond]

Coach happy to stay with current number but 1 more would be ideal. If someone comes along with some ability the coach can help develop but just as important the right attitude a spot is there.

The coach has made it quite clear to all players and parents he is not there to baby sit but coach and develop players that want to be there.

I assume you will be starting off in the C division or will the FFSA promote you to B div for being such a formidable side as you claim?

Fulham understand JSL is not like JPL although JPL C league is not that much stronger having played a couple of those teams in pre season - not to mention teams but some of those teams in JPL C would have not been any better than some of the teams in our JSL league.

No-one benefits like last season where almost every game was a double digit margin. We would prefer losing every game but playing stronger teams to develop the kids further - no one benefits winning 20-0.

How the FFSA sets up the 14s is certainly of interest to the Fulham 14s team.

[Pie and Bovril]

Coach happy to stay with current number but 1 more would be ideal. If someone comes along with some ability the coach can help develop but just as important the right attitude a spot is there.

The coach has made it quite clear to all players and parents he is not there to baby sit but coach and develop players that want to be there.

I assume you will be starting off in the C division or will the FFSA promote you to B div for being such a formidable side as you claim?

Fulham understand JSL is not like JPL although JPL C league is not that much stronger having played a couple of those teams in pre season - not to mention teams but some of those teams in JPL C would have not been any better than some of the teams in our JSL league.

No-one benefits like last season where almost every game was a double digit margin. We would prefer losing every game but playing stronger teams to develop the kids further - no one benefits winning 20-0.

How the FFSA sets up the 14s is certainly of interest to the Fulham 14s team.

JPL is exactly the same as JSL. You still get referees not showing up, teams with only nine players and 15+ winning margins.

Don't take it too seriously mate, no one cares who wins or loses just as long as the kids are learning and enjoy themselves.

[OldGold]

JPL is exactly the same as JSL. You still get referees not showing up, teams with only nine players and 15+ winning margins.

Don't take it too seriously mate, no one cares who wins or loses just as long as the kids are learning and enjoy themselves.[/quote]

The Kids playing do... people/"grown -ups" can deny it all they want and say its all about having fun and development but the Kids are playing to win!

[johnnoadelaide]

if you guys that are calling yourselves junior coaches are winning by more than 9 goals each week, then you can't coach for sh*t, if you are 8 nil up you should stop scoring, play possession, getting the ball into the box then back to your keeper, switch sides, then back up the park, play 3 touch, swap the goalkeeper with a fielded player, only shoot with your opposite foot..........take a player off and play with 10, there are plenty of things you can teach kids that don't involve scoring, also helps the opposition by not making them look stupid.

[Mrs Red]

I think the whole JPL V's JSL structure needs to be revisited. Some JSL teams are better than JPL teams. Wouldn't it be better if there was only once competition with more Divisions with rules that encompass that of the JSL now? eg only one team from one club per Division. Teams that don't have senior men's teams cant play in the A or B division. wouldn't it be better for teams to play opposition that are of their same ability which is what the leagues sort of generate by the process of promotion and relegation now?

i think the purpose of introducing JSL to move JPL players around to different clubs has not worked and FFSA with the help of club feedback perhaps need to re assess if the JSL has achieved its goals it was set up for?

I don't think it has. It would be interesting to note what other clubs think?

[Pie and Bovril]

I think the whole JPL V's JSL structure needs to be revisited. Some JSL teams are better than JPL teams. Wouldn't it be better if there was only once competition with more Divisions with rules that encompass that of the JSL now? eg only one team from one club per Division. Teams that don't have senior men's teams cant play in the A or B division. wouldn't it be better for teams to play opposition that are of their same ability which is what the leagues sort of generate by the process of promotion and relegation now?

i think the purpose of introducing JSL to move JPL players around to different clubs has not worked and FFSA with the help of club feedback perhaps need to re assess if the JSL has achieved its goals it was set up for?

I don't think it has. It would be interesting to note what other clubs think?

It's not just JSL though. The JPL leagues have some massive scorelines too. If you look at the U13's leagues last year we had some big results:

JPL A: 11-0
JPL B: 19-0
JPL C: 19-1