2016 JPL Division 1

[Rebel with a Cause]

Will be made up with the 12 NPL clubs.
U12 to U16 to all play against same club at same venue and follow the Senior draw.
If your senior club is not in the NPL your child will be forced to play in an inferior competition regardless of how well they perform this year.
This is design purely to make the bigger clubs even more powerful. So start planning for 2016 by following your senior teams results.

[magnet]

Birkalla already recruiting some of the best Southern talent. It is understandable considering they look like being the only Southern club in the JPL next year.

[themessenger]

Will be made up with the 12 NPL clubs.
U12 to U16 to all play against same club at same venue and follow the Senior draw.
If your senior club is not in the NPL your child will be forced to play in an inferior competition regardless of how well they perform this year.
This is design purely to make the bigger clubs even more powerful. So start planning for 2016 by following your senior teams results.

This has been widely known for sometime, however not so sure the three new clubs joining the FFSA next year fully understand their juniors will be playing in the third and lowest tier of junior competition, and not actually in the Junior Premier League comp.

Interested to know which competition the Skilleroos teams will play in.... JPL?.. or maybe they should be in the JSL given they are not aligned to any senior team.

[bigpond]

Will be made up with the 12 NPL clubs.
U12 to U16 to all play against same club at same venue and follow the Senior draw.
If your senior club is not in the NPL your child will be forced to play in an inferior competition regardless of how well they perform this year.
This is design purely to make the bigger clubs even more powerful. So start planning for 2016 by following your senior teams results.

This has been widely known for sometime, however not so sure the three new clubs joining the FFSA next year fully understand their juniors will be playing in the third and lowest tier of junior competition, and not actually in the Junior Premier League comp.

Interested to know which competition the Skilleroos teams will play in.... JPL?.. or maybe they should be in the JSL given they are not aligned to any senior team.

And the FFSA also said applications closed end of Dec 14 for new teams yet Mt Barker are now in.

Don't always believe what you hear - don't assume you know where these clubs will be playing at jnr level as deals have been done that you may not be aware of !!!

[Ibelieve]

They'll change it again in a few years.
There's no consistency within that organisation.

[Chocco]

Elite Football Program......
12 clubs will have JPL teams next year? so all those clubs will have many players trialing ( if you think how many JPL teams there are in 2015 to how many there will be in 2016)
What will the cost be to play in a JPL team next year? clubs could charge a lot more than they are now as there certainly will not be any shortage of applicants. Will it be an elite program or will it be whoever can afford it? (i have read on this forum that a club in Melb charge $3200 per season)

just my 2 cents worth

[magnet]

Elite Football Program......
12 clubs will have JPL teams next year? so all those clubs will have many players trialing ( if you think how many JPL teams there are in 2015 to how many there will be in 2016)
What will the cost be to play in a JPL team next year? clubs could charge a lot more than they are now as there certainly will not be any shortage of applicants. Will it be an elite program or will it be whoever can afford it? (i have read on this forum that a club in Melb charge $3200 per season)

just my 2 cents worth

Some of the teams will go from JPL C to the new JPL league. I would assume they will be looking at complete overhauls but as a parent you should be asking who the coaches are rather than paying for the prestige of playing for a JPL club.

[James]

Initially there may be a perception that the JPL is the better league to be in.

Over time if clubs in the division 2 league (or what ever its called) improve their junior development programs then will this be an issue?

[themessenger]

State League clubs already have good junior programs and many have teams already competing in JPL 'A' leagues across a number of age groups.

So for example, a player currently in JPL Under 13As at Cumberland, Modbury, The Cove and Playford will all be playing JSL next year.

Unless of course they leave their current club for an NPL Premier league club instead.

[Mrs Red]

So for example, a player currently in JPL Under 13As at Cumberland, Modbury, The Cove and Playford will all be playing JSL next year.

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Only if their senior teams are not in the NPL.

[matty2323]

Initially there may be a perception that the JPL is the better league to be in.

Over time if clubs in the division 2 league (or what ever its called) improve their junior development programs then will this be an issue?

Playford currently has under 12|13|14|15|16|17s all competing in the JPL A division. Should our Seniors not finish top 8, all teams will be moved to tier 3 (JSL). Im sure Cumberland would be in a similar position. IMO the objective of the FFSA and FFA is to encourage youth development and promote juniors.. however, "Big clubs" with heavily invested squads that can buy division 1 status, will now have their pick of juniors regardless on their current development programs.

Very much creating an elitist environment for the wealthiest clubs. Also forcing clubs to invest heavily in senior squads to not lose their "status"... ultimately deterring them from giving youth prospects a chance...

[Mrs Red]

Should our Seniors not finish top 8, all teams will be moved to tier 3 (JSL).
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Top 10 isnt it ie only the bottom 6 go down. Playford are atm 14 points clear of the bottom 6 ie Eastern Utd

[matty2323]

Top 10 isnt it ie only the bottom 6 go down. Playford are atm 14 points clear of the bottom 6 ie Eastern Utd

With 90% of the squad all Playford juniors who developed in the JPL A divisions as juniors ;)

Please correct me if im wrong, but the requirement for teams is u12, u14 and u16 correct? What happens if clubs with JPL C division teams find themselves in the top 10? What happens if some clubs don't fill u13s or u15s?

As you can tell, im not a fan. I think it disadvantages clubs who aren't willing to spend $$$$ to buy the top end players for their club. Our first team has a squad of 18, 13 of which are Playford juniors. Of those, 7 are under 20, with 6 still eligible for under 18s. We aren't going to be able to compete with clubs like Adelaide Victory who can spend $400-$600 on players. We dont want to. We want to develop our kids, and allow them to play senior football at the club. Now these kids will only experience '2nd teir' junior football because we want to give them opportunities at senior level and not pay the mercenaries.

[Mrs Red]

With 90% of the squad all Playford juniors who developed in the JPL A divisions as juniors ;) And not all with Playford too, hey!

Please correct me if im wrong, but the requirement for teams is u12, u14 and u16 correct? not quite
a. At least three junior teams in three of the following age groups
– Under 12, 13, 14, 15, 16
b. At least three MiniRoo teams in three of the following age
groups – Under 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and Under 11

What happens if clubs with JPL C division teams find themselves in the top 10? yes they probably will struggle and even more if a JPL C div team this year finds them self's playing NPL junior teams next year - which could happen.

What happens if some clubs don't fill u13s or u15s? It doesnt matter as long as they have 3 teams from 12-17's refer above

As you can tell, im not a fan. I think it disadvantages clubs who aren't willing to spend $$$$ to buy the top end players for their club. Our first team has a squad of 18, 13 of which are Playford juniors. Of those, 7 are under 20, with 6 still eligible for under 18s. We aren't going to be able to compete with clubs like Adelaide Victory who can spend $400-$600 on players. We dont want to. We want to develop our kids, and allow them to play senior football at the club. Now these kids will only experience '2nd teir' junior football because we want to give them opportunities at senior level and not pay the mercenaries. yes that's one way of looking at it but I dont think its the way the FFSA are thinking or concerned about

[matty2323]

With 90% of the squad all Playford juniors who developed in the JPL A divisions as juniors ;) And not all with Playford too, hey!

Please correct me if im wrong, but the requirement for teams is u12, u14 and u16 correct? not quite
a. At least three junior teams in three of the following age groups
– Under 12, 13, 14, 15, 16
b. At least three MiniRoo teams in three of the following age
groups – Under 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and Under 11

What happens if clubs with JPL C division teams find themselves in the top 10? yes they probably will struggle and even more if a JPL C div team this year finds them self's playing NPL junior teams next year - which could happen.

What happens if some clubs don't fill u13s or u15s? It doesnt matter as long as they have 3 teams from 12-17's refer above

As you can tell, im not a fan. I think it disadvantages clubs who aren't willing to spend $$$$ to buy the top end players for their club. Our first team has a squad of 18, 13 of which are Playford juniors. Of those, 7 are under 20, with 6 still eligible for under 18s. We aren't going to be able to compete with clubs like Adelaide Victory who can spend $400-$600 on players. We dont want to. We want to develop our kids, and allow them to play senior football at the club. Now these kids will only experience '2nd teir' junior football because we want to give them opportunities at senior level and not pay the mercenaries. yes that's one way of looking at it but I dont think its the way the FFSA are thinking or concerned about

exactly, because all the "big clubs" are in no danger of being relegated. The top league next season, as it currently stands, will be West Adelaide, Blue Eagles, Birkalla, Campbelltown, Adelaide City, Croydon, Metro, Comets, Pirates, Raiders, Victory & AU. All CBD clubs. So basically if you live more than 15 minutes outside the city, you wont have the opportunity to play JPL A division football at your local clubs.

All these clubs have very well paid players on their books at senior level. Most would struggle to name more than 5 players in their starting line ups that have played 5 or more seasons at the club as juniors. Yet these are the clubs to be rewarded with "elite" status.

[Hearts]

IMO this league should not be called JPL next season if team get in this league because of where there senior finish and not their ability then no way is this the 'Premier' league.

[magnet]

Massive jump for the Adelaide Victory Juniors Courtesy of the Senior team.

AU do not currently have juniors, what happens there then?

[Jett]

Top 10 isnt it ie only the bottom 6 go down. Playford are atm 14 points clear of the bottom 6 ie Eastern Utd

With 90% of the squad all Playford juniors who developed in the JPL A divisions as juniors ;)

Please correct me if im wrong, but the requirement for teams is u12, u14 and u16 correct? What happens if clubs with JPL C division teams find themselves in the top 10? What happens if some clubs don't fill u13s or u15s?

As you can tell, im not a fan. I think it disadvantages clubs who aren't willing to spend $$$$ to buy the top end players for their club. Our first team has a squad of 18, 13 of which are Playford juniors. Of those, 7 are under 20, with 6 still eligible for under 18s. We aren't going to be able to compete with clubs like Adelaide Victory who can spend $400-$600 on players. We dont want to. We want to develop our kids, and allow them to play senior football at the club. Now these kids will only experience '2nd teir' junior football because we want to give them opportunities at senior level and not pay the mercenaries.

You're jumping the gun a little bit aren't you ? We aren't even half way through the season and you are starting to have a coronary. Just wait and see after a couple of months it could be all different, if not, just bring your child to Adelaide Victory, simples...

[themessenger]

Top 10 isnt it ie only the bottom 6 go down. Playford are atm 14 points clear of the bottom 6 ie Eastern Utd

With 90% of the squad all Playford juniors who developed in the JPL A divisions as juniors ;)

Please correct me if im wrong, but the requirement for teams is u12, u14 and u16 correct? What happens if clubs with JPL C division teams find themselves in the top 10? What happens if some clubs don't fill u13s or u15s?

As you can tell, im not a fan. I think it disadvantages clubs who aren't willing to spend $$$$ to buy the top end players for their club. Our first team has a squad of 18, 13 of which are Playford juniors. Of those, 7 are under 20, with 6 still eligible for under 18s. We aren't going to be able to compete with clubs like Adelaide Victory who can spend $400-$600 on players. We dont want to. We want to develop our kids, and allow them to play senior football at the club. Now these kids will only experience '2nd teir' junior football because we want to give them opportunities at senior level and not pay the mercenaries.

You're jumping the gun a little bit aren't you ? We aren't even half way through the season and you are starting to have a coronary. Just wait and see after a couple of months it could be all different, if not, just bring your child to Adelaide Victory, simples...

You're missing the point. If his child is getting good coaching, already developing as a player in a JPL 'A'
Team playing with his mates at his local club, why should he have to move to an entirely different club next season just to continue playing JPL 'A's?

And especially to a club that does not offer the same established junior development program as his own club, and in fact is only part of the JPL competition by de facto as their Senior team happens to have been promoted to the Premier league?

I doubt that he is close to having a coronary, probably just incensed by the inequity of this new ruling by the FFSA.

It may well be you having the coronary if your First team drops a couple of matches and misses out on promotion to the Premier League, having been overtaken by AUFC Youth and Olympic.

[Chocco]

The better qualified coaches will go to the new JPL system and will bring their own group of players.

The current JPL system allows for approximatley 500 players to be involved in the A,B,C format per age group whereas the new system will only cator for only 180 players.

As I mentioned previousley, clubs will need their seniors to remain in the first division and will need to buy players and inturn will need more money so up go the junior fees and the excuse will be "we need the money to buy the players so that your child can remain at the club to play JPL juniors".

Maybe the federation could cap the cost of a junior having to pay to play.

[mrrombold]

Good that AV are having some senior success but what will you be offering these kids Jett. Currently U12 - 17s have 3 Teams in low JPL divisions and all near bottom, no JSL teams. Can't see the attraction at this point. You would be better off under the current set up I would think.

Top 10 isnt it ie only the bottom 6 go down. Playford are atm 14 points clear of the bottom 6 ie Eastern Utd

With 90% of the squad all Playford juniors who developed in the JPL A divisions as juniors ;)

Please correct me if im wrong, but the requirement for teams is u12, u14 and u16 correct? What happens if clubs with JPL C division teams find themselves in the top 10? What happens if some clubs don't fill u13s or u15s?

As you can tell, im not a fan. I think it disadvantages clubs who aren't willing to spend $$$$ to buy the top end players for their club. Our first team has a squad of 18, 13 of which are Playford juniors. Of those, 7 are under 20, with 6 still eligible for under 18s. We aren't going to be able to compete with clubs like Adelaide Victory who can spend $400-$600 on players. We dont want to. We want to develop our kids, and allow them to play senior football at the club. Now these kids will only experience '2nd teir' junior football because we want to give them opportunities at senior level and not pay the mercenaries.

You're jumping the gun a little bit aren't you ? We aren't even half way through the season and you are starting to have a coronary. Just wait and see after a couple of months it could be all different, if not, just bring your child to Adelaide Victory, simples...

[geoff9559]

I could see some families moving to clubs that are in the Premier League in 2016. That will be great for some Clubs, a loss for other clubs no ifs no buts.

I personally can see that if there is an influx to ....say....Adelaide Victory..... this will be potentially at the expense of existing Juniors who might not be the best players in the world or of our State Leagues but they have shown loyalty to stay for 5 or so years (or longer or less but they have stuck it out through quite a turmoil at the club) at what was the Toros and what is now Adelaide Victory. I can see some families gutted that their child might not be good enough for Victory (if they promote) and there wont be a spot for them after trials due to this potential influx to be in a premier league side. Some might just leave the competition, others might look for another club.....it will be an interesting couple of months post this season that is for sure.

Loyalty does play a part in most mindsets, and by a lot of posts in this topic you can see the passion and loyalty that surrounds a club ......so it is going to be a hard ride for a lot of junior teams post this season...........

Regards

Geoff9559

[Mrs Red]

The better qualified coaches will go to the new JPL system and will bring their own group of players.

The current JPL system allows for approximatley 500 players to be involved in the A,B,C format per age group whereas the new system will only cator for only 180 players.

As I mentioned previousley, clubs will need their seniors to remain in the first division and will need to buy players and inturn will need more money so up go the junior fees and the excuse will be "we need the money to buy the players so that your child can remain at the club to play JPL juniors".

Maybe the federation could cap the cost of a junior having to pay to play.

Under FFSA rules and operating guidelines Junior Coaches who move clubs can only bring a maximum of 50% of their team to the their new club. FFSA have brought in this rule to stop coaches and clubs bringing in entire teams into their club.

As for capping the cost - every club has different costs so FFSA would have not be able to dictate to a club how much they can charge. Some clubs choose to pay their junior coaches, perhaps due to junior fees being at the higher end while other clubs don't charge high fees and therefore can't afford to pay their junior coaches. It's up to clubs to find the balance of what families can afford to pay and are willing to pay for the product they are receiving,.

[themessenger]

The better qualified coaches will go to the new JPL system and will bring their own group of players.

The current JPL system allows for approximatley 500 players to be involved in the A,B,C format per age group whereas the new system will only cater for only 180 players.

As I mentioned previousley, clubs will need their seniors to remain in the first division and will need to buy players and inturn will need more money so up go the junior fees and the excuse will be "we need the money to buy the players so that your child can remain at the club to play JPL juniors".

Maybe the federation could cap the cost of a junior having to pay to play.

How do you work out only 180 players will be in the JPL competition next year?

If 12 NPL Premier clubs are each required to field a team in every age group from u12 - u16, each team having 14 players - does that not equate to 840 players across 5 age groups with 12 junior teams competing in each? If no AUFC junior teams entered, then the number of players in JPL would be 770 players.

In the State League, if the 12 clubs each have a minimum of 3 junior teams as required by FFSA, then there will be at least 500 players in that competition, but likely to be more than that as most clubs have more than 3 junior teams.

And State League 1 junior competition will have the second and third teams of FFSA clubs plus other junior teams with no seniors. So probably another 400-600 or so players.

We know for certain that NPL Premier league clubs will see all their seniors and juniors aligned, but does the FFSA have any idea what they are doing next year in relation to the 2nd and 3rd tiers of competition? Probably not.

I suspect it will come down to the number of junior teams entered by State League clubs, and then as Mrs Red says, the FFSA will "plug the holes" with State League 1 teams to ensure there is a viable junior competition in all age groups.

[Chocco]

hi just to clarify the numbers

U13 A JPL x 10 teams x 16 player 160players
U13 B JPL X 8 teams x 16 players 128players
U13 C JPL X 8 teams x 16 players 128players

Total U13 JPL spots available in 2015 416


2016 if the new system is introduced
12 teams x 16 players 192

So next year the 400 plus players that are playing in u13 jpl in 2015 will need to fit into 192 spots in the u14jpl in 2016, A lot of them will be playing JSL

[magnet]

hi just to clarify the numbers

U13 A JPL x 10 teams x 16 player 160players
U13 B JPL X 8 teams x 16 players 128players
U13 C JPL X 8 teams x 16 players 128players

Total U13 JPL spots available in 2015 416


2016 if the new system is introduced
12 teams x 16 players 192

So next year the 400 plus players that are playing in u13 jpl in 2015 will need to fit into 192 spots in the u14jpl in 2016, A lot of them will be playing JSL

It's just a name. We will still have 6 leagues.

JPL (old JPL A)
State League (old JPL B)
State League 1 (old JPL C)
FFSA Junior League red (old JSL Red)
FFSA Junior League blue (old JSL Blue)
FFSA Junior League yellow (old JSL Yellow)

No kids will miss out.

[Sven]

They have changed it again.

FFSA have no idea.

[themessenger]

They have changed it again.

FFSA have no idea.

Really? What have they changed it to now?

[Sven]

Changing the U10 to U13 age groups and leaving the U14 to U17 age groups as is.

[magnet]

Changing the U10 to U13 age groups and leaving the U14 to U17 age groups as is.

I would love to hear their reasoning behind this. Are they changing their philosophy and now saying results matter for U14's and above. By allowing promotion and relegation they are pointing to a results driven Junior setup.