Lady Reds Coach To Quit

[sportsbird]

NTC girls did play very well.
The front 3 combined really well, and there movement off the ball was exceptional.

I am very glad and sincere the team did very well. It is what we would like to see.
However, it does not mean these players will get the opportunity to play for the lady reds under RA in 2015/216.
RA is only interested in self success, which he would do whatever it takes to be successful by overlooking local talent and introducing overseas and interstate players as he has done in the past.

And to socca, it's great that you support the coaches and their philosophies.
No doubt that you also believe the coaches have done a fantastic job in developing the players for the next level.
Therefore, there is no reason why our local talent should not be ready to step up and play regular games with the Lady reds.
And with the lack of funding, there is a greater opportunity to play our local talent rather than bringing in overseas or interstate players for this season. This would also highlight if the current coaches have fulfilled their requirements.
But this remains to be seen.

Finally, there is still a couple of players considering their future with the lady reds as they are unhappy with environment and direction.

[Worthless Gobemouche]

To suggest that the NTC girls should be included in any W League team in the future over players from interstate and overseas would be incorrect. Now, if that NTC system appears to be left to run for itself in RA absence, then that will need to be rectified by the FFSA. There appears to be conflicting stories as to whats occurring at present : some say its a rudderless ship, whilst others say there is a clear training schedule in place and that the team is playing well at this stage.

The NTC , in my opinion provides a pathway for those girls identified as 'elite' an opportunity to continue to develop at the highest possible standard, which appears to be in a boys competition as opposed to the Women's Premier League. To say that making that NTC team guarantees you a spot in the W League side is stretching it. Yes, the resent results we've had with interstate and overseas based players have been far from what we'd like, but if in the coaches opinion the local players aren't up to the task, then who are we to argue ? I'm almost 100% sure that the senior coaches at the club i'm involved in haven't had any correspondence or discussion with RA over the last 12 months, but that could be solely due to the fact we have no players on his radar.

RA has to select his side from the best players available and if that includes both interstate and overseas, then so be it. He is the appointed coach and he will eventually 'live or die' based on his choices. The only possible side effect of this, is that the NTC or elite team will continue as it is and our WPL competition will continue to be watered down due to the lack of top talent. For some clubs who produce excellent juniors and continually provided them to the FFSA sides in the WPL ( and eventually hopefully to the NTC side ) i'm sure they'd like to see them eventually return if their career doesn't extend to the W League side when their FFSA / NTC excursion ends, but i'm afraid thats not happening and this appears to be a major bone of contention to some clubs.

[Socca]

NTC girls did play very well.
The front 3 combined really well, and there movement off the ball was exceptional.

I am very glad and sincere the team did very well. It is what we would like to see.
However, it does not mean these players will get the opportunity to play for the lady reds under RA in 2015/216.
RA is only interested in self success, which he would do whatever it takes to be successful by overlooking local talent and introducing overseas and interstate players as he has done in the past.

And to socca, it's great that you support the coaches and their philosophies.
No doubt that you also believe the coaches have done a fantastic job in developing the players for the next level.
Therefore, there is no reason why our local talent should not be ready to step up and play regular games with the Lady reds.
And with the lack of funding, there is a greater opportunity to play our local talent rather than bringing in overseas or interstate players for this season. This would also highlight if the current coaches have fulfilled their requirements.
But this remains to be seen.

Finally, there is still a couple of players considering their future with the lady reds as they are unhappy with environment and direction.

Please show me where I said 'I supported the coaches and their philosophies' ?

You didn't answer my question though, are the NTC training, because you said 'the NTC players are being told on a continuous basis there is no training' ?

I'm only continuing in this discussion because your posts seem to be contradicting, or the personal opinions of a few, which is nothing new at any club/team

[Finding Sportsbird]

Sportsbird answer this. How many Adelaide boys are currently playing for Adelaide United? How many interstate and overseas players are playing for Adelaide United? How many from the youth team are playing for Adelaide United? This is one example but there is plenty more. Why are girls leaving to go interstate? Well do you think that maybe it could be that the level of womens football interstate could be better than our own?

[sportsbird]

Hi Boutsi,

Firstly, this is about women's football in SA. I am not interested in the men's league. The mens A league and so on are established and rewarded with highly paid contracts.

Secondly, the Mens A league is a business so winning is at all cost. So yes they will select the best players from all over the world. The sponsorship, contracts etc will be affected if they are not successful.

Finally to answer your question about women players going interstate, well RA was supposed to be the experienced and well respected coach to bring in a new culture and to secure players from leaving SA. Well that has not happened. We are losing players.
And to say that maybe the players go interstate because it is a better standard is ludicrous.
Do you think that maybe our coaching panel is not up to standard.

Players do not leave clubs unless they are unhappy with the environment, whether it is a personality clash, lack of opportunity etc.
But we are talking about elite players moving on. Why?
RA was supposed to address this problem, but it has backfired on him because of the environment he has created.

So again, to re-iterate, I am not interested in the men's league but the future of women's football.
Remember, local women players do not get paid, apart from the interstate/overseas players who get subsidised by the FFSA.
So until women get paid, keep SA Women Players in SA..

[Finding Sportsbird]

Sportsbird you blaba shite name the players that have left. Then hopefully I can give you the right answers, you sound like an up set parent. Parents may think that their child is a superstar but reality is not all of them are you must be that parent who can't handle rejection.

[sportsbird]

Hi Boutsi,

It looks like you don't read up on previous comments. May be if you look back you might see a couple of names.

I wish I was a disgruntled parent but as I have no child and luckily because I would not have her involved in that environment.

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Still no response from Sportsbird about her comment that NTC girls were not training which now looks to be an outright deliberate lie. If you were mistaken you would have said so by now, instead ... no response. What are you? Just a disgruntled player who didn't make it, feel you have been overlooked, or have been discarded, and is now blaming the coach?

As for your comments about not wanting the best possible players, not being interested in winning and not wanting to be professional in how it's run .... with that attitude you might as well just scrap the W-league and just have local amateur teams where no-one gets paid to play.

[sportsbird]

Let me be quite clear in this matter once and for all.
RA is not the right person for the job. He has lost respect from current and ex players as well as local clubs.
If you believe that a coach can humiliate and verbally abuse players to get the best out them, then you are in need of communication and psychological skills. We are not in 70's or 80's.
Just ask the players who are no longer involved in the program that have been victims of his coaching skills.
If you believe that RA has the right to discuss out in the open that the current Women's coaches should not be coaching is an absolute insult to those who are great coaches.
And finally if you believe that RA has any interest in assisting the Local Women's clubs then your wrong.
Therefore, I believe he should resign and allow some one who will able to communicate effectively with players clubs etc. and concentrate on the future of women's football in SA.

In conclusion, otto, I know as well as the people involved how much effective training they have had and the support received from the assistant coaches and let me tell you it's not what you call an elite program.
But we can debate this on an ongoing basis but time will tell.

[Finding Sportsbird]

Sportsbird who is the right person for the job? which current and past players have lost respect? Players no longer in the program must not have been good enough. What does effective training mean to you? what more support do the assistants have to provide?

Now really im glad you dont have a child playing, i could just imagine what a nightmare you would be, feel sorry for the school you attended or the work place you are in.

[MegaBonus]

sportsbird

Let me be quite clear in this matter once and for all.
RA is not the right person for the job. He has lost respect from current and ex players as well as local clubs.
If you believe that a coach can humiliate and verbally abuse players to get the best out them, then you are in need of communication and psychological skills. We are not in 70's or 80's.
Just ask the players who are no longer involved in the program that have been victims of his coaching skills.
If you believe that RA has the right to discuss out in the open that the current Women's coaches should not be coaching is an absolute insult to those who are great coaches.
And finally if you believe that RA has any interest in assisting the Local Women's clubs then your wrong.
Therefore, I believe he should resign and allow some one who will able to communicate effectively with players clubs etc. and concentrate on the future of women's football in SA.

In conclusion, otto, I know as well as the people involved how much effective training they have had and the support received from the assistant coaches and let me tell you it's not what you call an elite program.
But we can debate this on an ongoing basis but time will tell.

do you now promise to go away???????????

[sportsbird]

Megabonus,

I cant promise you, but what I can tell you that a very experienced and technical person is now involved in the program and is a major step forward.
He has the expertise, knowledge, understanding and communication to deal with our future young players.
So it's fantastic to see the FFSA giving the opportunity to the players by being coached by this respectful person.
There will be a huge difference in the players attitude and development. The environment will change for the better. Great stuff FFSA
So for now I will go away.

[Finding Sportsbird]

Who is this new person sportsbird? Don't leave the conversation open I'd like to know who it is. There is to many grey areas talk objective not subjective.

[sportsbird]

Boutsi,
If you are interested in the program, go out there and see for yourself then you will know who I am talking about.

[Finding Sportsbird]

Sportsbird went to watch the ntc girls tonight another good performance and I saw Airton he has been with the federation for a long time.

[Socca]

Finally, this is the last time I will be communicating on this subject as my point has been made.

[sportsbird]

socca
You seem to bring up my comment on several occasion. Your not suggesting I should be quiet from now on or am I hitting a nerve.
Just wondering if you have ever seen Jack Nicholson starring "A few Good Men", he made a famous comment as follows;
"You can't handle the truth"

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socca
You seem to bring up my comment on several occasion. Your not suggesting I should be quiet from now on or am I hitting a nerve.
Just wondering if you have ever seen Jack Nicholson starring "A few Good Men", he made a famous comment as follows;
"You can't handle the truth"

You might have a point if you actually told the truth.

[sportsbird]

otto,
If you really believe that I am making up stories.
Do me a favour, you sound like a person involved in a Women's Club and have an interest in the future of women's football.
Go do some investigation and find out if a meeting was held by an NTC coach to discuss issues relating to their verbal behaviour towards the players.
This meeting was resolved as a result of several players unhappy with the environment.
Once you find out, call me a liar if this is untrue.
But I would hope a respectful person as yourself would truly reply honestly with your findings.

[sportsbird]

boutsi,
It's was great to see the players doing very well.
It just go to show how another person with the right credentials and fantastic communications skills can make a huge difference to a team and players.
The players are a lot happier now and are really enjoying the environment.

[paul merson]

Secondly, the Mens A league is a business so winning is at all cost. So yes they will select the best players from all over the world. The sponsorship, contracts etc will be affected if they are not successful.

This brings up a good question Sportsbird, what is the aim of the W League? What do people want from it?
I assume by this comment you don't look to the W League as win at all costs? Its the top tier for women's football in this country, money isn't the issue here, direction is, & if its not looked at in the same light as the men's league then why are sponsors/FFSA dumping money into it? Why not put that money into the local comp and pump that up.

Does the attitude in the W League equal to the National Netball comp? Or basketball? (if that's still going?)

The Netball seems pretty win at all costs, as it should being the elite league, and as a tip Sportsbird, attitude has as much to do with professionalism as money does.

[Socca]

socca
You seem to bring up my comment on several occasion. Your not suggesting I should be quiet from now on or am I hitting a nerve.
Just wondering if you have ever seen Jack Nicholson starring "A few Good Men", he made a famous comment as follows;
"You can't handle the truth"

Nah, it's just funny how you mentioned this on page 1, and now we're into page 4 because you keep commenting, even though YOU said 'this is the last time I will be communicating on this subject'

[Wȁpita]

[sportsbird]

socca,
Unfortunately, you know what its like to be a women.
Cant keep quiet when things aren't right.

[sportsbird]

Hi Paul,
In answer to your questions.

This brings up a good question Sportsbird, what is the aim of the W League?
The aim of the W League is to promote our elite players and to compete with interstate clubs and for our players to display their skills and an opportunity to be selected for Australia.

What do people want from it?
to see the elite players in action and to be competitive against other states

I assume by this comment you don't look to the W League as win at all costs? That's incorrect, I do believe the W league needs to win at all costs. But not at the cost of elite players leaving SA due to in-effective coaching and an unpopular environment

Its the top tier for women's football in this country, money isn't the issue here, direction is, & if its not looked at in the same light as the men's league then why are sponsors/FFSA dumping money into it?
I have no issues with the FFSA pouring money into the Women's Elite program, but I do have a problem that money isn't going into the local clubs.

Why not put that money into the local comp and pump that up.I believe it should be pumped into the local comp. Strong comp = strong clubs = strong competition = strong players = elite players. A strong building is only as strong as the foundation. Therefore, strengthen the local clubs from the ground up and the results will be positive such as an increase in player participation, increase in supporter base, increase in sponsorship. etc
To improve players commitment and longevity in football, clubs must seriously look at paying players.
There is no reason why this cant be done. Certain clubs at the moment are not charging senior players for registration and fees.

Does the attitude in the W League equal to the National Netball comp? Or basketball? (if that's still going?)
No, the attitude is not equal. Women's football is a long way behind. Their development program is far superior than ours.

The Netball seems pretty win at all costs, as it should being the elite league, and as a tip Sportsbird, attitude has as much to do with professionalism as money does.
I totally agree with you on this comment

In conclusion, the clubs are hurting by the loss of elite players to the development program etc. We do not have the population to accommodate the development program and local clubs.
The Premier competition at the moment has become a second grade competition.
Yes people would say that these elite players will return to the clubs and boost the competition to a higher level.
It may or it may not. In my opinion, these elite players would rather retire or look interstate for another opportunity.

[juniorsupporter]

Sounds to me as if you're suggesting that FFSA just scrap the elite programs, have all players go back to their clubs and let the clubs produce the elite players for Wleague. Is that what you mean?

[sportsbird]

Sounds to me as if you're suggesting that FFSA just scrap the elite programs, have all players go back to their clubs and let the clubs produce the elite players for Wleague. Is that what you mean?

I am in no way suggesting scrapping the W League.

What I am suggesting is that the FFSA should invest their money in providing professional Sports Business Consultants to assist in planning and developing strategies to improve the operations of all Premier Women's Premier League Clubs. This consultant would be able to create strategies in management, marketing, sponsorship etc for 2016 onwards.

You would include a Sports Development Consultant to look at the current development structures to assist in creating and developing a successful program that will encourage new players to the club and the development of elite players when they reach the premier and W league .

Then we would have great clubs providing good players to the W League etc.

At the moment, the current women's premier league standard has detioriated and is becoming a second grade competition, therefore the Premier League should be renamed as Divison 1 to reflect the standard.

This is because the FFSA have taken too many good young players from local clubs on a permanent basis and is affecting the local clubs.

Again, we do not have the population to do this at the moment.

Just look at AFL Club Port Adelaide now investing money in the Port Adelaide reserves team.

Why can't FFSA do the same. Unfortunately, it is "us and them" mentality.

[juniorsupporter]

Sorry, I should have been more precise- What I meant to say is that it looked as if you were suggesting that there shouldn't be full-time, elite development programs because there aren''t enough players in SA to sustain the Premier League as an elite competition, and the full-time development programs. I said nothing about scrapping WLeague (if you reread my initial question).

[juniorsupporter]

Hi Paul,



Why not put that money into the local comp and pump that up.I believe it should be pumped into the local comp. Strong comp = strong clubs = strong competition = strong players = elite players. A strong building is only as strong as the foundation. Therefore, strengthen the local clubs from the ground up and the results will be positive such as an increase in player participation, increase in supporter base, increase in sponsorship. etc
To improve players commitment and longevity in football, clubs must seriously look at paying players.
There is no reason why this cant be done. Certain clubs at the moment are not charging senior players for registration and fees.

Does the attitude in the W League equal to the National Netball comp? Or basketball? (if that's still going?)
No, the attitude is not equal. Women's football is a long way behind. Their development program is far superior than ours.

The Netball seems pretty win at all costs, as it should being the elite league, and as a tip Sportsbird, attitude has as much to do with professionalism as money does.
I totally agree with you on this comment

In conclusion, the clubs are hurting by the loss of elite players to the development program etc. We do not have the population to accommodate the development program and local clubs.
The Premier competition at the moment has become a second grade competition.
Yes people would say that these elite players will return to the clubs and boost the competition to a higher level.
It may or it may not. In my opinion, these elite players would rather retire or look interstate for another opportunity.

[gone]

Sounds to me as if you're suggesting that FFSA just scrap the elite programs, have all players go back to their clubs and let the clubs produce the elite players for Wleague. Is that what you mean?

I am in no way suggesting scrapping the W League.

What I am suggesting is that the FFSA should invest their money in providing professional Sports Business Consultants to assist in planning and developing strategies to improve the operations of all Premier Women's Premier League Clubs. This consultant would be able to create strategies in management, marketing, sponsorship etc for 2016 onwards.

You would include a Sports Development Consultant to look at the current development structures to assist in creating and developing a successful program that will encourage new players to the club and the development of elite players when they reach the premier and W league .

Then we would have great clubs providing good players to the W League etc.

At the moment, the current women's premier league standard has detioriated and is becoming a second grade competition, therefore the Premier League should be renamed as Divison 1 to reflect the standard.

This is because the FFSA have taken too many good young players from local clubs on a permanent basis and is affecting the local clubs.

Again, we do not have the population to do this at the moment.

Just look at AFL Club Port Adelaide now investing money in the Port Adelaide reserves team.

Why can't FFSA do the same. Unfortunately, it is "us and them" mentality.

What a waste of money that would be. In any case, the last thing most clubs would want is the FFSA sending in some corporate 'experts' with no understanding of the game to tell the club's what to do.