"C+" team Cup Competition?

[Ernie Cooksey]

So the Shits n Giggles Cup it is then.
Seriously, what would be the harm in it?
Don't agree?... forfeit your first game and let the others carry on. Problem solvered.

[ontheblackburner]

if thats the way YOU see it then fair enough

By the way our C's do play for sh!ts n giggles, dont train, and won the league you competed in this year

On this argument, you're saying that talent alone won them the league? Shouldn't they then be playing at a higher level? Why aren't they playing reserves?

[swannsong]

if thats the way YOU see it then fair enough

By the way our C's do play for sh!ts n giggles, dont train, and won the league you competed in this year

On this argument, you're saying that talent alone won them the league? Shouldn't they then be playing at a higher level? Why aren't they playing reserves?

Because their Reserves won the League and went undefeated all year until a minor slip up a few days ago !

[terryball]

Cup Finals Day at Hindmarsh, for those that care to attend regardless of their Club's participation of not, is already a long enough day with 4 finals ( 9:00am - 5:30pm ). You need to give players incentive to want to play at the highest levels for their Clubs....The Over 35s Cup looks fun but it is a bit like a "slow down" event that gives yesterday's heroes a chance to get out on Hindmarsh once again.
Think the Over 35s put in a fair bit of legwork themselves to get the Cup up and going down at Grange a few years back.

This game was the most entertaining game of the day , The sight of seeing young Ricky H dribbling the ball down the wing leaving players in his wake(a total of about thirty yards was covered) only to trip over a long blade of grass in total exhaustion was a classic highlight

[Fresh Football]

This has probably been floated before, but seeing as there is an O/35's cup comp is there any reason why C teams (and beyond) can't have their own cup competition?

The way I see it, any third string team and lower could apply to be involved. This would mean the standard "C" and "D' teams etc could apply, as well as third string teams that play on an alternative day (Such as the case with teams like Fulham, Angle Vale, and Munno Para whose main teams play on Sunday but who also enter teams in lower divisions on a Saturday).

A major criticism I have seen in the past is "players liking the week off" and if that is the case those teams simply opt out or do not apply. The reality is that most only have one or two games added to their roster, and unfortunately these leagues do seem to be plagued by forfeits so most teams would probably be happy to fill a cup bye round with a fixture.

It would be interesting to see if clubs would support this and, more importantly, if those that currently play C's (or will in the near future) would be interested in being involved.

Do it!
It can't be that hard to organise considering they generate fixtures for C teams for a whole season. As the cup progresses, less teams - easy!
I don't know much about the Sunday C teams, but the Saturday Premier C teams are pretty serious - Bosa have been outstanding for a few years now & would seriously knock off some B teams and on some occasions maybe even an A side.
If you're club is not interested in silverware, then don't join in...

[Caretaker Coach]

Agree with FF, and getting back to original suggestion and, having personally having seen some Saturday and Sunday C teams myself this year, there are some quality sides out there.
From Saturday comp -Bosa, Adelaide Villa, Fulham,Cove, Stirling. Sunday comp - FOB, W Beach x2, Brahma Lodge, Eliz Grove just to name a few - any of these sides up against each other would provide some good entertaining games,with combination of youthful, and experienced players. ( Apologies to any teams I may have overlooked )
I feel by having a Cup Competition may entice more mature players to stay in the game longer, therefore stay involved with the club.

Stacking the side shouldnt be too much of an issue with the cup-tied rules applying here as well-if you have A/B grade players coming back from injury/suspension and are eligible to play ( when their A's + B's have been knocked out ) that is your good luck,not like you deliberately set out to stack the side

Only clubs who wanted to enter their C team would go in the draw, bearing in mind it could be a logistical headache to start with - be played on the cup round weekends, you could have all 3 teams ( A,B+C ) at different locations,over the two days, and,would your ground be available to play on from 10.30am ?
I would suggest going straight to penalties if the scores are level after full time,that way you would be finished in time for the B's Cup game to KO on time.
From what I have seen most C teams look after themselves, so that would help out individual clubs, and you would have to be prepared to have club members officiating the games to start with ( no different to a normal C team game )and it may encourage some clubs to get their players organised a bit earlier, then the week before the season starts
eg Preliminary Cup Round started 1st week in April this year.

Thoughts ? have I overlooked anything ?

[BPBC]

if thats the way YOU see it then fair enough

By the way our C's do play for sh!ts n giggles, dont train, and won the league you competed in this year

On this argument, you're saying that talent alone won them the league? Shouldn't they then be playing at a higher level? Why aren't they playing reserves?

probably because they didn't train, didn't take it serious enough, which is back to Robbo's original comment

"If you think you are good enough player to challenge for a cup, work your way into your reserves team"

Like I said it varies between clubs, some do put in the effort but don't make the ressies because of depth, its not something that is new though. But hey I do agree, if the SAASL do decide to do it, enter if you want and enjoy

On a side note, what about FOB? they are not a C grade, but play in a C grade division. They are their clubs only team so in fact are their A grade. Also what about the idea of just the top team from each C grade division playing off on semi final weekend and the top 2 go through to cup final? much easier for the SAASL to organise

[Stokesy]

Also what about the idea of just the top team from each C grade division playing off on semi final weekend and the top 2 go through to cup final? much easier for the SAASL to organise

In my opinion, having a few finals for the champions of each division is not what we're after. The beauty of the Cup is that it's separate to the league, those who are out of the title hunt can still go on a good cup run and win the competition.

I don't think the competition is about a 'showcase' or what Rob said about "glorifying the C's with a cup-final". Let's be honest, these games aren't exactly going to draw neutral spectators. But what it does provide is extra games during what most 'C-teams' can agree is a very short 18 game season. It also offers a completely separate competition that teams can play for, which I often see as the downfall for some C-teams half-way through the season when they don't have anything to compete for (ie. league title, promotion, relegation battles, and lack-of a cup competition).

I agree it'll be alot of work to start-up and there will probably be issues around game-times, pitch availability, refereeing, etc. I just don't like the whole concept of rejecting the idea simply because some people think the 'C-grade' isn't "good enough" for their own Cup.

[ontheblackburner]

if thats the way YOU see it then fair enough

By the way our C's do play for sh!ts n giggles, dont train, and won the league you competed in this year

On this argument, you're saying that talent alone won them the league? Shouldn't they then be playing at a higher level? Why aren't they playing reserves?

Because their Reserves won the League and went undefeated all year until a minor slip up a few days ago !

So doesn't this go back to my point? Why shouldn't C Grade players miss out because they can't break into a reserves team?

This goes to my point that what Robbo said was abysmal. To tar every C Team player with the same brush is just rash stereotyping.

[spooky1972]

The 'C' cup could start after the usual cup (meaning most players are cup tied to A&B). At that point a club can enter a team into the C cup, I'm sure the rounds will be a few less so it can start after.

Clubs that are not a 3rd/4th team can not enter.

You can't stop team stacking, just like you can't stop it now, is it rampant now with mid table sides switching teams to solely attempt to win B cups if not, why would they do it to win a C cup

Many or some clubs do use the Cs to blood younger players getting a feel for adult football straight out of juniors, give em something to play for.

[Robbo]

So doesn't this go back to my point? Why shouldn't C Grade players miss out because they can't break into a reserves team?

This goes to my point that what Robbo said was abysmal. To tar every C Team player with the same brush is just rash stereotyping.

Geeez your a massive Drama Queen onthebackburner - easily the biggest on this forum. I've got a wife and three year old that whinge and whine on par with you !! Fckn Drama Queen !!

What you arent getting onthebackburner is HALF OF THE C TEAM END UP PLAYING IN THE B TEAM in cups. Happens every year, and I have been involved with Cups and Crap for a fair while now with Ingle Farm.

Answer me this - where will C Teams pull their players from when the rest are cup tied ??? I can see it now, forfeit, forfeit, forfeit, forfeit, and then who is gunna referee these games ??? My opinion is that there shouldn't be a Cup for C Team, period.

As far as what I said about C Team players, they ARE players of less ability, commitment and fitness ?? Otherwise they'd be in the 1st team you tool. Stop Drama Queening on Footballnews you little sook

[FoundIt]

Fckn Drama Queen !!

Stop Drama Queening on Footballnews you little sook

so what do you think of him?

[swannsong]

I much prefer a D-Cup.....but heh ! It's the bloke in me

And I'm sure that a lot of the players would also love to get their hands on a D-Cup !

[ontheblackburner]

So doesn't this go back to my point? Why shouldn't C Grade players miss out because they can't break into a reserves team?

This goes to my point that what Robbo said was abysmal. To tar every C Team player with the same brush is just rash stereotyping.

Geeez your a massive Drama Queen onthebackburner - easily the biggest on this forum. I've got a wife and three year old that whinge and whine on par with you !! Fckn Drama Queen !!

What you arent getting onthebackburner is HALF OF THE C TEAM END UP PLAYING IN THE B TEAM in cups. Happens every year, and I have been involved with Cups and Crap for a fair while now with Ingle Farm.

Answer me this - where will C Teams pull their players from when the rest are cup tied ??? I can see it now, forfeit, forfeit, forfeit, forfeit, and then who is gunna referee these games ??? My opinion is that there shouldn't be a Cup for C Team, period.

As far as what I said about C Team players, they ARE players of less ability, commitment and fitness ?? Otherwise they'd be in the 1st team you tool. Stop Drama Queening on Footballnews you little sook

LOL yeah good replay mate, well in!

Maybe the top up players for your Cs can come from, jeeze, I don't know, your C2s?

Edit: And let me just add that I know every team doesn't have C2s. I was simply making the point about IF. Anyway, I still find your generalisation about C team player offensive and out of line. I, along with many, would welcome a C Team cup. If that is bitching and sooking in your books Robbo, so be it, I can live with it.

[LosMerengues20]

So doesn't this go back to my point? Why shouldn't C Grade players miss out because they can't break into a reserves team?

This goes to my point that what Robbo said was abysmal. To tar every C Team player with the same brush is just rash stereotyping.

Geeez your a massive Drama Queen onthebackburner - easily the biggest on this forum. I've got a wife and three year old that whinge and whine on par with you !! Fckn Drama Queen !!

What you arent getting onthebackburner is HALF OF THE C TEAM END UP PLAYING IN THE B TEAM in cups. Happens every year, and I have been involved with Cups and Crap for a fair while now with Ingle Farm.

Answer me this - where will C Teams pull their players from when the rest are cup tied ??? I can see it now, forfeit, forfeit, forfeit, forfeit, and then who is gunna referee these games ??? My opinion is that there shouldn't be a Cup for C Team, period.

As far as what I said about C Team players, they ARE players of less ability, commitment and fitness ?? Otherwise they'd be in the 1st team you tool. Stop Drama Queening on Footballnews you little sook

You're a first grade w@nker Robbo. Not only have you stereotyped every C grader, but you've managed to do what everyone else seems to do on this forum and turn a valid debate into a personal attack. You stated your point as have others on the issue. To go on the defensive and then attack someone who has a different opinion to yours just shows a lot as to the man you are. Who gives a shit how long you've been involved with C grades and cups for, just like the O35's if you want something that bad you can get it done.

[Caretaker Coach]

Some times we want to complicate things that really arent that difficult. It was stated that you do not have to enter, only for those clubs that are keen to enter their C team, and they would start same weeks as Prelim round, depending on amount teams that enter.
Only reason I can see clubs playing A/B grade players to start within the C team, is if they have too many players for their A/B squads, makes sense to give them a run some where.
One team clubs are okay, they play C grade all season, lot of these guys dont train. FOB are a good side, so are all the other sides mentioned plus others.
Some clubs have more then one C team, can enter both, no different then Ade Uni, Flinders, Old Iggies having more then one team in A's B's Cup comp - same ruling applies, once you play in one C team, you cannot play for the other one,in the Cup comp.

Some of you are very passionate with your suggestions + criticisms, and i understand why. I have been around long enough to know that no matter what we do, there will be a club who will attempt to do something that is lets say is not in the spirit of the game.

Traditionally Uni teams struggle for players around holidays and long weekends, may be one or two forfeits, particularly when you bear in mind you cannot forfeit your Reserves game and play your C team cup game, if you get the picture.
These are things we can overcome, we should not let that deter us from having a Cup Competition.

[bench-warmer]

Who says you have to do a the C's cup by the same cup tie rules as the rest of the competition. You could make it so that to qualify for the C's cup team, you have to have played some % of the C's league games.

Anyone who doesn't play C's and thinks C's shouldn't have a cup should fcuk off out the conversation. What's it got to do with them.

If you take Robbo's comment to a logical conclusion, the Amateurs shouldn't have any A or B Cup, because that's really just rewarding mediocrity. If they are good enough players, they should be playing FFSA or A League.

[clemence]

sounds like a great idea to me just need some one to go to HQ and help them organise it

[fowlerisgod]

i always thought it would be a good idea. I think most c teams players would like the chance

[Steve#4]

If you play C grade....For what ever reason, you are a C grader and there should not be a cup...

Typical of the attitude we now have were everyone gets a prize...

I am surprised there is a b & o35 cup...

[egg and chips]

These are the reasons that I feel that a C Team cup is not a viable option. Grounds that are shared with Junior clubs will not be available for a 10.15 kick off. Three away games in the same round will stretch the resources of a lot of clubs. As previously stated, if all three clubs remain in the cups there will be a shortage of players available for the C team as players become cup tied for the first and reserve teams, given that the C Team cup will not start until the 2nd or 3rd round of the normal cup, there will be some clubs without enough players to have a starting eleven. Finally, if you had a C2 team then both C teams would both have to play in the Cup as they are both competing in C Team divisions.

[Fatty In A Nappy]

Finally, if you had a C2 team then both C teams would both have to play in the Cup as they are both competing in C Team divisions.

As previously mentioned we already have clubs who do that in the first team and reserve team cups. It's not an issue.

[Fatty In A Nappy]

given that the C Team cup will not start until the 2nd or 3rd round of the normal cup, there will be some clubs without enough players to have a starting eleven.

No one says you have to enter.

[BlackHammer]

There should not be a c cup because players have less ability is a Ludicrous statement.

Should we can the special Olympics because they are of lesser ability??

[Caretaker Coach]

Interesting reading all the comments, as mentioned earlier, not everyone will agree, not going to please everyone.
Simple thing is if you disagree with the concept you are under no obligation to enter.

Have pointed out, it will be a struggle,and a burden on clubs, particularly if all 3 teams ( A,B+C )keep winning - from what I have seen C teams generally look after themselves anyway, and have volunteers officiate the game.

As I have been playing /coaching saasl for a little while, looking to put something back into the game, I would be happy to put it to the league and assist if required. Just need to show we have enough interest for me to do that - spread the word around,see how many are interested, and I will approach the saasl.

Feel free to let me know on here or even pm me - just which club you are from, and what day and grade your C team(s) play, asap please.
Just need to get an idea how many Sat / Sun teams are interested ? Will be happy to provide you all with an idea of the feedback I get.

As Stokesy said earlier, they dont have promotion or relegation, at least let them have a cup round.

In closing I have seen first hand the quality of some of the C teams both Saturday and Sundays, eg if you were to get Bosa or Ade Villa, play FOB or West Beach, in the final, lot of people would be very surprised at the quality of the football.

After all is said and done, the saasl may not even approve of it, for now, but if there is enough support they may reconsider.
Cheers.

[God is an Englishman]

If a C Team player is worth any salt, they would be part of their Reserves squad for the Cup.

From my own personal experience I chose to play in a C team because the early kickoff allowed me to play before work. A reserve team kick off wouldn't.

I've seen you play Bodo, that wasn't the only consideration why you played C's, No one wants a goalkeeper taking throw ins or stepping for the offside in the B's.

[Monder]

[Jesus Christ]

I am surprised there is a b & o35 cup...

Why have a b or c league now that you mention it.

[Bodø Glimt]

If a C Team player is worth any salt, they would be part of their Reserves squad for the Cup.

From my own personal experience I chose to play in a C team because the early kickoff allowed me to play before work. A reserve team kick off wouldn't.

I've seen you play Bodø, that wasn't the only consideration why you played C's, No one wants a goalkeeper taking throw ins or stepping up for the offside in the B's.

That brings back memories.

[swannsong]

Here you go....just follow the pattern and make your own C-Cup