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Who's with me?

FFSA are determined to introduce a junior league structure that disadvantages so many clubs and discriminates against players who may develop at a slower rate than others (I.e. these late bloomers will be denied the opportunity to play with and against the 'best' players)

We all know the so called 'big' clubs only interest in juniors is the amount of money they can glean from the system for their seniors. We all know that they will not necessarily pick and play the 'best' players instead favoring the committee and sponsors boys. We all know that when it comes to seniors the 'big' clubs will recruit from wherever to ensure success, from interstate and overseas - this pathway notion just will not happen. And we all know that these 'big' clubs have had the opportunity to develop players over many years and their track record is not that good...

So why don't FFSA know this and choose to further strengthen this cartel

I say let the 'top' 6-7 clubs have their mini league - the rest of us form a junior league that is based on merit and your junior development structure - a league formed on this basis will ensure we all retain and continue to develop the 'best' players in our clubs (where the boys want to be) as well as those late bloomers
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Holteender wrote:Who's with me?

FFSA are determined to introduce a junior league structure that disadvantages so many clubs and discriminates against players who may develop at a slower rate than others (I.e. these late bloomers will be denied the opportunity to play with and against the 'best' players)

We all know the so called 'big' clubs only interest in juniors is the amount of money they can glean from the system for their seniors. We all know that they will not necessarily pick and play the 'best' players instead favoring the committee and sponsors boys. We all know that when it comes to seniors the 'big' clubs will recruit from wherever to ensure success, from interstate and overseas - this pathway notion just will not happen. And we all know that these 'big' clubs have had the opportunity to develop players over many years and their track record is not that good...

So why don't FFSA know this and choose to further strengthen this cartel

I say let the 'top' 6-7 clubs have their mini league - the rest of us form a junior league that is based on merit and your junior development structure - a league formed on this basis will ensure we all retain and continue to develop the 'best' players in our clubs (where the boys want to be) as well as those late bloomers
I find that ideas and plans have more relevance when they come from either - a long term forum member, or better still - a person with a name.
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We can't all have four digit post counts. :P
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Die Toten Hosen wrote:We can't all have four digit post counts. :P
We can have real names, or at least some semblance of the real thing :mrgreen:
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Holteender wrote:Who's with me?

FFSA are determined to introduce a junior league structure that disadvantages so many clubs and discriminates against players who may develop at a slower rate than others (I.e. these late bloomers will be denied the opportunity to play with and against the 'best' players)

We all know the so called 'big' clubs only interest in juniors is the amount of money they can glean from the system for their seniors. We all know that they will not necessarily pick and play the 'best' players instead favoring the committee and sponsors boys. We all know that when it comes to seniors the 'big' clubs will recruit from wherever to ensure success, from interstate and overseas - this pathway notion just will not happen. And we all know that these 'big' clubs have had the opportunity to develop players over many years and their track record is not that good...

So why don't FFSA know this and choose to further strengthen this cartel

I say let the 'top' 6-7 clubs have their mini league - the rest of us form a junior league that is based on merit and your junior development structure - a league formed on this basis will ensure we all retain and continue to develop the 'best' players in our clubs (where the boys want to be) as well as those late bloomers
Why go to all the hassle of making a new league ??

Just join E&D .... they have tables, relegation and promotion from u10s, and kids can play on a big pitch from u9s, so plenty of room for them to run around on
With this already all in place for you, you can develop as many players you want, and not have to worry about the 'big' clubs

And yes, you can join from anywhere in Adelaide, as Athelstone and Stingrays have

The more clubs from around Adelaide you get to 'breaking away' with you, the less you'll have to travel, so it's a win/win for you

So don't have the hassle of starting all over again, just join what's already available
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Good one!
ZJ had just retired from the other junior restructure thread....now you've given him a back in clause

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El Paso del Norte wrote:Good one!
ZJ had just retired from the other junior restructure thread....now you've given him a back in clause

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Holteender wrote:Who's with me?

FFSA are determined to introduce a junior league structure that disadvantages so many clubs and discriminates against players who may develop at a slower rate than others (I.e. these late bloomers will be denied the opportunity to play with and against the 'best' players)

We all know the so called 'big' clubs only interest in juniors is the amount of money they can glean from the system for their seniors. We all know that they will not necessarily pick and play the 'best' players instead favoring the committee and sponsors boys. We all know that when it comes to seniors the 'big' clubs will recruit from wherever to ensure success, from interstate and overseas........
Are you Clive Palmer in disguise?

Think you can rule the world, but can't even get the most basic facts right.
Time for some righteous indignation
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Stitch This wrote:
Holteender wrote:Who's with me?

FFSA are determined to introduce a junior league structure that disadvantages so many clubs and discriminates against players who may develop at a slower rate than others (I.e. these late bloomers will be denied the opportunity to play with and against the 'best' players)

We all know the so called 'big' clubs only interest in juniors is the amount of money they can glean from the system for their seniors. We all know that they will not necessarily pick and play the 'best' players instead favoring the committee and sponsors boys. We all know that when it comes to seniors the 'big' clubs will recruit from wherever to ensure success, from interstate and overseas........
Are you Clive Palmer in disguise?

Think you can rule the world, but can't even get the most basic facts right.
what about just get into football matters and improve our coaches and players. Any structure would work if junior coaches had development mentality and then let senior level(u18 u20 Senior squads) shape skillfull players in winning teams.
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Holteender wrote:Who's with me?

FFSA are determined to introduce a junior league structure that disadvantages so many clubs and discriminates against players who may develop at a slower rate than others (I.e. these late bloomers will be denied the opportunity to play with and against the 'best' players)

We all know the so called 'big' clubs only interest in juniors is the amount of money they can glean from the system for their seniors. We all know that they will not necessarily pick and play the 'best' players instead favoring the committee and sponsors boys. We all know that when it comes to seniors the 'big' clubs will recruit from wherever to ensure success, from interstate and overseas - this pathway notion just will not happen. And we all know that these 'big' clubs have had the opportunity to develop players over many years and their track record is not that good...

So why don't FFSA know this and choose to further strengthen this cartel

I say let the 'top' 6-7 clubs have their mini league - the rest of us form a junior league that is based on merit and your junior development structure - a league formed on this basis will ensure we all retain and continue to develop the 'best' players in our clubs (where the boys want to be) as well as those late bloomers

Now that was a lot over reactive stupidity!

How many junior teams in current State League clubs are currently “highest level” as a lot are referring it to.. the answer is not many .!!

The new structure will give the opportunity for all the kids at least two of those clubs each year to play at the “highest level” .. at least two PL clubs will go down and play SL for at least a year.

When you think about it is more fair an equitable in a lot of ways than the current format.

How many of the junior “guns” in the State League clubs stay on in under achieving SL teams anyway a lot would no doubt be poached to other clubs or follow the “glory” of playing Div 1 ...for a while anyway.

The new structure may just keep a lot of these kids at their club longer especially if they find their club will be promoted.

There are a lot of current Div 2 or 3 kids ie White City, Comets etc etc maybe even Sth Ad/Pirates or Modbury who will now be given the opportunity to play at the “highest level” when otherwise they wouldn’t have.

Those non affiliated FFSA Senior clubs with juniors in the FFSA will be in exactly the same situation as has been any way just a name change from JSL to Junior League so cant see any big deal there.
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Coach_Mulatinho wrote:
Stitch This wrote:
Holteender wrote:Who's with me?

FFSA are determined to introduce a junior league structure that disadvantages so many clubs and discriminates against players who may develop at a slower rate than others (I.e. these late bloomers will be denied the opportunity to play with and against the 'best' players)

We all know the so called 'big' clubs only interest in juniors is the amount of money they can glean from the system for their seniors. We all know that they will not necessarily pick and play the 'best' players instead favoring the committee and sponsors boys. We all know that when it comes to seniors the 'big' clubs will recruit from wherever to ensure success, from interstate and overseas........
Are you Clive Palmer in disguise?

Think you can rule the world, but can't even get the most basic facts right.
what about just get into football matters and improve our coaches and players. Any structure would work if junior coaches had development mentality and then let senior level(u18 u20 Senior squads) shape skillfull players in winning teams.
+1

(the +1 is for Mulatinho and Stitch this not the original quoted post by the way!)
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To be fair, good chance he's a Villa supporter and we all know what they're capable of :wink:
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go for it i say....and good luck.

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Željko Jurin wrote:
Holteender wrote:Who's with me?

FFSA are determined to introduce a junior league structure that disadvantages so many clubs and discriminates against players who may develop at a slower rate than others (I.e. these late bloomers will be denied the opportunity to play with and against the 'best' players)

We all know the so called 'big' clubs only interest in juniors is the amount of money they can glean from the system for their seniors. We all know that they will not necessarily pick and play the 'best' players instead favoring the committee and sponsors boys. We all know that when it comes to seniors the 'big' clubs will recruit from wherever to ensure success, from interstate and overseas - this pathway notion just will not happen. And we all know that these 'big' clubs have had the opportunity to develop players over many years and their track record is not that good...

So why don't FFSA know this and choose to further strengthen this cartel

I say let the 'top' 6-7 clubs have their mini league - the rest of us form a junior league that is based on merit and your junior development structure - a league formed on this basis will ensure we all retain and continue to develop the 'best' players in our clubs (where the boys want to be) as well as those late bloomers
Why go to all the hassle of making a new league ??

Just join E&D .... they have tables, relegation and promotion from u10s, and kids can play on a big pitch from u9s, so plenty of room for them to run around on
With this already all in place for you, you can develop as many players you want, and not have to worry about the 'big' clubs

And yes, you can join from anywhere in Adelaide, as Athelstone and Stingrays have

The more clubs from around Adelaide you get to 'breaking away' with you, the less you'll have to travel, so it's a win/win for you

So don't have the hassle of starting all over again, just join what's already available
well said ZJ and they have a good ref system to match which is a little tammer on the bumping side of the game but standards were good and is well worth a look and see what their about as juniors now go to 18's
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League already created 2014 I figure

Jpl B's will play in junior league and will be equivalent to JSL A's - so for good comp the state league teams (and lower prem league) should play their A' in junior league

Junior league likely to be zone based

A fair competition is created in junior league - we mix it up via the cup - we send our best boys to play against each other via STIC
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How about we just get E&D to run the the juniors in FFSA, they seem to have more of an idea and don't swap and change every 2 years.
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Redflag wrote:How about we just get E&D to run the the juniors in FFSA, they seem to have more of an idea and don't swap and change every 2 years.
Spot on, they haven't changed since 1965
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paul merson wrote:
Redflag wrote:How about we just get E&D to run the the juniors in FFSA, they seem to have more of an idea and don't swap and change every 2 years.
Spot on, they haven't changed since 1965
:lol:

i had a mum tell me how proud she was that her son kicked a goal kick over the half way line at todays game

i asked her, why was he trying to kick the ball over the half way line?

she said they were playing the top side and the coach wanted them to get the ball up there as quickly as possible so that they could score a goal before the other team got a chance to! :shock: :lol:
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i had a mum tell me how proud she was that her son kicked a goal kick over the half way line at todays game

i asked her, why was he trying to kick the ball over the half way line?

she said they were playing the top side and the coach wanted them to get the ball up there as quickly as possible so that they could score a goal before the other team got a chance to! :shock: :lol:[/quote]

and let me guess...the player taking the goalkick wasnt even the goal keeper...
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paul merson wrote:
Redflag wrote:How about we just get E&D to run the the juniors in FFSA, they seem to have more of an idea and don't swap and change every 2 years.
Spot on, they haven't changed since 1965
plenty of players have come out of there though and not all are sh*t or would you class Doddy as an unworthy example.

no one would deny they could do things better eg. all coaches have to display photo ID at every game and player photo ID must be presented on demand, if people did a bit of research they may have a better picture of the what the FFSA don't do.
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fossil wrote:
paul merson wrote:
Redflag wrote:How about we just get E&D to run the the juniors in FFSA, they seem to have more of an idea and don't swap and change every 2 years.
Spot on, they haven't changed since 1965
plenty of players have come out of there though and not all are sh*t or would you class Doddy as an unworthy example.

no one would deny they could do things better eg. all coaches have to display photo ID at every game and player photo ID must be presented on demand, if people did a bit of research they may have a better picture of the what the FFSA don't do.
I started my football at Elizabeth Grove, so yes I know many players that came through E&D and yes it produced a few good players, but that doesnt mean you dont update your model, its like Ferrari winning the 95 F1 world championship so sticking with the same car for the next 50 years. The game has evolved and better development methods have evolved, thats what Im getting too, not just a rubbish the E&D session, Im not the sort of person that forgets where they came from.

Its been proven kids need to be on relivent size pitches, GK's should be learning the game before learing their own specific position, thats where E&D needs to look, not photo id's ect thats just the result of ugly adult influence into the kids game, next season Im coaching an under 7's team, do I care if ABE (just using them as a reference no reason other than they are close) decide to play and under 10 to win, i have no interest in that, Ive been given a job by my club to improve a group of children as footballers so they are ready for under 8's, thats all.
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Mers, are you related to Tony Abbott ?

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Željko Jurin wrote:Mers, are you related to Tony Abbott ?

Well said
Tony Abbott? no way, I'd have a back bench full of chicks!

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