Query on Campbelltown U16

[Cha Ching]

Again Beach, Birkalla are struggling to field a team on Sundays and are juggling things as best they can.
As previously mentioned FFSA have instructed them they must field a team. So that answers your question about what FFSA are doing.
I assume if you are an opposition player / parent having to change your plans once or twice a season is not really the end of the world.Also if it is changed to midweek the boys loving playing under lights for a change

WELL SAID!!
They are not the only club/team that has had to juggle games to other times, days etc and they have a heap of make up games to fit in to, we all have to give and take so that the boys can play.
"Mancity has explained the situation at Birkalla very clearly, you are appearing to be too selfish to understand".


Time to move on I would think !!

[beach]

My concern here is where a situation like this will take our game. It is obvious that Birkalla does not have an under 16 squad, so should they be allowed to field an whole team made of players from other age groups, or not?

If a club enters a team for an age group, shouldn't they have sufficient players for that age. Shouldn't they play their games at the same time as every other team so that, win or lose, there wouldn't be any concerns about stacking, or cheating.

Midweek games always draw suspicion. Most teams will agree to the odd one, to help another team, because of bad weather, cup runs, etc., but an whole season of them.

[Cha Ching]

My concern here is where a situation like this will take our game. It is obvious that Birkalla does not have an under 16 squad, so should they be allowed to field an whole team made of players from other age groups, or not?

If a club enters a team for an age group, shouldn't they have sufficient players for that age. Shouldn't they play their games at the same time as every other team so that, win or lose, there wouldn't be any concerns about stacking, or cheating.

Midweek games always draw suspicion. Most teams will agree to the odd one, to help another team, because of bad weather, cup runs, etc., but an whole season of them.

And it was ok for OTHER CLUBS to do it all last year? And no one had a problem with that?? I suspect that if Para Hills had WON there would not even be this thread.
TIME TO JUST GET OVER IT!!!!

[Nice One Cyril]

If you're playing in a U16s competition and the players that take to the park are all 16 or under, where's the problem?

Who gives a flying fuck whether they've played first team on Saturday, they're still eligible to play U16s if they and the club choose.

[Spriggy]

If you're playing in a U16s competition and the players that take to the park are all 16 or under, where's the problem?

Who gives a flying shiraz whether they've played first team on Saturday, they're still eligible to play U16s if they and the club choose.

Thats exactly right and actually for that matter, apparently Birkalla DO have several U16 eligible boys who play in the U18's ( 1 is an ex SASI, plus a an extrememly good GK)........If it was about winning the league & stacking teams then perhaps that would be a good option...... BUT they have chosen to play mostly u15's UP for experience, to fill the gaps in the team INSTEAD. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The rest being U16's that some of these are 15 too.

To Nice one Cyril,....(Where's the problem?).... Apparently The problem is that they beat the top team on the ladder and a person affilitated with that team is kicking up a stink & does not want to gracefully accept that they lost fairly to a squad of younger players.

[Željko Jurin]

Fact 1/ Some kids at Birkalla are playing 2 games a week .... TICK, good on them I say, the more the better

Fact 2/ All these kids are the right age or younger when they play in both age groups ..... TICK, nothing wrong with that

So how is this 'cheating' or 'stacking' ????

It is actually develping these kids by giving them more games

PLAY ON !!

[ikon]

Fact 1/ Some kids at Birkalla are playing 2 games a week .... TICK, good on them I say, the more the better

Fact 2/ All these kids are the right age or younger when they play in both age groups ..... TICK, nothing wrong with that

So how is this 'cheating' or 'stacking' ????

It is actually develping these kids by giving them more games

PLAY ON !!

+ 1
we dont play enough games....

[mancity]

Exactly right Zeljko.
Its not that difficult to comprehend is it

[beach]

Where is the problem? You mean Problems.
1
I am all for player development, and I'm sure everybody is. But, most players can not play two games a week because the other age groups play on a Sunday, most likely at a different ground, or in the case of the 17s in the game before the 16s. If though, you can change all of your U16 games to midweek nights you can ask the whole U15 squad to turn out, and the U17s, U18s coaches won't mind if you need one or two of their U16s to fill the team. Meaning you Can play two games a week.
2
In previous years if a player played more than 4 games with a different year group they were deemed to have changed squads. This hasn't been brought up in this thread.
3
The other problem is Birkalla are worried that if they win a seniors league that they would be challenged as to why they do not have an U16s squad in the JPL. Same for Western Strikers who pulled out, but realised they had to have a team in the JPL.

[Spriggy]

Where is the problem? You mean Problems.
1
I am all for player development, and I'm sure everybody is. But, most players can not play two games a week because the other age groups play on a Sunday, most likely at a different ground, or in the case of the 17s in the game before the 16s. If though, you can change all of your U16 games to midweek nights you can ask the whole U15 squad to turn out, and the U17s, U18s coaches won't mind if you need one or two of their U16s to fill the team. Meaning you Can play two games a week.
2
In previous years if a player played more than 4 games with a different year group they were deemed to have changed squads. This hasn't been brought up in this thread.
3
The other problem is Birkalla are worried that if they win a seniors league that they would be challenged as to why they do not have an U16s squad in the JPL. Same for Western Strikers who pulled out, but realised they had to have a team in the JPL.

I think you have mis understood things......
They DONT use the boys from the 18's, its not the whole U15 squad that plays. The u/15's are used to fill the gaps, they do have an U/16 as they had boys trialled for the team, but most of these jsut happen to be 15 as well, hence why the team is pretty much U/15. The club advertised for more players and use the U 15's squad to make up the numbers. Some of the U16 boys get a run with the 17's aswell as sometimes with injuries & winter colds & flus they need subs too.
SO REALLY WHAT IS THE PROBLEM??????????

[themessenger]

Where is the problem? You mean Problems.
1
I am all for player development, and I'm sure everybody is. But, most players can not play two games a week because the other age groups play on a Sunday, most likely at a different ground, or in the case of the 17s in the game before the 16s. If though, you can change all of your U16 games to midweek nights you can ask the whole U15 squad to turn out, and the U17s, U18s coaches won't mind if you need one or two of their U16s to fill the team. Meaning you Can play two games a week.
2
In previous years if a player played more than 4 games with a different year group they were deemed to have changed squads. This hasn't been brought up in this thread.
3
The other problem is Birkalla are worried that if they win a seniors league that they would be challenged as to why they do not have an U16s squad in the JPL. Same for Western Strikers who pulled out, but realised they had to have a team in the JPL.

I think you have mis understood things......
They DONT use the boys from the 18's, its not the whole U15 squad that plays. The u/15's are used to fill the gaps, they do have an U/16 as they had boys trialled for the team, but most of these jsut happen to be 15 as well, hence why the team is pretty much U/15. The club advertised for more players and use the U 15's squad to make up the numbers. Some of the U16 boys get a run with the 17's aswell as sometimes with injuries & winter colds & flus they need subs too.
SO REALLY WHAT IS THE PROBLEM??????????

maybe the problem other clubs have is that the team appears to be playing all their matches mid week rather than Sundays (?)

[Bobby B]

Where is the problem? You mean Problems.
1
I am all for player development, and I'm sure everybody is. But, most players can not play two games a week because the other age groups play on a Sunday, most likely at a different ground, or in the case of the 17s in the game before the 16s. If though, you can change all of your U16 games to midweek nights you can ask the whole U15 squad to turn out, and the U17s, U18s coaches won't mind if you need one or two of their U16s to fill the team. Meaning you Can play two games a week.
2
In previous years if a player played more than 4 games with a different year group they were deemed to have changed squads. This hasn't been brought up in this thread.
3
The other problem is Birkalla are worried that if they win a seniors league that they would be challenged as to why they do not have an U16s squad in the JPL. Same for Western Strikers who pulled out, but realised they had to have a team in the JPL.

I think you have mis understood things......
They DONT use the boys from the 18's, its not the whole U15 squad that plays. The u/15's are used to fill the gaps, they do have an U/16 as they had boys trialled for the team, but most of these jsut happen to be 15 as well, hence why the team is pretty much U/15. The club advertised for more players and use the U 15's squad to make up the numbers. Some of the U16 boys get a run with the 17's aswell as sometimes with injuries & winter colds & flus they need subs too.
SO REALLY WHAT IS THE PROBLEM??????????

maybe the problem other clubs have is that the team appears to be playing all their matches mid week rather than Sundays (?)

And if you are scheduled to Play a couple of night games it is a big traumatic problem because....... WHY?????????????????

I have been around club soccer for over 10 years and have never had a season yet when havent had to go out for night games.....beside the fact that the kids love it!!!

I am not from either of these clubs, and have been reading above and it is ridiculous that this person is making such a big thing about having to play a night game or 2.......honestly who cares. AND It has also been explained in a 100 different ways how they making up the team, seroiusly get over it......

I also agree with what somebody else said that this carrying on and even this thread would probably be non existant if P.H had not lost the game. They just need to get over it and accept that they lost a game.

[Cha Ching]

Where is the problem? You mean Problems.
1
I am all for player development, and I'm sure everybody is. But, most players can not play two games a week because the other age groups play on a Sunday, most likely at a different ground, or in the case of the 17s in the game before the 16s. If though, you can change all of your U16 games to midweek nights you can ask the whole U15 squad to turn out, and the U17s, U18s coaches won't mind if you need one or two of their U16s to fill the team. Meaning you Can play two games a week.
2
In previous years if a player played more than 4 games with a different year group they were deemed to have changed squads. This hasn't been brought up in this thread.
3
The other problem is Birkalla are worried that if they win a seniors league that they would be challenged as to why they do not have an U16s squad in the JPL. Same for Western Strikers who pulled out, but realised they had to have a team in the JPL.

I think you have mis understood things......
They DONT use the boys from the 18's, its not the whole U15 squad that plays. The u/15's are used to fill the gaps, they do have an U/16 as they had boys trialled for the team, but most of these jsut happen to be 15 as well, hence why the team is pretty much U/15. The club advertised for more players and use the U 15's squad to make up the numbers. Some of the U16 boys get a run with the 17's aswell as sometimes with injuries & winter colds & flus they need subs too.
SO REALLY WHAT IS THE PROBLEM??????????

maybe the problem other clubs have is that the team appears to be playing all their matches mid week rather than Sundays (?)

SO REALLY WHAT IS THE PROBLEM????????? If you have to go out at night to play a couple of games and its that much of a drama for you, then I feel sorry for you.

[Adrenalin]

The very reason this tread started is that some clubs --- for all reasons that are valid and true--- have managed to change match schedules with little or no information going out to the opposing clubs.

But when you do ask the FFSA for reasons why, they point you in all sorts of directions (ask your junior coordinator, ask your coach, ask the club who initiated the change etcetera). Do you get clear answers no sir not a freakin sausage. They don't even know why their ref doesn't turn up on the day.

There's got to be a system in place so that parents are informed that's all...but no...finding answers within the realms of the FFSA is all too hard.

Oh well, I think maybe and somewhat conclude that parents are better off idly accepting whatever schedule is given by the FFSA , shut up and adjust accordingly.. so that little Johnny can do what he enjoys doing.

[Željko Jurin]

Oh well, I think maybe and somewhat conclude that parents are better off idly accepting whatever schedule is given by the FFSA , shut up and adjust accordingly.. so that little Johnny can do what he enjoys doing.

[Adrenalin]

Thanks for referring to my last statement Zelko I realise it can be interpreted in many different ways.

We sacrifice a lot so that our kids can play and enjoy their football...all the more challenging when one can't get informed answers to simple questions.

[beach]

Best for all contributors to this thread that they see for themselves what this debate is about. See below Birkalla U16s fixtures for 2013. I thought juniors was a Sunday league. Can someone explain what are valid reasons for playing midweek games? Waterlogged pitches, backlogs following cup runs, and so on.
If this changing of games to midweek nights is ok with you, then should we all be asking our clubs to do the same. Give our kids the chance to play two games a week.

RND DATE TIME VENUE/COURT SCORE OPPOSITION
1 11/08/13 (Sun) 12:00 Jack Smith Park Gawler
2 21/07/13 (Sun) 09:00 Cove Sports & Community Club Cove
3 10/05/13 (Fri) 19:30 Carnegie Reserve 6v2 Western Strikers
4 21/04/13 (Sun) 13:00 Barratt Reserve 1v5 Pirates
5 25/04/13 (Thu) 15:00 Burragah Reserve 2v1 Modbury
6 23/06/13 (Sun) 09:15 Weigall Oval 0f3 Adelaide Cobras
7 17/05/13 (Fri) 19:00 Frank Mitchell Park 3v3 White City
8 30/06/13 (Sun) 12:00 Jack Smith Park Seaford
9 12/06/13 (Wed) 19:45 The Paddocks 2v1 Para Hills
10 16/06/13 (Sun) 12:00 Karbeethan Reserve 0v2 Gawler
11 06/06/13 (Thu) 18:45 SAWSA Park 5v2 Cove
12 11/07/13 (Thu) 18:45 SAWSA Park Western Strikers
13 28/07/13 (Sun) 12:00 Pirate Park Pirates
14 01/08/13 (Thu) 18:45 SAWSA Park Modbury
15 08/08/13 (Thu) 18:45 SAWSA Park Adelaide Cobras
16 22/08/13 (Thu) 18:45 SAWSA Park White City
17 01/09/13 (Sun) 12:00 Karingal Reserve Seaford
18 05/09/13 (Thu) 18:45 SAWSA Park Para Hills

[The moyesiah]

Theres only one reason why it is allowed, because the FFSA do not want to enforce their rules upon birkalla.

2.2 Clubs that participate in the Senior Men’s Premier League must field the following
teams in the Junior Premier League and Small Sided Games:
a. Under 16s
b. Under 12s, 13s, 14s, 15s,
c. Small Sided Games –Under 6 to Under 11

So don't blame Birkalla they are just doing what they can to not breach the rules and get a fine or relegated (whatever the law states) and the FFSA is turning a blind eye to any possible rule bending or breaking (player movement) to get this team played.

[Spriggy]

Best for all contributors to this thread that they see for themselves what this debate is about. See below Birkalla U16s fixtures for 2013. I thought juniors was a Sunday league. Can someone explain what are valid reasons for playing midweek games? Waterlogged pitches, backlogs following cup runs, and so on.
If this changing of games to midweek nights is ok with you, then should we all be asking our clubs to do the same. Give our kids the chance to play two games a week.

RND DATE TIME VENUE/COURT SCORE OPPOSITION
1 11/08/13 (Sun) 12:00 Jack Smith Park Gawler
2 21/07/13 (Sun) 09:00 Cove Sports & Community Club Cove
3 10/05/13 (Fri) 19:30 Carnegie Reserve 6v2 Western Strikers
4 21/04/13 (Sun) 13:00 Barratt Reserve 1v5 Pirates
5 25/04/13 (Thu) 15:00 Burragah Reserve 2v1 Modbury
6 23/06/13 (Sun) 09:15 Weigall Oval 0f3 Adelaide Cobras
7 17/05/13 (Fri) 19:00 Frank Mitchell Park 3v3 White City
8 30/06/13 (Sun) 12:00 Jack Smith Park Seaford
9 12/06/13 (Wed) 19:45 The Paddocks 2v1 Para Hills
10 16/06/13 (Sun) 12:00 Karbeethan Reserve 0v2 Gawler
11 06/06/13 (Thu) 18:45 SAWSA Park 5v2 Cove
12 11/07/13 (Thu) 18:45 SAWSA Park Western Strikers
13 28/07/13 (Sun) 12:00 Pirate Park Pirates
14 01/08/13 (Thu) 18:45 SAWSA Park Modbury
15 08/08/13 (Thu) 18:45 SAWSA Park Adelaide Cobras
16 22/08/13 (Thu) 18:45 SAWSA Park White City
17 01/09/13 (Sun) 12:00 Karingal Reserve Seaford
18 05/09/13 (Thu) 18:45 SAWSA Park Para Hills

Your overally obsessed with this mate. I thought it had been explained to you several times why. Are you seriously that stressed about the fact that you lost a game and want to blame it on being a night game????? You are still on top of the league so perhaps you need to calm down before you have a heart attack.

I also can not imagine you being able to cope with having to play games at night every week, as you seem to be extrememely traumatised having to go out at night twice in a season.

And if your club also has teams that need players to move up to fill in gaps when needed and get some development, then yes those kids get an opportunity to play 2 games.

[Spriggy]

Theres only one reason why it is allowed, because the FFSA do not want to enforce their rules upon birkalla.

2.2 Clubs that participate in the Senior Men’s Premier League must field the following
teams in the Junior Premier League and Small Sided Games:
a. Under 16s
b. Under 12s, 13s, 14s, 15s,
c. Small Sided Games –Under 6 to Under 11

So don't blame Birkalla they are just doing what they can to not breach the rules and get a fine or relegated (whatever the law states) and the FFSA is turning a blind eye to any possible rule bending or breaking (player movement) to get this team played.

I am pretty sure you will find that there has been NO rule bending/breaking in fielding the team. They should be congratulated for when needed they have given they opportunity for younger players to play up. They could easily use age eligible players from the 18's as they are not tied to another junior team but HAVE NOT. Birkalla have done nothing wrong, broken no rules and have not done any team stacking.

[beach]

Birkalla

Just playing for development reasons ?

Not playing to win the league ?

Not making other teams move games times ?

Soon as you realised you had no chance in the 15As you've made the 16Bs your priority. Didn't stack the team against top of the league White City hey?

What you have done this year puts the WIN AT ALL COSTS label well and truly on your front door.

[lion66]

Lets get back to the original question. What's happened to Campbelltown have they dropped the ball? Someone may have called it to early.

[The Kings Jesta]

Birkalla

Just playing for development reasons ?

Not playing to win the league ?

Not making other teams move games times ?

Soon as you realised you had no chance in the 15As you've made the 16Bs your priority. Didn't stack the team against top of the league White City hey?

What you have done this year puts the WIN AT ALL COSTS label well and truly on your front door.

Would be interesting to have you clarify exactly how Birks stacked the team against White City?
You stated at the start of this thread that there were no home games listed on Sporting Pulse for Birks 16s, yet in the fixture list there are multiple Jack Smith park and Barrett Reserve venues listed for fixtures.

[OldGold]

If you're playing in a U16s competition and the players that take to the park are all 16 or under, where's the problem?

Who gives a flying shiraz whether they've played first team on Saturday, they're still eligible to play U16s if they and the club choose.

Yep well said!

The only problem I would have is if a club had more than one team in the same age group, ie; Cumberland U/16 ( no I'm not accusing them of doing anything just using them as an example) and were dropping "A" grade players down to the "B" team for harder games and some of the B team players would then be on the bench or not playing at all to accommodate them.

That's not development, its win at all costs!

[Nice One Cyril]

If you're playing in a U16s competition and the players that take to the park are all 16 or under, where's the problem?

Who gives a flying shiraz whether they've played first team on Saturday, they're still eligible to play U16s if they and the club choose.

Yep well said!

The only problem I would have is if a club had more than one team in the same age group, ie; Cumberland U/16 ( no I'm not accusing them of doing anything just using them as an example) and were dropping "A" grade players down to the "B" team for harder games and some of the B team players would then be on the bench or not playing at all to accommodate them.

That's not development, its win at all costs!

I agree entirely, but even that would be an internal issue and stuff all to do with any other clubs.

[Adrenalin]

Lets get back to the original question. What's happened to Campbelltown have they dropped the ball? Someone may have called it to early.

Hi Lion,

Update for you, Campbelltown is leading the U16 comps ---they are poised to win the league but much depends on how the Raiders (2nd) and AC (3rd with game in hand) play their last couple of games.

Tread started because during the early goings, Campbelltown were not playing as scheduled ---they have followed the schedule since.

In the main it was about the need to give prior reasonable notice to parent /drivers and getting consent from the opposing team before FFSA decides to re-schedule games with reckless abandon.

That being said I realise that (and I quote my son's club coach) "unfortunately we are in the hands of a governing body the FFSA that coudn't organise a kid's jelly and ice cream party".

E.g. we were notified of a (re-scheduled) night game with less than 20 hours notice last week!

[Green_Manalishi]

In the main it was about the need to give prior re
asonable notice to parent /drivers and getting consent from the opposing team before FFSA decides to re-schedule games with reckless abandon.
That being said I realise that (and I quote my son's club coach) "unfortunately we are in the hands of a governing body the FFSA that coudn't organise a kid's jelly and ice cream party".

E.g. we were notified of a (re-scheduled) night game with less than 20 hours notice last week!

Rescheduling games is the responsibility of your junior coordinators is it not? FFSA role is only to give approval for any changes and arrange referees.

[Adrenalin]

In the main it was about the need to give prior re
asonable notice to parent /drivers and getting consent from the opposing team before FFSA decides to re-schedule games with reckless abandon.
That being said I realise that (and I quote my son's club coach) "unfortunately we are in the hands of a governing body the FFSA that coudn't organise a kid's jelly and ice cream party".

E.g. we were notified of a (re-scheduled) night game with less than 20 hours notice last week!

Rescheduling games is the responsibility of your junior coordinators is it not? FFSA role is only to give approval for any changes and arrange referees.

Totally agree with you Green_Manalishi. That would be a "blue sky scenario" for everyone.
Hopefully, FFSA could get to that end soon...or next season/s.

[Spriggy]

Birkalla

Just playing for development reasons ?

Not playing to win the league ?

Not making other teams move games times ?

Soon as you realised you had no chance in the 15As you've made the 16Bs your priority. Didn't stack the team against top of the league White City hey?

What you have done this year puts the WIN AT ALL COSTS label well and truly on your front door.

Beach please tell us how it is team stacking when most of those players are actually eligible to play U15's?????

And How can you say the U15 have done no good, when they are currently sitting 4th which is nothing to be ashamed of AND they made it to the final of both Man U cup and FFSA cups......so those kids have very done well!!!!!

You seem to just be a bitter person who can not accept a loss gracefully......not a good example to the kids!!!

[Big Mac]

Birkalla

Just playing for development reasons ?

Not playing to win the league ?

Not making other teams move games times ?

Soon as you realised you had no chance in the 15As you've made the 16Bs your priority. Didn't stack the team against top of the league White City hey?

What you have done this year puts the WIN AT ALL COSTS label well and truly on your front door.

Beach please tell us how it is team stacking when most of those players are actually eligible to play U15's?????

And How can you say the U15 have done no good, when they are currently sitting 4th which is nothing to be ashamed of AND they made it to the final of both Man U cup and FFSA cups......so those kids have very done well!!!!!

You seem to just be a bitter person who can not accept a loss gracefully......not a good example to the kids!!!

I thought WA and WC were in the FFSA U15 Cup Final?