Taping/recording junior matches is it allowed

[hemishovel]

Hi, Can teams tape or record junior games without getting an official club member or other team's permission or consent.

[Armageddon]

thought the law was u had to get permission.

[hemishovel]

thought the law was u had to get permission.

I thought it was too.One of the parents approached the ref and was told it had nothing to do with him or ffsa

[bandito]

I was told that if its for `coaching purposes`its allowed. How you establish this don't know......

[The moyesiah]

I believe it matters if it's private land or council owned, standing behind a fence, or within a fence. Either way I am sure it needs approval by the owners of the land or stand outside, I could be wrong, but I think this is around the mark.

In fact today at my sons game I saw three recordings, and two people with very long zoom still cameras, at one stage the ref asked one to move from behind the goal and we were not asked if we minded if any of this was done.

[jimbo_jones]

I was just thinking the same thing. I want to tape my boy play so I can go over some key points with him after the game, but didn't know if I was allowed. He is 15 but playing 18's so not sure on how that works.

[hemishovel]

I believe it matters if it's private land or council owned, standing behind a fence, or within a fence. Either way I am sure it needs approval by the owners of the land or stand outside, I could be wrong, but I think this is around the mark.

In fact today at my sons game I saw three recordings, and two people with very long zoom still cameras, at one stage the ref asked one to move from behind the goal and we were not asked if we minded if any of this was done.

How about standing on a club room roof and filming.

[johnydep]

Hi, Can teams tape or record junior games without getting an official club member or other team's permission or consent.

http://www.kdsa.asn.au/UserFiles/File/F ... 0Video.pdf

[themessenger]

Hi, Can teams tape or record junior games without getting an official club member or other team's permission or consent.

http://www.kdsa.asn.au/UserFiles/File/F ... 0Video.pdf

Videoing of matches is permitted.

We have parents and grandparents filming and taking photos at some of our junior matches to collect video which is shown at the end of year presentation day or for stories on the club website. As part of the club membership form for junior players the parent signs to say it is ok to take/use photos of their child for these purposes.

[mancity]

Correct, it is permitted.

As long as whatever is recorded is for "private" use only.
Ie. Cant be published on you tube and so forth.

We had this issue at cricket a couple of years ago and now recommend if anyone plans to record the game for a long period of time as a matter of courtesy they let the opposition manager know.

Kids reviewing their performance on video is one of the best forms of coaching I believe.

[Relegated]

Ive been through this nonsense before. Its council land, so it cant be stopped.

If anyone objects to you filming, tell them to call the cops..they wont even bother coming out.

[The Kings Jesta]

How else do people expect their child to get a genuine shot at "the big" leagues? Send video footage, if they like what they see, they'll ask you over for a trial (at your expense and with no promise of acceptance). I have had 1 player that I have almost had to beg the parents to film him and send the tapes OS as they weren't really aware of how good his is (luckily he recently made the Joeys training camp and is in the NTC/SASI squad so he's starting to get in front of the right people).
If you feel your child is good enough, get tapes sent out asap, if you wait until they are adults and so there is no issue with under age people being filmed it is often already too late.

And with all that said, isn't it a sad reflection of the world that this is even a topic: whether or not a parent can film their child's life if for nothing more than some ammo for the 21st... I mean to reflect on later in life. Heaps of my school games were filmed in the 80s and my parents edited and added music for a highlights reel for all the kids, we loved it, made us feel like superstars on TV.

[redmum]

Ive been through this nonsense before. Its council land, so it cant be stopped.

If anyone objects to you filming, tell them to call the cops..they wont even bother coming out.

Disagree. Sorry.
Filming of minors can be stopped.

You may have to produce evidence of what you will be using the footage for, and if any other member of the public is going to be viewing it, you can be refused permission unless you sign to say little Freddy's face will be pixalled out.

A parent has every right to ask you to stop filming their child, no matter where you are.

I act as official photographer for my sons club. Last couple of seasons I have posted the weekly games shots on the clubs website and Facebook page. I had to get signed permission from he parents for this.
This year one parent has an issue with their child's photo going online, so, while I can still photograph, I cannot upload any photo with their child in.

Just like you must sign a consent form at kindy/school for them to use you'd child in any sort of media...

[johnydep]

The Law Relating to Photography/Video

The information below has been taken directly from the Australian Sports Commission web site and deals specifically with photography of children. In Australia, generally speaking, there is no law restricting photography of people (including children) in public spaces as long as the images are not considered as:

• • indecent (such as “up skirt” or “downblouse” photographs taken covertly in change rooms, toilets or other invasions of privacy)
  • being used for voyeurism or made for the purpose of observing and visually recording the other person’s genital or anal region
  • protected by a court order (eg. child custody or witness protection)
  • defamatory
  • being for commercial purposes (person’s likeness is used to entice people to buy or it appears they are endorsing a product). This may require a Model Release/Consent Form to be signed

Consensual photos of a child (including your own child) also contravene Criminal Codes and censorship laws if the child is photographed in a provocative or sexual manner.

Where a sporting event is held on a club’s private property, privately owned land, a school or council owned facilities, the owners of private property or venues are able to restrict or ban photography (e.g. some council owned facilities will not allow mobile phones or cameras in change rooms or toilets).

Where a sporting event is held on private property not owned by the organisers, there needs to be a discussion with the owners to determine a mutually agreed photographing policy. There is nothing, however, to prevent a person from photographing outside the property boundary unless it is taken for indecent purposes, as previously discussed.

Many facilities do not allow the use of mobile phones (regardless of whether they have camera features) in change rooms and some local government pools require permission for photography anywhere in their venue.

If a person is taking photographs inappropriately (e.g. breaching the restrictions or ban in place for that private property or venue), then venue management can request the person to stop. If the person refuses, the police or security may be called to escort them off the property (without threatening violence, detention, or confiscation of the camera or film). Sporting organisations may want to consider implementing one or more of the following strategies to provide all involved with a greater knowledge and an assurance that the taking and displaying of images is appropriate:

Acquiring Images

• • Clearly outline what is considered appropriate behaviour in obtaining photographs and what is considered appropriate image content using a camera, mobile phone or video and publicise this information throughout the organisation.
  • Do not allow photographers (professional photographers, spectators, fans, coaches or members of the media) unsupervised or individual access to children.
  • Ensure the coach informs the team/athlete and parent(s) if the coach wants to video the athlete(s) as a tool to analyse and improve performance. (This practice would need to consider any photographing policy in existence for the sport and if on private property)
  • Obtain the consent of parent /guardian and their agreement to be present before approving photo/video sessions outside the event venue or at the home of a child. Where possible, have the photo taken at the event venue.
  • Provide details of who to contact within the club or organisation if concerns or complaints of inappropriate photographic behaviour or content are raised. Ensure that the contact person understands the application of relevant legislation and policies.
  • Provide members of the media and professional photographers with an identification pass to be worn for the duration of major/large events.

Displaying images

It is not so much the taking of images that may be of concern, but how the image will be used. If your organisation is acquiring an image of a child for display:

• • Consider using models or illustrations for promotional / advertising purposes.
  • Obtain permission from the child’s parent/guardian prior to taking the images of a child or young person. Ensure that all concerned are aware of the way in which the image is to be used and how long the image will be displayed.
  • If an image is used avoid naming the child. If this is not possible avoid using both a first name and surname.
  • Avoid displaying personal information such as residential address, email address or telephone numbers if images are being posted on websites or distributed in publications.
  • Do not display information about hobbies, likes/dislikes, school, etc as this information has the potential to be used as grooming tools by paedophiles or other persons.
  • Only use appropriate images of the child, relevant to the sport or activity, and ensure that the athlete/child is suitably clothed. Images of athletes participating in sports or activities that involve minimal clothing (e.g. swimming and gymnastics) or unusual body positions/poses could potentially be misused. The age of the child is another factor to consider when deciding if the image is appropriate.
  • Reduce the ability for direct copying of pictures from a website to another source (i.e. disable the ‘right mouse click’ function).
  • Clearly outline in a written contract to photographers who are contracted or paid to take photos, who will retain the images taken, include arrangements made for negatives, digital file and proofs and outline any restrictions for use and sale.
  • Provide details of who to contact and what to do if concerns or complaints of inappropriate image use are raised.

The intention of this information sheet is to let sporting organisations know about the issues surrounding acquiring and displaying images of children, not to restrict those people who are taking photos of children for legitimate reasons

[Relegated]

Ive been through this nonsense before. Its council land, so it cant be stopped.

If anyone objects to you filming, tell them to call the cops..they wont even bother coming out.

Disagree. Sorry.
Filming of minors can be stopped.

You may have to produce evidence of what you will be using the footage for, and if any other member of the public is going to be viewing it, you can be refused permission unless you sign to say little Freddy's face will be pixalled out.

A parent has every right to ask you to stop filming their child, no matter where you are.

I act as official photographer for my sons club. Last couple of seasons I have posted the weekly games shots on the clubs website and Facebook page. I had to get signed permission from he parents for this.
This year one parent has an issue with their child's photo going online, so, while I can still photograph, I cannot upload any photo with their child in.

Just like you must sign a consent form at kindy/school for them to use you'd child in any sort of media...

Sorry, your wrong.

As i said, tell someone to call the cops, they wont do anything about. How much more proof do you need that it cant be stopped.

As for schools, completely different story which has nothing to do what is being discussed here.

Using your logic, you would have to stop everyone getting out their mobile phone as these all now have high quality video cameras.

As for kids under protection etc..please keep them away as the majority should not have to miss out cause some crazy Mother/Father is on the look out for them. Doesnt make sense either if your trying to keep a low profile with your child that you would take them all around the suburbs to different games.

[redmum]

Sorry, your wrong.

As i said, tell someone to call the cops, they wont do anything about. How much more proof do you need that it cant be stopped.

As for schools, completely different story which has nothing to do what is being discussed here.

Using your logic, you would have to stop everyone getting out their mobile phone as these all now have high quality video cameras.

As for kids under protection etc..please keep them away as the majority should not have to miss out cause some crazy Mother/Father is on the look out for them. Doesnt make sense either if your trying to keep a low profile with your child that you would take them all around the suburbs to different games.

Wow, your mentality on custody orders is astounding.
Yes let's keep children on custody orders locked inside their house 24 hours a day, instead of just asking people at a game/school to respect their privacy and not take photos of their child....

And why is a school different to what is being discussed here?

[Relegated]

Sorry, your wrong.

As i said, tell someone to call the cops, they wont do anything about. How much more proof do you need that it cant be stopped.

As for schools, completely different story which has nothing to do what is being discussed here.

Using your logic, you would have to stop everyone getting out their mobile phone as these all now have high quality video cameras.

As for kids under protection etc..please keep them away as the majority should not have to miss out cause some crazy Mother/Father is on the look out for them. Doesnt make sense either if your trying to keep a low profile with your child that you would take them all around the suburbs to different games.

Wow, your mentality on custody orders is astounding.
Yes let's keep children on custody orders locked inside their house 24 hours a day, instead of just asking people at a game/school to respect their privacy and not take photos of their child....

And why is a school different to what is being discussed here?

I never said lock em up for 24 hours a day, their your words.

How about respecting the majority's peoples rights to film what activities their kids do while growing up. As sad as it is for kids caught in these situations, we should not have to miss out because of a few idiot parents.

As for schools, well the kids have no choice to attend school, and really, what would you want to film anyway?

[MR Black]

Sounds like there are some women/men that work at the CSA in here....typical, its people like you that have wrecked the world as we knew it. THE DO GOODERS

[redmum]

Sounds like there are some women/men that work at the CSA in here....typical, its people like you that have wrecked the world as we knew it. THE DO GOODERS

The CSA has nothing to do with children's rights.
In fact, quite the ooppisite most of the time...

[MR Black]

Redmum - I knew it! The fact is that the CSA is ALL about the children's rights when it suits you & your followers. (All depending on what you can gain at the time) . This issue about filming kids playing is stupidity at its best, its all about fear & towing the new world order line.
PS Read up on what CSA stands for, it mentions nothing about women. Maybe your living in the USA with an axe to grind.

[Stitch This]

Redmum - I knew it! The fact is that the CSA is ALL about the children's rights when it suits you & your followers. (All depending on what you can gain at the time) . This issue about filming kids playing is stupidity at its best, its all about fear & towing the new world order line.
PS Read up on what CSA stands for, it mentions nothing about women. Maybe your living in the USA with an axe to grind.

Arguing the merits of the CSA on a junior football forum. Just says so much

[Your Shout]

Referee shakes his head, lifts his arms in the air and Yells 'PLAY ON'!!!!!

[bin389]

What kind of a world do we live in? Ridiculous.