Are goal keepers slowly becoming extinct?

[The moyesiah]

It seems there are many clubs searching out keepers, I wonder how many decent keepers are playing JSL while all these JPL teams can't find any. We will eventually end up with most teams without keepers?

[paul merson]

It seems there are many clubs searching out keepers, I wonder how many decent keepers are playing JSL while all these JPL teams can't find any. We will eventually end up with most teams without keepers?

You either are a GK or you're not, you cant just make someone a GK, so finally people may start appreciating us and stop just putting the worst player in goals in JPL.

Barca and spain have proved you can play with out a striker yet everyone still chases them, instead start hunting GK's at young ages then put them through 'appropriate' training, also work on producing a GK you want for your senior team, not just a GK to do the job in JPL, coaches in JPL need to be looking more long term and not just worrying about this week end.

[The moyesiah]

It seems there are many clubs searching out keepers, I wonder how many decent keepers are playing JSL while all these JPL teams can't find any. We will eventually end up with most teams without keepers?

You either are a GK or you're not, you cant just make someone a GK, so finally people may start appreciating us and stop just putting the worst player in goals in JPL.

Barca and spain have proved you can play with out a striker yet everyone still chases them, instead start hunting GK's at young ages then put them through 'appropriate' training, also work on producing a GK you want for your senior team, not just a GK to do the job in JPL, coaches in JPL need to be looking more long term and not just worrying about this week end.

I think there are like 5 u15 teams searching for keepers (how many are also just rotating or not posting here) and there are even a few older ages. The signs are there that they are not coming through or they are sitting about at bigger clubs hoping to break into first team slots, yet a spot could be just down the road.

[paul merson]

It seems there are many clubs searching out keepers, I wonder how many decent keepers are playing JSL while all these JPL teams can't find any. We will eventually end up with most teams without keepers?

You either are a GK or you're not, you cant just make someone a GK, so finally people may start appreciating us and stop just putting the worst player in goals in JPL.

Barca and spain have proved you can play with out a striker yet everyone still chases them, instead start hunting GK's at young ages then put them through 'appropriate' training, also work on producing a GK you want for your senior team, not just a GK to do the job in JPL, coaches in JPL need to be looking more long term and not just worrying about this week end.

I think there are like 5 u15 teams searching for keepers (how many are also just rotating or not posting here) and there are even a few older ages. The signs are there that they are not coming through or they are sitting about at bigger clubs hoping to break into first team slots, yet a spot could be just down the road.

So are those clubs struggling for an under 15's GK now doing anything to ensure it doesnt happen again or is all their efforts being put into plugging this immediate hole?

[The moyesiah]

good question. I imagine most clubs just plug, what can they do force kids to become a keeper?
If a player doesn't decide to be a keeper clubs have no choice but to advertise or rotate. Maybe clubs/ffsa should offer benefits to keep this position a desired role. Most clubs have keeping coaches/sessions, but this doesn't help others to be a keeper, it just helps the ones they have. It seems to me that all the keepers, that are keepers (as you say) end up going to the top clubs, leaving the B/C teams with no keepers, and those teams do not seem to be able to get JSL keepers to join them. So is the issue with the smaller clubs that possibly don't have the resources? or the big clubs that do but just collect the ones the smaller clubs produce.

[Steve#4]

I know they are only young but both our Under 9 & 10's last year had stand up arguments on who
was going to be keeper. There were 4 from both squads we had to rotate to keep them all happy.

I think the coaches should be pushing the importance of the position if he sees a kid that takes well to it.

[muts]

Yes - extinct.
That's why there are so many old ones still hanging around.
If you're a GK and didn't make the political list of favoured ones by U14, you're finished in this town.
They are sent the message to go take up AFL.
And so, with their future as a GK over, they do.

[always offside]

Yes - extinct.
That's why there are so many old ones still hanging around.
If you're a GK and didn't make the political list of favoured ones by U14, you're finished in this town.
They are sent the message to go take up AFL.
And so, with their future as a GK over, they do.

unfortunately those running the elite programs are only interested in how tall not how skilled.
keepers like EG would never make todays STIC programs.

[pana1]

It seems there are many clubs searching out keepers, I wonder how many decent keepers are playing JSL while all these JPL teams can't find any. We will eventually end up with most teams without keepers?

You either are a GK or you're not, you cant just make someone a GK, so finally people may start appreciating us and stop just putting the worst player in goals in JPL.

Izzo and Solari were both field players at CCSC, both swapping to GK at about 13-14. Both SASi,Joey's and AU. Hall very talented tennis player turned GK.

[Bomber]

Not sure which grade but someone told me we have 4 keepers in one grade. Hope they're patient!

[The moyesiah]

could you spare one? we are not greedy just one would be nice U14/15

[grumbly]

yep, look after the ones you have. a few clubs treat junior keepers like lepers and some really look after theirs.
unfortunately most seem to forget about them until they get desperate.
here's a hint (and I know a lot of junior keepers), show some loyalty and they will return it.

[paul merson]

It seems there are many clubs searching out keepers, I wonder how many decent keepers are playing JSL while all these JPL teams can't find any. We will eventually end up with most teams without keepers?

You either are a GK or you're not, you cant just make someone a GK, so finally people may start appreciating us and stop just putting the worst player in goals in JPL.

Izzo and Solari were both field players at CCSC, both swapping to GK at about 13-14. Both SASi,Joey's and AU. Hall very talented tennis player turned GK.

I signed at ABE as a fullback when I was 14 then went into goals, i think it's a good pathway to goal keeping, but speak to any GK coach, But GK's are GK's, but as I said GK's are GK's, it's part of their character

[paul merson]

Yes - extinct.
That's why there are so many old ones still hanging around.
If you're a GK and didn't make the political list of favoured ones by U14, you're finished in this town.
They are sent the message to go take up AFL.
And so, with their future as a GK over, they do.

Someone's a bit bitter

[prefly]

yep he might be bitter but he is dead right.

[Big Mac]

Why there is a lack of gk's in the U15 age group is that it is around
this age they are being told to be a decent keeper you MUST be playing
up.
Some skip this age group which leaves gaps.
Younger GKs sometimes aren't ready to step up to take these spots.

[paul merson]

yep he might be bitter but he is dead right.

What path way did John Hall come through again?

What old keepers are still hanging around?

Are any NPL clubs that worrieds whether you played under 15 state team?

Our 19's GK that has been through the 'Path ways' has had the chance to train with AU and work with Rob Matosevic last season.

If you go in with the attitude of muts then he is right, you wont get anywhere, here or anywhere else.

Who's sending messages to go and play AFL by the way? Thats just getting rediculous.

[matty2323]

I still believe there are plenty of goal keepers out there, the issues is with coaches. Many coaches believe that keepers are just keepers, and that they can go off and do their own thing until required for shooting practice at training. You see alot of keepers standing around at training not doing a whole lot during passing drills etc, because coaches dont want them "bringing down the standard" of the drill.

Im fortunate enough to have a very good young goalkeeper, who actually does very little "goalkeeping" and my sessions on Wednesday's and Friday's. He's heavily involved in the drills and small sided games, working on his technique and ball skills. Most of his goal keeper training comes from specific sessions with the clubs Goal keeping coach and private sessions with Chris Higgins.

As a coach building an u12 team this year, i can assure you the first thing on my check list was a keeper who had the passion and desire about playing the position. Like Merson said, teams are always looking for the star striker who will score them 30 goals a season, not the kid saving them.

[Wraith]

Our 1st team keeper on Friday night was playing Aussie Rules this time last year for Gold Coast Suns.

Didn't go through any system as such.

[paul merson]

Our 1st team keeper on Friday night was playing Aussie Rules this time last year for Gold Coast Suns.

Didn't go through any system as such.

None of our senior keepers went through any systems or junior state teams.

[TRUTH]

I know some clubs have qualified goal keeper coaching for juniors but many don't.
The money invested in young keepers usally pays off

Should be a must in the rules that clubs provide this service especially in Prem League.

[paul merson]

I know some clubs have qualified goal keeper coaching for juniors but many don't.
The money invested in young keepers usally pays off

Should be a must in the rules that clubs provide this service especially in Prem League.

Yes, but the only senior GK course/cert you can do is the FFA's GK1 & 2 and I cant see every club being able to find someone to first do their AFC C license then go to Syd or Canberra for a week to do this to be a part time coach in the SANPL.

The FFSA youth license is basic, and too basic for any club wanting to develop young GK's to a good standard, there needs to be a 'community' senior course here pronto.

How many FFA GK coaching licenses are held in SA?
Peter Blaz
Rob Matosevic
Mick Harkness
Anymore?

[rossonero]

neil tate

[paul merson]

neil tate

Ah yes sorry forgot Neil