This forum is for the discussion of women's football, the fastest growing participation sport in Australia. This includes local women's football and the A-League Women.
Let’s see,
Pirate girls teams; gone,Toros girls teams; gone ,Cumby well close to gone,Sturt Marion; we don’t know yet,Olympic girls; here one day gone the next and back again how long for??.
Is it not time that the clubs got together and looked at other options other than the FFSA??
Let’s face it Women’s Football is getting screwed over by our state body, and they don’t care what happens to the clubs.
Clubs should get together and have a meeting without the FFSA, and see what we can do to keep the women’s/ girls Football alive in this state.
the only problem is that they cant play for state teams or matildas in that case.....the amatuer league spoke to a fair few clubs a few years ago about joining but at the death knock the clubs ran back to the FFSA and have a look whats happened now
Yes true John, but if most of the clubs said hey thats it were out the FFSA would have to explain to FFA what going on. I'm not saying this season, but a united front for 2014. If they thought they would loose most if not all of the girls / womens teams they would be stuffed.
Where would they get thier state teams etc from??how would they explain that to the FFA.Most important how in hell did Wendy get the Job
wildcat wrote:Let’s see,
Pirate girls teams; gone,Toros girls teams; gone ,Cumby well close to gone,Sturt Marion; we don’t know yet,Olympic girls; here one day gone the next and back again how long for??.
Is it not time that the clubs got together and looked at other options other than the FFSA??
Let’s face it Women’s Football is getting screwed over by our state body, and they don’t care what happens to the clubs.
Clubs should get together and have a meeting without the FFSA, and see what we can do to keep the women’s/ girls Football alive in this state.
PS sorry for my bad grammar
I havent been around the womens comp long so excuse my ignorance here, but can you explain for me how you see it FFSA's fault that clubs like pirates and toros have folded?
wildcat wrote:Let’s see,
Pirate girls teams; gone,Toros girls teams; gone ,Cumby well close to gone,Sturt Marion; we don’t know yet,Olympic girls; here one day gone the next and back again how long for??.
Is it not time that the clubs got together and looked at other options other than the FFSA??
Let’s face it Women’s Football is getting screwed over by our state body, and they don’t care what happens to the clubs.
Clubs should get together and have a meeting without the FFSA, and see what we can do to keep the women’s/ girls Football alive in this state.
PS sorry for my bad grammar
I havent been around the womens comp long so excuse my ignorance here, but can you explain for me how you see it FFSA's fault that clubs like pirates and toros have folded?
Playthewhistle
Firstly you have been around good try. Secondly no were on my post do I say it’s FFSA’s fault again good try.
I do say that it is the FFSA job to communicate with these clubs and stop the rot that is happening, not just worry about the money. And also give credit to the clubs that helped them out last year at no cost....
Not even a thank you!!!!
So If the FFSA can’t show some support to the women’s / girls teams they should bow out.
You have been around from 2011
wildcat wrote:Let’s see,
Pirate girls teams; gone,Toros girls teams; gone ,Cumby well close to gone,Sturt Marion; we don’t know yet,Olympic girls; here one day gone the next and back again how long for??.
Is it not time that the clubs got together and looked at other options other than the FFSA??
Let’s face it Women’s Football is getting screwed over by our state body, and they don’t care what happens to the clubs.
Clubs should get together and have a meeting without the FFSA, and see what we can do to keep the women’s/ girls Football alive in this state.
PS sorry for my bad grammar
I havent been around the womens comp long so excuse my ignorance here, but can you explain for me how you see it FFSA's fault that clubs like pirates and toros have folded?
Playthewhistle
Firstly you have been around good try. Secondly no were on my post do I say it’s FFSA’s fault again good try.
I do say that it is the FFSA job to communicate with these clubs and stop the rot that is happening, not just worry about the money. And also give credit to the clubs that helped them out last year at no cost....
Not even a thank you!!!!
So If the FFSA can’t show some support to the women’s / girls teams they should bow out.
You have been around from 2011
Hmmm I don't think playing div4 for 2 years is considered being around the women's comp long! Certainly not long enough to know enough or be exposed enough to the things you are saying about the FFSA. I have no understanding of what happens at prems level or with the reserves or junior soccer or how clubs get in a scenario they have to fold because I haven't been exposed to it. The fact you started the topic about if its time to say goodbye to FFSA and your first line referred to the clubs that have folded or may fold this year led me to be believe you felt this had something to do with the fault of FFSA. Sorry if I misunderstood.
Surely the individual clubs under the FFSA umbrella have to shake themselves up and have sound management and the right coaches. Take responsibility for their own clubs well being. Which means work harder to create an environment where team is both player and management together. Appreciate each other. Then everyones happy.
What has the FFSA got to do with the above? Absolutely zilch.
beaches wrote:Surely the individual clubs under the FFSA umbrella have to shake themselves up and have sound management and the right coaches. Take responsibility for their own clubs well being. Which means work harder to create an environment where team is both player and management together. Appreciate each other. Then everyones happy.
What has the FFSA got to do with the above? Absolutely zilch.
what does the FFSA have to do positively with most soccer in SA....see above zilch!
I agree that FFSA has a lot to do with this. Don't forget that they are in charge to provide football for girls and they are RUINING IT. Most clubs have huge problems with FFSA and feel put down by them. Most ppl even if they won't say it openly think that the people running the game are arrogant and not very knowledgeable.
FFSA make huge mistakes and people get frustrated and want to quit the game (FFSA coach allowed to coach at Fulham, unprepared coach to coach the state team and assist DE, lack of organisation, lies to clubs etc).
FFSA sends message like "clubs are a waste of time, the only level that matters is NTC/WLeague" or at least this is what many ppl feel. In the end, the club competitions are the backbone of the game, they should be priority #1...NO CLUBS NO GAME!
Basically everybody you talk to (except maybe two or three ppl who write here and are probably connected to FFSA) says the same thing: FFSA are ruining women's soccer, FFSA are supposed to be professional but they are just a bunch of amateurs, they only look after their mates, the so-called managers should be sent home...etc etc. These are facts, all you need to do is to have a chat with ppl involved in clubs.
beaches wrote:Surely the individual clubs under the FFSA umbrella have to shake themselves up and have sound management and the right coaches. Take responsibility for their own clubs well being. Which means work harder to create an environment where team is both player and management together. Appreciate each other. Then everyones happy.
What has the FFSA got to do with the above? Absolutely zilch.
Beaches
So what your are suggesting is that clubs don’t try to make a happy and a good environment? Shame because they do..... Regardless of the club
I don’t like the Toros for example but I do respect the work Leigh put in to the Toros club . A lot of hard work over the years. Unlike other clubs he and the Pirate didn’t get FFSA help with state coaches and the poaching of players.
The FFSA supports no club that needs help, but is willing to use club facilities for free and not even a thank you. Way to go FFSA... have good looks at other sports and learn. Under the FFSA unbrella you get wet or burnt from the sun
beaches wrote:Surely the individual clubs under the FFSA umbrella have to shake themselves up and have sound management and the right coaches. Take responsibility for their own clubs well being. Which means work harder to create an environment where team is both player and management together. Appreciate each other. Then everyones happy.
What has the FFSA got to do with the above? Absolutely zilch.
what does the FFSA have to do positively with most soccer in SA....see above zilch!
Bad Egg wrote:I agree that FFSA has a lot to do with this. Don't forget that they are in charge to provide football for girls and they are RUINING IT. Most clubs have huge problems with FFSA and feel put down by them. Most ppl even if they won't say it openly think that the people running the game are arrogant and not very knowledgeable.
FFSA make huge mistakes and people get frustrated and want to quit the game (FFSA coach allowed to coach at Fulham, unprepared coach to coach the state team and assist DE, lack of organisation, lies to clubs etc).
FFSA sends message like "clubs are a waste of time, the only level that matters is NTC/WLeague" or at least this is what many ppl feel. In the end, the club competitions are the backbone of the game, they should be priority #1...NO CLUBS NO GAME!
Basically everybody you talk to (except maybe two or three ppl who write here and are probably connected to FFSA) says the same thing: FFSA are ruining women's soccer, FFSA are supposed to be professional but they are just a bunch of amateurs, they only look after their mates, the so-called managers should be sent home...etc etc. These are facts, all you need to do is to have a chat with ppl involved in clubs.
John Cena wrote:when I posted that the womans game was in dire trouble a few years ago everybody shot me down and told me I was negative, have a look whats happened
true now everyone can see you was right. Now we as clubs have to get together and show our strength. " united we stand divided we fall" and how we are falling.
How does an FFSA employee coaching Fulham in his own time lead to people wanting to quit the game?
Which " unprepared ' state coach are you refering to?
Poaching? Easy to say. But players changing clubs has been going on for many years. I am sure the reasons are varied.
Yes I respect Leigh also, he has tried valiantly to build from a junior base, however the structure of having so many teams in Premier League made it difficult for him to get some experienced players to help his young charges along.
Cumberland always had a strong Junior base, plus numerous senior quality players, and players from other clubs over the past couple of years, so I cannot put a handle on what has happened there.
Sturt Marion and Olympic have borne the brunt of players leaving to go to other clubs.
Fulham was in a bad place at the beginning of 2011 having lost almost a full team of seniors a number of players retiring and going overseas and going to other clubs But they pulled together and soldiered on with many young players and good old fashioned club loyalty.
My original post here was projected at clubs to get themselves in the best order possible, not to rely on FFSA{because many comments on here by people think they do not do enough.} The club delegates still exist I presume. No one on this topic wants to define what clubs want from FFSA (I have no association with them).
We are a club heavily involved with the SAASL but we have a women's team in the FFSA. I'm certainly no supporter of the FFSA but I haven't had a problem with the women's comp organisers. They've helped us where they can. Sure we are a bottom division club with girls who play for fitness and social reasons. I think they really need to look at having a Semi Pro womens comp and an Amateur comp. Have different requirements for clubs who want to be semi pro. There isn't enough players or clubs to have to seperate assocations running womens comps.
Also, I'd look within for reasons of failure before I'd look out.
For me all of this comes down to chicken and the egg.
The FFSA have to have the structure right and here they have to take some blame as the prems / reserves structure has changed several times. They made reserves state league then reserves, then div 2 and then back to reserves. Now you may ask what has that done to the comp not much?
Wrong. At the time premier league was strong for most with two or three up and coming teams who unfortunately struggled. The whole idea (I believe) with the reserves was to try and get players in reserves to move to other premier league teams, it didn't happen.
Then you add teams like Stirling and Comets who were left in div 2 to play all the reserves teams and I believe both struggled and lost players after this one season excersice.
You then add the rule about only having 3 SASI players per club. I know at my club at the time we lost Stacey Day as she moved interstate and has since played national league because of this rule. Ebbs stood out of football because of this rule, how many more took this option. Again I understand why FFSA made this rule however did they consult the clubs, did clubs agree, was this the best move or could they have applied something along these lines but with better communication and club input?
You then look at clubs starting up who seem to take big chunks of players from other clubs. I know it is the players decision to move, however surely if the right structure was in place by the ffsa then new clubs would know that they start at the bottom, can't hire big chunks of other teams players and have to actually get their own players (not aiming this at any club in particular) then this would help stop clubs coming and going. Clubs not being around more than a handful of years. Look at the mens FFSA Structure. To gain entry into the league you have to meet a minimum criteria. Now this isn' to stop teams but as they move up the leagues they understand what is taking place and what will happen everytiem they move up. EG You go into div one and win you will go premier league.
Add to this that no club rules the competition then if you get promoted you go up no if's or buts. If you finish bottom 1 or 2 whatever the rule is you go down. Clubs know what is at stake. They then can't say our structure isn't in place. If you were for example in div 1 then you would know if you win you are going to the premier league and therefore start to plan. Again I know there are lots of if's and buts however no other competition except AFL would yu not be moving up or down, even the aussie amateur football moves teams up and down unless they are in a league which at the begininig of the season has no promotion.
I suupose what all this means is you have to put in place the structure which all participants what to agree to. If you join the league then you abide by the rules set not pick and choose what you want depending on numbers, availability and what you or your club see fit to ask for and if you don't get it you leave.
The clubs now have to look to the future and not just what they want. Last season I believe the premier league and reserves were a good competition new teams who hung in their for whatever reason. Preivously clubs wouldn't put in the effort as they were never guaranteed the next season (again because the rules changed sometimes you had two years sometimes you didn't)
We all want succes and want out club to be number 1 however at the end of the day if your club has all the players but no competition is the win at all costs the right thing? Sometimes you can't recruit every player and sometimes you have to build your club from stratch not look at short term success and long term with no idea. Too many clubs have come and gone and everytime this happens we loose more and more players, officals and helpers.
I maybe well off the mark but have a look at when Fulham were going for their fifth premier league title in a row. Adelaide City, Metro, Sturt Marion, Olympic were all there with Cumberland knocking on the door. Teams like Gawler, Para Hills Knights, Campbelltown, Toros, Elizabeth Vale etc (sorry for any missed out not deliberate) were all teams who won success to gain promotion. The premier league was strong, The reserves was strong the Adelaide Sensation was strong.
Now where are all those players, officials, teams?
Just may 3 minute comment.
Julian
Notts County Football Club the oldest and still the best. Black and White magic
MARVIN this is the kind of stuff and viewpoint that is worth listening too. It may be a view shared by many.
wildcat wrote:Let’s see,
Pirate girls teams; gone,Toros girls teams; gone ,Cumby well close to gone,Sturt Marion; we don’t know yet,Olympic girls; here one day gone the next and back again how long for??.
Is it not time that the clubs got together and looked at other options other than the FFSA??
Let’s face it Women’s Football is getting screwed over by our state body, and they don’t care what happens to the clubs.
Clubs should get together and have a meeting without the FFSA, and see what we can do to keep the women’s/ girls Football alive in this state.
We are a club heavily involved with the SAASL but we have a women's team in the FFSA. I'm certainly no supporter of the FFSA but I haven't had a problem with the women's comp organisers. They've helped us where they can. Sure we are a bottom division club with girls who play for fitness and social reasons. I think they really need to look at having a Semi Pro womens comp and an Amateur comp. Have different requirements for clubs who want to be semi pro. There isn't enough players or clubs to have to seperate assocations running womens comps.
Also, I'd look within for reasons of failure before I'd look out.
you can't talk sense in here
its the FFSA's fault, its DE fault, its fulhams fault, its carters fault, you cannot blame the clubs or say to people to look within
Sad Girl what are the other options?
Also the people working at FFSA do care.
FFSA are not as resourced as other states due to lower number of players.
Maybe some contributors to this forum could volunteer at FFSA or submit constructive feedback.
SAD GAL wrote:MARVIN this is the kind of stuff and viewpoint that is worth listening too. It may be a view shared by many.
wildcat wrote:Let’s see,
Pirate girls teams; gone,Toros girls teams; gone ,Cumby well close to gone,Sturt Marion; we don’t know yet,Olympic girls; here one day gone the next and back again how long for??.
Is it not time that the clubs got together and looked at other options other than the FFSA??
Let’s face it Women’s Football is getting screwed over by our state body, and they don’t care what happens to the clubs.
Clubs should get together and have a meeting without the FFSA, and see what we can do to keep the women’s/ girls Football alive in this state.
PS sorry for my bad grammar
The goalkeeper is the jewel in the crown and getting at him should be almost impossible. It's the biggest sin in football to make him do any work.
beaches wrote:
Fulham was in a bad place at the beginning of 2011 having lost almost a full team of seniors a number of players retiring and going overseas and going to other clubs But they pulled together and soldiered on with many young players and good old fashioned club loyalty.
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Fulham heavily reduced the fees in 2011 to help the Senior Girls.
Fulham lost money in putting the senior girls on the park that year.
Yes 2011 was a tough year for Fulham Girls, for many reasons I have stated previously. I do not get your point in bringing up financial issues. The most important thing was the rebuild and ie. giving young players opportunity and couple this with some older experienced players. The womens team survived where other clubs did not.
beaches wrote:I do not get your point in bringing up financial issues. The most important thing was the rebuild
You made the point about loyalty- I made the point that fees were reduced because otherwise a lot of girls would have left (not saying all) so club took a hit when maybe ALL the girls should have stayed regardless of the fees to show true loyalty to the club. Again not saying ALL girls.
Playthewhistle
