Lady Reds vs Lady Tards

[Red-4-Life]

Adelaide United v Melbourne Victory
Saturday 1 December 2012
Burton Park, Adelaide
Local kick-off: 2pm

Referee: Kelly Jones

After a bright opening to the season, Adelaide will be desperate to halt their recent string of defeats. This weekend presents another tough ask in the shape of the always-competitive Melbourne Victory.

Coach Dave Edmondson is set to ring the changes for the Lady Reds, and at the same time will welcome back young gun Emma Checker into the defence after the teenager made her Matildas debut last week. This round marks the second half of the regular season and another defeat for Adelaide here, will well and truly cast them adrift from the top four.

Melbourne came perilously close to achieving a club record fourth win on the trot last weekend only to fall at the death against Brisbane Roar in a remarkable match.

Despite that gut-wrenching defeat, the Victory appears to be improving almost every week, and currently are on target to repeat last year’s semi-final appearance.

The Victory welcome back a trio of crucial performers from international duty with goalkeeper Brianna Davey and flanker Steph Catley returning, alongside midfield engine Jessica Fishlock who last weekend played for Wales.

Adelaide United squad: 1. Kristi HARVEY (gk), 2. Ruth WALLACE, 3. Alex NATOLI, 4. Jess WHAREPOURI, 5. Abby ERCEG (c), 6. Cassie TSOUMBRIS, 8. Sarah McLAUGHLIN, 9. Marijana RAJCIC, 10. Jenna McCORMICK, 13. Ann MAYO, 14. Lorena MAGGIO, 16. Jess WATERHOUSE, 17. Laura JOHNS, 18. Georgia MACRI, 19. Holly PATTERSON, 20. Kelly BARLTROP (gk) (* one to be omitted)

Ins: 2. Ruth WALLACE, 6. Cassie TSOUMBRIS, 10. Jenna McCORMICK (all promoted), 15. Emma Checker (returns from international duty)
Outs: 7. Racheal QUIGLEY, 11. Grace HENRY, 12. Elise WHORLOW (all omitted)
Unavailable: None

Melbourne Victory squad: 1. Brianna DAVEY (gk), 2. Danielle JOHNSON, 3. Maika RUYTER-HOOLEY, 4. Rebekah STOTT, 5. Laura SPIRANOVIC, 6. Petra LARSSON, 7. Stephanie CATLEY, 9. Tiffany ELIADIS, 10. Jessica McDONALD, 12. Jackie Vogt, 14. Enza BARILLA, 15. Amy JACKSON, 16. Georgie KOUTROUVELIS, 17. Gulcan KOCA, 18. Cindy LAY, 20. Cassandra DIMOVSKI (gk), 22: Jessica FISHLOCK, 23. Jessica HUMBLE (* three to be omitted)

In: 1. Brianna DAVEY, 7. Stephanie CATLEY, 22: Jessica FISHLOCK (all return from international duty)
Outs: 30: Melissa MAIZELS (omitted)
Unavailable: Ashley BROWN (knee – season), Louisa BISBY (knee – season)

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[snow white]

Quigley dropped or injured???

[paul merson]

Go to see Ruth back

[cg1]

Quigley dropped or injured???

Need to ask QuantoQuesta from what I read on FN here QQ seems to have a handle on the inside info.

[TRUTH]

Another defeat on the way

[Red-4-Life]

Quigley dropped or injured???

Team list says omitted

[Easy Tiger]

Another massive defeat today.
I will probably be criticised by the usual "positive" minds out there that spoke about improvements and kept saying the way things were going was good and that this team will surprise more than one of "us" naysayers etc. I'm no naysayer, I go out and support the team even if it takes me one hour to get there...but sorry - I'm not surprised.

But let's be positive, we have nice bright red kits.

[snow white]

What a shambles.

5 nil home thumping, coach sent off, 6th straight loss, goal difference a debacle, no goals from open play since round one, players now look despondent and depressed.

One has to ask has the coach lost his dressing room? Is there a plan B??? Looks like whether its 0-0 or 5 nil the tactics and shape are the same.

Elite pathway is clearly in disarray. We are way off the rest of the comp, save a 10 min burst from an individual player, we would be 7 zip. Throw in plight of the grass roots, and it looks bleak.

When will there be any accountability applied???

[John Cena]

I came to the game with a open mind, MV played with skill and precision we just played and hoped, i thought Jenna tried her heart out and young Jess , I beleive we have 1 rock in that team and 19 pebbles. And the score line should have been more

[Red-4-Life]

Back to square 1 for the lady reds!!!

[Bagman]

I watched today and whilst being disappointed again with the result there was 1 thing that stuck out today more than the usual glaring problems ....

I understand that because it's a womens comp. they feel the need to have it refereed by the "best' female ref's in the land but today was beyond a disgrace . That is the single worst display I have ever seen . I have no issue with gender , but if there is not a Ref who is better than the one today , then they need to use better performing men. I don't wish to be howled down because i'm a male cause it's not my agenda , but the ref today was a JOKE !!!

Having said that , 5-0 is not a result that was going to change because of a few ( many ) Shite decisions .

We got a quality player back today and conceded 4 of the 5 goals down their left attacking side , it shows that the last two 4-0 results are not due to anyone missing . The issues are bigger than personnel . There appears to be not enough pain in defeat .

Also the example set by the coach being sent off was very poor !! ( The vocal crap coming from 2 supporters (( Parents )) was a disgrace too )

Im starting to loose faith and I hate that ! We need the FFSA to get off their lazy backsides and get some $$$'s into the system to get some quality Australian players to come to Adelaide .

If Perth can do it , why can't we ??

[Red-4-Life]

Dave Edmondson said the girls would be fired up especially as it was against Melbourne. The result would show that there is something going wrong...failing to fire up against Melbourne is not a good sign.

[juniorsupporter]

Bagman- your not being sexist in your thoughts about the referee.

"The vocal crap coming from 2 supporters (( Parents )) was a disgrace too" +100

[voldemort]

From all reports another dismall performance.
The coach sent off =
Time for a change

[snow white]

Bagman- your not being sexist in your thoughts about the referee.

"The vocal crap coming from 2 supporters (( Parents )) was a disgrace too" +100

Your thoughts on the performance of the team and the coach getting sent off for I gather dissent and/or abuse???

[scipio africanus]

Feel sorry for the girls ... They looked in despair at the end of the game and the whole mood at the ground was very sombre.

I'm the first to admit that the lady reds gig is a very tough one, but I do struggle to understand when you lose so many games and by large margins, that you wouldn't try and change your tactics and shape. When your 3 nil down surely its a trigger to change your approach.

I noted victory play 3 at the back, and were very sound defensively until their coach took off the very tall central defender who was a wall back there. Refreshing to see a different tactical approach that is successful, based on possession and results in plenty of goals.

[juniorsupporter]

SW-
Obviously I'm disappointed that the result wasn't there- unlike most here I did seem some bright runs of play and they seemed to be playing with a higher level of intensity- to me, but as most of you on here will agree, what do I know?. It's unfortunate that the coach was sent off, obviously, for whatever reason. Although I find it interesting that the referee is being blasted as incompetent while at the same time the coach is bearing all the blame for being sent off.

I have refrained from comment so far because anything I post that's not hypercritical will either be completely ignored or jumped on- what's the point?

[Gazelle]

The two most disappointing things from the game weren't even on the park!

1. The coach got sent off.

2. The person screaming out instructions and criticism from the sideline.

People need to get themselves together. The coach is showing his players that it's ok to disrespect game officials, lose your temper, etc. If he can't hold it together, how does he expect the girls to?

I think that the FFSA needs to seriously consider replacing him due to the poor image he portrays of Adelaide United and football in this state.

[snow white]

SW-
Obviously I'm disappointed that the result wasn't there- unlike most here I did seem some bright runs of play and they seemed to be playing with a higher level of intensity- to me, but as most of you on here will agree, what do I know?. It's unfortunate that the coach was sent off, obviously, for whatever reason. Although I find it interesting that the referee is being blasted as incompetent while at the same time the coach is bearing all the blame for being sent off.

I have refrained from comment so far because anything I post that's not hypercritical will either be completely ignored or jumped on- what's the point?

Whilst I thought that the ref made mistakes, those mistakes weren't game defining and none I thought led to goals. Lets face it, no penalties were dished out or red cards given, so to describe it as the worst ref performance is somewhat of an exaggeration. More importantly, any discussion of the ref will divert from the real issues at hand. Simply, ref wasn't the reason for 5 nil drubbing.

Another observation is that I think, and stand to be corrected, but it was the 4th official who asked for the coach to be dismissed, so linking it to the ref and her performance is disingenuous.

I just found it interesting that you commented on parents yelling dissent out during the game, which I agree is not on, but missed that the coach was more than likely sent off for exactly the same thing. Stand to be corrected if course if this is not correct.

Would have thought that to be consistent, if you condemned the parents, the coach would have drawn the same appraisal.

I apologise in advance if I have misinterpreted you in anyway.

[juniorsupporter]

"Another observation is that I think, and stand to be corrected, but it was the 4th official who asked for the coach to be dismissed, so linking it to the ref and her performance is disingenuous."

The fourth official may have asked,but ultimately the referee makes the call and is responsible, much the same as the refs relationship with a linesman- I wasn't pointing to your comments regarding the referee in particular but to the tenor of the comments as a whole. The truth of it is that while DE may have lost his temper, none of us knows what was said or whether the punishment was appropriate. Maybe it was, I'm just saying I don't know for sure so I choose not to comment apart to say that it was unfortunate, whatever the reason. Nothing disingenuous about it. The fact that I called out the parent was due to having heard (how could you not) exactly what that parent was saying and how he was conducting himself- didn't have the same info re the coach.

No, the ref wasn't responsible for the 5 nil result- never inferred that at all.

I do try to be consistent but I don't see any point in trashing the coach or the players on a public forum that the players sometimes read (if they are, they shouldn't because most of it is uninformed rubbish).

[snow white]

Yes, the ref has the final say and has every right to act on the advice of the other match officials.

The coach must have spoken out ... How else does a coach get sent off aside from a physical altercation?

It's convenient that you don't wish to pass judgement because you didn't hear what was said, when its obvious something inappropriate was said or done.

For the record, I've never trashed a player.

This forum represents the only real vehicle to articulate our grave concerns for the game. Officials avenues have more often than not failed in the past. I asked you in another thread has anyone ever been held accountable for the current standing of the game. I still await a response. 10 years ago, sawsa trumpeted that women's football was the fastest growing participation sport. Sadly I have witnessed only decline since.

I want the game to succeed. I hate seeing the players demoralized, and walk away from the sport at barely 20 years of age, yet when you dare question the system, a system you have acknowledged has more than its share of difficulties, your shot down as negative and a dooms sayer.

I'm tired of seeing the same mistakes made, and full time, paid professionals not having to answer to anyone or be held to account.

This goes way beyond the coach. He inherited a poison chalice as far as I'm concerned. Question is, are we heading in the right direction??

[juniorsupporter]

I'm not sure how you could hold one person accountable for the current state of the women's game. Which is why I haven't responded to that question because the obvious answer is no- wouldn't we be discussing it here if someone had? Took the question for rhetorical.

Sorry that you find my views and responses 'convenient'. That implies that there is some agenda. There isn't.

And I never accused you personally of trashing players on this forum. Again, I was speaking to the whole forum. It wasn't about you personally.

I share your concerns about the current state of the women's game. I think the root causes of the current situation are varied and complicated, that's all. It seems to me that we may have more in common than you want to acknowledge.

[QuantoQuesta]

Any players on the bench care to comment on why DE was sent off? Only thing I heard him say was telling the moron abusing the players from the sideline to shut up! Hardly seemed worthy of a sending off?

[gubs]

I dont think that its entirely appropriate for there to be a call to players on the bench to clarify what was said. It doesnt matter, its not going to change anything and I doubt that players would be allowed to comment on here.

At the end of the day until we start getting some serious sponsorship organised and have the ability to pay players I think we are always going to be a bottom ranked team for seasons to come no matter what coach is at the helm.
Sure, there are some fantastic premier league players in the team however many players struggle to make the transition from fantastic premier league player to decent w-league player. The jump is huge and I dont know if people fully understand that. At the moment we are playing SANFL players in an AFL. I dont mean any disrespect to the players and I am sure they bust their guts at training and in games but at the moment its not enough. We need quality players who have international experience and to get those players we need some serious sponsorship.

FFSA need to roll with the times and realise that paying players is a necessity. Money talks...

[southern]

Yes, the ref has the final say and has every right to act on the advice of the other match officials.

The coach must have spoken out ... How else does a coach get sent off aside from a physical altercation?

It's convenient that you don't wish to pass judgement because you didn't hear what was said, when its obvious something inappropriate was said or done.

For the record, I've never trashed a player.

This forum represents the only real vehicle to articulate our grave concerns for the game. Officials avenues have more often than not failed in the past. I asked you in another thread has anyone ever been held accountable for the current standing of the game. I still await a response. 10 years ago, sawsa trumpeted that women's football was the fastest growing participation sport. Sadly I have witnessed only decline since.

I want the game to succeed. I hate seeing the players demoralized, and walk away from the sport at barely 20 years of age, yet when you dare question the system, a system you have acknowledged has more than its share of difficulties, your shot down as negative and a dooms sayer.

I'm tired of seeing the same mistakes made, and full time, paid professionals not having to answer to anyone or be held to account.

This goes way beyond the coach. He inherited a poison chalice as far as I'm concerned. Question is, are we heading in the right direction??

SN is 100% right.
FFSA: shame
DE: shame
End result: shame

Junior, I know you think I only say negative things (on this topic at least) but really...?

And for the record - our line up/squad is not only full of left overs. There are some very good players there (is Emma Checker only good when she plays for Australia? She was playing, wasn't she? All the imports were there, weren't they?) but the problems obviously are elsewhere. FFSA are in charge of the game...the game is totally cabernet...

[cg1]

An armchair review of the game.

I’m going to go completely against public opinion and write I thought most of the Lady Reds players IMO at times looked good with some nice plays and balls through to attacking positions but…
5 nil is a very bad loss in any terms it's a spanking without doubt.
Melbourne's midfielders worked so hard box to box, plus they were cutting across our defensive line with seemingly no tracking from our midfielders. Our midfielders might be good on the ball but I would suspect if they had GPS tracking on them compared to Melbourne’s Mids, MV’s mids would have double or triple their mileage. So many times MV midfielders would lead to the ball then only when the ball was played to the opponent would the Lady Red mids make an effort to close. Way too late IMO, either go early as she leads to the ball or let them have it and hold for the next pass, going so late only creates another hole to be played through. A bunch of other things to mention defensively but that would require mentioning specific players so won't bother going there.

Poor GK Harvey, 5 in the net would say she has had a bad day again I actually thought she had an ok game but the lack of accountability at the back when being over run with midfielders pushing through wasn’t up to scratch.

Again I’m going to go against the seeming public view that the team don’t feel the hurt of a defeat. I would suspect the girls feel it bad but lose enough and perhaps it just becomes a bit numb to another defeat. It seems to me by not adjusting and playing to our strengths we aren’t chasing a win just looking to restrict damage and that is what becomes demoralizing more than another defeat. Only changes when they eventually come are like for like. Same structure whole game. Melbourne played 3 at back but we still had our lone striker constantly isolated. Just a suggestion matching with 352 and put them under some pressure. McCormick and MJ together for half a game would have been interesting to observe.
I was expecting to see every ball rolled out and played out from the back but the GK did some long kicks. Is this a change for this game? Not heard anyone mention the team was kicking long from some GK possessions nor have I seen it up till this game. I couldn’t fathom the apparent directive though to kick a ball in the air to the shortest AU player on the field. Unfortunately I don’t think we won one of these but the immediate pressure relief at the back was very evident. Seems obvious to go to an AMF or Striker and for them to feed contested lay offs to the MF’s or wingers, maybe too obvious...

A number of times MV committed numbers forward, Harvey would gain possession and we had excellent opportunity to go forward to a 1 on 2 or better contest with open space behind defense but instead we rolled a ball out to a defender or deep dropping midfielder who was immediately closed down. By rolling out when MV have numbers forward the congestion and forward pressure from MV’s numbers makes playing out near impossible regardless of players technical ability or not. No criticism of the GK I feel certain its a directive to roll our short its just an observation of the result with so many numbers in AU own half. The decision making IMO needs to be worked on - when to attack with a longer ball.

Just an unsolicited piece of advice for the Lady Reds captain. Regardless of what happens with the coach eg. Being sent off and not returning after the game, keeping the players together at the end of the game and going down as a team to applaud and thank the spectators wherever they may be for coming out would be a really positive step.

In a left field thought - Para Hill Knights in the Men’s Premier League (not to be confused with PHK in Women’s Premier League) with a side that I think included 6 debutantes won the League and made the Cup final against the best of the Super League teams. From what I observed they played different types of football depending on players available, conditions and circumstances. In the end they were playing a decent possession game. They only train a few times a week less than the Lady Reds if you believe the reports. Some principles they applied to their season would seem to suit the Lady Reds predicament.

On a real positive McCormick did well, a few turnovers with miscommunication with other players but encouraging signs. MJ did really well when she came on.

Back to the armchair its so easy from here…

[juniorsupporter]

Cg1- I reckon you deserve some time in your armchair after such a lengthy, clearly well-considered post!!

[M@rvin]

Was also disapointing that there was no change of formation/tactics after half time.

[johnydep]

An armchair review of the game.

I’m going to go completely against public opinion and write I thought most of the Lady Reds players IMO at times looked good with some nice plays and balls through to attacking positions but…
5 nil is a very bad loss in any terms it's a spanking without doubt.
Melbourne's midfielders worked so hard box to box, plus they were cutting across our defensive line with seemingly no tracking from our midfielders. Our midfielders might be good on the ball but I would suspect if they had GPS tracking on them compared to Melbourne’s Mids, MV’s mids would have double or triple their mileage. So many times MV midfielders would lead to the ball then only when the ball was played to the opponent would the Lady Red mids make an effort to close. Way too late IMO, either go early as she leads to the ball or let them have it and hold for the next pass, going so late only creates another hole to be played through. A bunch of other things to mention defensively but that would require mentioning specific players so won't bother going there.

Poor GK Harvey, 5 in the net would say she has had a bad day again I actually thought she had an ok game but the lack of accountability at the back when being over run with midfielders pushing through wasn’t up to scratch.

Again I’m going to go against the seeming public view that the team don’t feel the hurt of a defeat. I would suspect the girls feel it bad but lose enough and perhaps it just becomes a bit numb to another defeat. It seems to me by not adjusting and playing to our strengths we aren’t chasing a win just looking to restrict damage and that is what becomes demoralizing more than another defeat. Only changes when they eventually come are like for like. Same structure whole game. Melbourne played 3 at back but we still had our lone striker constantly isolated. Just a suggestion matching with 352 and put them under some pressure. McCormick and MJ together for half a game would have been interesting to observe.
I was expecting to see every ball rolled out and played out from the back but the GK did some long kicks. Is this a change for this game? Not heard anyone mention the team was kicking long from some GK possessions nor have I seen it up till this game. I couldn’t fathom the apparent directive though to kick a ball in the air to the shortest AU player on the field. Unfortunately I don’t think we won one of these but the immediate pressure relief at the back was very evident. Seems obvious to go to an AMF or Striker and for them to feed contested lay offs to the MF’s or wingers, maybe too obvious...

A number of times MV committed numbers forward, Harvey would gain possession and we had excellent opportunity to go forward to a 1 on 2 or better contest with open space behind defense but instead we rolled a ball out to a defender or deep dropping midfielder who was immediately closed down. By rolling out when MV have numbers forward the congestion and forward pressure from MV’s numbers makes playing out near impossible regardless of players technical ability or not. No criticism of the GK I feel certain its a directive to roll our short its just an observation of the result with so many numbers in AU own half. The decision making IMO needs to be worked on - when to attack with a longer ball.

Just an unsolicited piece of advice for the Lady Reds captain. Regardless of what happens with the coach eg. Being sent off and not returning after the game, keeping the players together at the end of the game and going down as a team to applaud and thank the spectators wherever they may be for coming out would be a really positive step.

In a left field thought - Para Hill Knights in the Men’s Premier League (not to be confused with PHK in Women’s Premier League) with a side that I think included 6 debutantes won the League and made the Cup final against the best of the Super League teams. From what I observed they played different types of football depending on players available, conditions and circumstances. In the end they were playing a decent possession game. They only train a few times a week less than the Lady Reds if you believe the reports. Some principles they applied to their season would seem to suit the Lady Reds predicament.

On a real positive McCormick did well, a few turnovers with miscommunication with other players but encouraging signs. MJ did really well when she came on.

Back to the armchair its so easy from here…

Well said.

I also like this -

The W LEAGUE IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT LEAGUE!!! http://www.footballnews.com.au/forum/vi ... 9&start=30

Winning games must be the first priority at the highest level of the sport. The sport needs supporters and fans to come out to the game, to watch and help financially. If the team keeps losing games, especially with such large scores, people will lose interest. And why do we have professional sports? So that people come and pay to see the game, and media telecast the games, and sponsors come on board.

For seven years, I have taken my kids and their friends to the local Men's League games (filmed quite a few https://www.youtube.com/user/jpdepalma?feature=mhee ), sometimes their parents would come and slowly it became a regular event. I've tried to do the same with the Women's League games, but due to the poor performances over the past few years no one wanted to go. This changed last year with the new coach, Dave had the girls playing some good football. This year with the first win, I had some interest from my daughter and her friends to watch the games; not anymore. I can not get anyone to go to a game with me.

Development is a must, but winning is mandatory at the highest level. Teams don't have to win all games, but they need to win enough so that the fans have a reason to take time out of their day to watch. It's hard for most to go out when they know that more than likely the outcome will be a loss.

I thought that we'd have a different year, I thought and hoped that we'd win a third of our games. It's not fair to blame the coach, not when the system we have is broken.

I purchased a Family Membership for the year, if the offer is on again next season I'll do it again. But that will be my last year of 3, 4, 5 goal losses.

[adam]

I enjoyed watching Jessica Waterhouse stand up and be counted... did not take a backward step all day.