Round 4: Newcastle vs Lady Reds

[Red-4-Life]

Newcastle Jets v Adelaide United
Saturday 17 November 2012
Wanderers Oval, Newcastle
Local kick-off: 4.30pm

As the only Westfield W-League side without a win, Newcastle Jets will be desperate for three points against last season’s cellar dwellers. The Jets will, however, have to make do without the guile and drive in midfield offered by Emily Van Egmond who will be on Matildas duty. Van Egmond’s absence will be partly offset by the return of defender Stacey Day from suspension, with the Jets desperate to arrest their defensive woes having shipped 15 goals in their opening four outings.

Adelaide, similarly, will be looking to halt a three-match losing streak, having started the campaign brightly with a win. In their defence, the three defeats have been against top–four teams. Last weekend United were outplayed at times by a rampant Brisbane Roar, yet still managed to create some gilt-edged goalscoring opportunities. Expect plenty of attacking endeavour from both teams with the vanquished to be left propping up the table.

Newcastle Jets squad: 1. Eliza CAMPBELL (gk), 2. Hannah BREWER 3. Hayley CRAWFORD, 4.Gemma PEARCE, 5. Tori HUSTER, 6. Angela SALEM, 7. Gema SIMON, 9. Tara ANDREWS, 11. Kate HENSMAN, 12. Tiffany BOSHERS, 13. Bronte Bates 14. Sammara SCHMITZER, 15. Alishia FOOTE, 16. Stacey DAY , 18. Michaela HATZIRODOS, 20. Alannah ROSEWOOD (gk) (* one to be omitted)

Ins: Stacey DAY (returns from suspension)
Outs: Emily VAN EGMOND (national team duty)
Unavailable: 8. Madeline SEARL (injury)

Adelaide United squad: 1. Kristi HARVEY (gk), 2. Ruth WALLACE, 3. Alex NATOLI, 5. Abby ERCEG (c), 6. Cassandra TSOUMBRIS, 7. Racheal QUIGLEY, 8. Sarah McLAUGHLIN, 9. Marijana RACJIC, 13. Ann MAYO, 14. Lorena MAGGIO, 16. Jess WATERHOUSE, 17. Laura JOHNS, 18. Georgia MACRI, 19. Holly PATTERSON

Ins: Grace HENRY (promoted), Jess WATERHOUSE (returns from Australia U-16 duty), Laura Johns (promoted)
Outs: Elise WHORLOW (omitted), Emma CHECKER (National team duty), Kelly BARLTROP (omitted)
Unavailable: Nil

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I think they girls will win, 2-0

[scipio africanus]

Newcastle are a rabble and without their best player.

Should be a good win today by the lady reds.

C'mon united!

[scipio africanus]

So much for my prediction and analysis! What happened??? Newcastle hadn't won a single game and conceded 14 goals in 4 games. Bar checker we appeared full strength.

[Red-4-Life]

Well I don't know what to say....losing 4-0 to the team that had been the whipping team of the league is back to the drawing board and probably signs that the team is heading not too far any time soon. I know I have said different in previous weeks but this result is just poor

[Caretaker Coach]

Reading the report on the Jets website, sounds like we were slow starting again. Jets 2-0 up with the second goal a penalty just before h/t. We came out more fired up in the 2nd half, however Jets scored a 3rd goal, and a 4th not long after to kill the game off.
Reds came close, hit the woodwork on two occasions ( 2nd half ). Apparently Jets have recruited 2 American players who were real guns on the day, scored a goal each, controlled most of the game according to the match report. We need to do something about our pre match warmup, cant blame travel as we were slow starting against Brisbane as well, sound like we have a few defensive issues ( Jets missed few scoring chances ) - if we can sort that out, and, put our chances away ( I dont use luck as an excuse,hitting the woodwork is not bad luck, its bad shooting )we will do better. ( imo )

[voldemort]

Oh dear what an unfortunate result.
It’s hard to see Newcastle paying heaps to their player so it’s not about money and who can pay the most.
What we do know for sure is the Lady Reds have a quality squad.
In perspective its only one loss, yes a very bad one but then in full context when you add up last seasons losses and the NTC and this season it must be getting concerning for FFSA.

FFSA have a Technical Director maybe its time to get some technical and tactical consultation and assistance on the Lady Reds - results say things aren’t working.

[scipio africanus]

Reading the report on the Jets website, sounds like we were slow starting again. Jets 2-0 up with the second goal a penalty just before h/t. We came out more fired up in the 2nd half, however Jets scored a 3rd goal, and a 4th not long after to kill the game off.
Reds came close, hit the woodwork on two occasions ( 2nd half ). Apparently Jets have recruited 2 American players who were real guns on the day, scored a goal each, controlled most of the game according to the match report. We need to do something about our pre match warmup, cant blame travel as we were slow starting against Brisbane as well, sound like we have a few defensive issues ( Jets missed few scoring chances ) - if we can sort that out, and, put our chances away ( I dont use luck as an excuse,hitting the woodwork is not bad luck, its bad shooting )we will do better. ( imo )

I read the match commentary from the FFA website.

It appears that Newcastle dominated. The two shots that hit the post came when we were already 4 nil down and Newcastle obviously taking the foot off the pedal.

Also appears that Harvey made a string of saves otherwise it could have got real ugly.

Losing 4 nil against the bottom team and the fourth loss on the trot will now start to ring alarm bells, especially considering how short the season is. We haven't scored from open play since round 1 and now regularly conceding and having our keeper figure consistently in the teams best players. Take out the fantastic 10 minute hat trick from the NZ striker in round 1 when we were 3-1 down, we could have been looking at 5 zip.

Sydney next week at home ... best we hope that their 5 Mathilda's are still away on national team duty, even then it won't be easy.

[southern]

Saying "I told you so" doesn't help, but apart from few helpless optimists most people would have told you that the team was not going to achieve anything a long time ago. Unfortunately there are ppl here that think the Lady Reds played "good football" last week...obviously we don't watch the same games. The truth is that they are poorly prepared, not that the opponents are always so much better. :? I wonder if DE will add the clip of this game to his resume for the Matildas. No excuses this year, the coach had a whole year to pick his crop and he even brought in many imports. Where are the results? Where is the improvement? Don't come and tell us that it's about money, that in SA the players just aren't good, that it's all the clubs' fault etc.

Face it, who is responsible for this team continues to do an embarrassing job. Period.

[Gazelle]

Disappointing result. It's a pity we couldn't see the game to comment of areas which need to be improved on and things that the team did well.

[juniorsupporter]

Bad Egg- I continue to be an optimist. I feel sorry for those who have lost all hope- I'll admit things aren't looking good where wins and losses are concerned but I still believe that the program is in a much better place than it was in 2 years ago, and I for one will continue to be hopeful and supportive of the girls and the program.

All the naysayers on here remind me of girls on the pitch who constantly point out when someone misses a pass or a shot on goal yelling, " c'mon girls, give me an option!' Or ' do (insert whatever) next time!'- or if they miss receiving a tough pass it's all everyone else's fault. All that does is take whatever positive thing that's happening and bury it, dragging everyone down. Tearing others down when you are looking for success as a team doesn't improve anything.

It's important to build on positives- we don't have the footage, so we as spectators can't see what went on, (and even if we did there would be a hundred different opinions about it) but I'm sure there were positives and that the girls and DE will try to build on those rather than whinging about having lost or blaming each other. It's the only path to making things better.

I know I'll either get crucified for this line of thought, or ignored. Whatever. It's what I believe.

[QuantoQuesta]

Who in the lady reds would be selected in any other W League side??

Erceg, checker and maybe Waterhouse, no one else, so no big surprise they struggle!

Players still unfit, still technically poor, still amateurish in their preparation. SASI and FFSA are failing and until the players are removed from clubs and train and play together year round they will continue to fail, and I don't mean the young ones in the NTC team, full W League side training year round away from the women's premier league!

Perth, Canberra, Sydney, Brisbane, all have their top players (5 or 6 per team) playing professionally in US, Sweden or wherever in the off season when we have them playing against 13 year olds in the local league - JOKE! But clubs would never let it happen, so prepare to face this struggle every year!

[juniorsupporter]

Case in point.

[richoman]

we need to face the fact the football in S.A. had fallen well behind and as such we are coming from a long way back . So improvement wont happen overnight .
We need to be patient as there is an underachieving culture barrier which needs to be broken down and rebuilt .
Already this year we have seen a squad that is capable of playing competitive football but is lacking in the confidence to take the next step
This confidence will be built by taking the positives ( no matter how small )
from each match
So whilst it is always healthy to expose the negatives , it is vital that the positives are lauded and used as a foundation to build upon

May the Force be with You

[snow white]

Bad Egg- I continue to be an optimist. I feel sorry for those who have lost all hope- I'll admit things aren't looking good where wins and losses are concerned but I still believe that the program is in a much better place than it was in 2 years ago, and I for one will continue to be hopeful and supportive of the girls and the program.

All the naysayers on here remind me of girls on the pitch who constantly point out when someone misses a pass or a shot on goal yelling, " c'mon girls, give me an option!' Or ' do (insert whatever) next time!'- or if they miss receiving a tough pass it's all everyone else's fault. All that does is take whatever positive thing that's happening and bury it, dragging everyone down. Tearing others down when you are looking for success as a team doesn't improve anything.

It's important to build on positives- we don't have the footage, so we as spectators can't see what went on, (and even if we did there would be a hundred different opinions about it) but I'm sure there were positives and that the girls and DE will try to build on those rather than whinging about having lost or blaming each other. It's the only path to making things better.

I know I'll either get crucified for this line of thought, or ignored. Whatever. It's what I believe.

Believe it or not JS, I too want to be optimistic, but accountability for decisions (both good and bad) in any profession is critical.

You admit to 'things not looking good', but in your experiences, has anyone in womens football (paid professionals) ever been held to account cause 'things don't look good' and haven't for a number of years??

Yet those who dare question the current state of affairs are tagged as destructive, chastised for not being positive, as Nero plays the fiddle whilst Rome burns.

Yesterdays disaster result against the then competitions bottom team, was just further anecdotal evidence of the current malaise, that begins and ends with the sick health of the grass roots of the game here in this State. Make no mistake, you cannot have a sustainable. successful ongoing elite program if the feeder system is in disarray and the key stakeholders dis-united.

Its also overly simplistic to accuse one person or just the FFSA, in particular DE who inherited a sick state of affairs. The root causes are many and varied.

There is no overnight cure, but we do look for leadership, vision and someone to build a rapport and unite the football fraternity. From that basis, maybe we can generate the necessary positivity.

[SAD GAL]

Ouch. Everyone has raised good discussion.

Basically, you're right....who from Adelaide would walk into another team? This is also the case for the Matildas. If players cannot perform in the Reds....they will not get selected for National Team duties. A once a year state tournament or doing well in the local comp will NOT get you a gig with the Matildas.

WHEN ARE YOU PEOPLE GOING TO STAND UP FOR YOUR GAME AND DEMAND BETTER? never. Because you don't want to rock the boast and jeopardise your spots. Basically it only takes one player and then the avalanche will follow.

Do nothing and you will get the same crap every year. A Poorly prepared and poorly managed team. End of the day girls, the officials will be blaming YOU for the performances. They will blame your lack of commitment. They will say that you lack ability.

I say we lack leadership from the top. If the Lad Reds are seen as the platform to launch you national career then SA needs to make sure we have the best structure for this to occur.

What happens is nothing short of a disgrace. For the last 4-5 seasons, the lack of preparation results in excruciatingly poor results. This team needs to be together all year round. OK make the squad bigger and bring in imports to put the icing on the cake but the nucleus is there.

The Lady Reds is NOT a development squad. SASI (to their credit) tried to lift the skill level of players from a low base in the local leagues and then prepare them for elite pathways. Its not SASI’s role to do this. Neither is it the Reds however, given the very poor skills base the local league provides, a year round lady reds program is what’s required otherwise SA will fold and become insignificant AND the many worthy players will not get a chance to progress.

[juniorsupporter]

"given the very poor skills base the local league provides"

I think this snippet is worth attention. I feel that one factor is the quality of female players that are currently being produced is that unless they play with the boys all the way through, they are coming to the game too late (normally around 9-11) and getting generally poorer quality coaching than the boys...by the time a U15 state team is playing the Skillaroos (and getting played off the park), at the club level those girls have only had a few years on the pitch with mostly underqualified Dads (and occasionally moms) coaching them (no disrespect to the time and effort those parents put in- without them we'd really have nothing). The young Skillaroos, on the other hand, have been on the park since age 5 or 6 getting a higher quality of coaching input with an emphasis on skills development from a very early age. Girls are at a disadvantage from the start here in SA.

Many on here will lay responsibility for those circumstances squarely at the feet of FFSA, but I think that's only part of a more nuanced story.

Anyway we are obviously seeing the effects of this at the elite level. It's only one element, but a significant one I think.

[paul merson]

"given the very poor skills base the local league provides"

I think this snippet is worth attention. I feel that one factor is the quality of female players that are currently being produced is that unless they play with the boys all the way through, they are coming to the game too late (normally around 9-11) and getting generally poorer quality coaching than the boys...by the time a U15 state team is playing the Skillaroos (and getting played off the park), at the club level those girls have only had a few years on the pitch with mostly underqualified Dads (and occasionally moms) coaching them (no disrespect to the time and effort those parents put in- without them we'd really have nothing). The young Skillaroos, on the other hand, have been on the park since age 5 or 6 getting a higher quality of coaching input with an emphasis on skills development from a very early age. Girls are at a disadvantage from the start here in SA.

Many on here will lay responsibility for those circumstances squarely at the feet of FFSA, but I think that's only part of a more nuanced story.

Anyway we are obviously seeing the effects of this at the elite level. It's only one element, but a significant one I think.

My daughter is 5, her coach is an AFC A class licence holder, a former super league senior coach, so there are options out there, but she is the only girl in her age group, there are some in the older group, but the problem is what happens when she's not allowed to play with the boys anymore, where too then?

Sad girl I disagree with one of your points,

SASI (to their credit) tried to lift the skill level of players from a low base in the local leagues and then prepare them for elite pathways. Its not SASI’s role to do this.

Ok its not soley SASI's job but what then is the job of SASI now NTC?

But you are right, if the foundations are poor your building will be poor, and from the games Ive seen in the local league there is way too bigger gap to the w league, the mens game finds the same issue too, hence the low numbers of locally produced players in AU.

[johnydep]

"given the very poor skills base the local league provides"

I think this snippet is worth attention. I feel that one factor is the quality of female players that are currently being produced is that unless they play with the boys all the way through, they are coming to the game too late (normally around 9-11) and getting generally poorer quality coaching than the boys..

Girls playing for the boys may have it's advantages, in regards to skill acquisition; but is it frowned upon?.

FFSA State training and selection criteria is a bit of a mystery to most Clubs, players and parents. I made enquiries about what's best for the girls at our club - 'stay with the boys team or go to a girls team?' - "I would encouraging the players to move to a club in the Women’s Premier Division. Most of these clubs have junior age groups but they also have the pathway for the player to progress into."

With the way information is shared with our club (lack of info, being left out of the loop on more than one occasion), the changing of squads, the trial process, training, etc. There may be internal recommendations that the girls play in girls teams.

[billy the kid]

Good debate and a lot of frustration out there. Understandable. I lived with this for 10 years. The last 6 years away from the game have been the most blissful.

My daughter moved into the women’s comp after 2 years with the boys comp and in a mixed school team. She held her own and loved the game to bits. Physical, skilful and excited about the game. Something I think many of you dads and mums will relate too.

Come 12 years old…she has to move into the girls comp. If she wants to get “noticed” and wants to make her way up the ranks she needs to play in the girls comp.

Moves to a well know club and tries out for under 14’s. From day one I said “WTF”. This cannot be where she needs to be. Even at under 13 boys, the under 14 girls was a universe (not a world) away. Quiet quickly her aggression and attack of the game was penalised by not only the referees (we’re here to make sure the game is played in a manner that all players can contribute!!!!!)

Fast forward at age 14 to play in prems. A kid against WOMEN. Many of which lacked skill, ability and a bad hair style aka Eliz Vale…during which she was taken out by the GK and never wanted to play in prems again.

This is where the root of the problem is. The comp at which players should be excepted to play is not commensurate with the environment they need to play in. To play in prems with half decent players is not right.

SASI (unlike the boys whereby they recruited players for a couple of seasons and whom were identified as having exceptional skills already) had to become the bridge between the underprepared local league and try and manufacture a player that had half a chance at getting into a National league squad. This is not their role. But it had to be. I’m not a fan of SASI but at the time it represented the best environment for girls. And unlike the boys, many players were in the SASI system for many many years although their time to get selected from the Matildas went.

Look at many of the ex-SA players that made national selection, Di Alagich and Stacey Stocco for instance. Tow players whom were coached by their fathers. Played in boys comp and were successful. Name me one other that has come through the women’s game and can be placed alongside Di?

Will it change? Too late for this to happen.

[juniorsupporter]

I think you'll find that girls who play at boys clubs are being recognized and included in the girls state programs more and more. They are not as out of the loop as they were a few years ago. And coaches appreciate their aggression and skill. I think there are 3 or 4 girls from boys clubs in the current u14/15 selection.

As for the five year old getting good coaching and playing with boys, that's great. That opportunity doesn't exist at the women's clubs. I think she's an exception though.

[John Cena]

the thing that is a problem is that we have 3 players from NZ that as results show have really not added any value to the squad, how much is this costing ????

[johnydep]

I think you'll find that girls who play at boys clubs are being recognized and included in the girls state programs more and more. They are not as out of the loop as they were a few years ago. And coaches appreciate their aggression and skill. I think there are 3 or 4 girls from boys clubs in the current u14/15 selection.

As for the five year old getting good coaching and playing with boys, that's great. That opportunity doesn't exist at the women's clubs. I think she's an exception though.

I know that you'll find that that is incorrect. I speak from personal experience as a Club official since 2007, and as a parent.

[haywood djablowme]

What we do know for sure is the Lady Reds have a quality squad.

cant stop laughing at this comment

Snow white is spot on!

[Lucas Leiva]

Ouch. Everyone has raised good discussion.

Basically, you're right....who from Adelaide would walk into another team? This is also the case for the Matildas. If players cannot perform in the Reds....they will not get selected for National Team duties. A once a year state tournament or doing well in the local comp will NOT get you a gig with the Matildas.

AU Men are top of the table and not a single player is in the Socceroos squad...so what's your point?

Is your expectation to be in the Top 3 of the W-League, have 2-3 players in the Matildas squad, and be playing attractive football? If you answered YES to all 3 questions, then which do you think needs to come first?

Attractive football. It comes from the National Curriculum. This has only been rolled out over the last couple of years. The benefits won't be there until current 10 year olds make it to the Senior level.

At least the girls play a pro-active style and are all based in SA this year.

And - unlike Central Coast and Melbourne Heart - at least we have a women's team for girls to aim for.

[juniorsupporter]

I think you'll find that girls who play at boys clubs are being recognized and included in the girls state programs more and more. They are not as out of the loop as they were a few years ago. And coaches appreciate their aggression and skill. I think there are 3 or 4 girls from boys clubs in the current u14/15 selection.

As for the five year old getting good coaching and playing with boys, that's great. That opportunity doesn't exist at the women's clubs. I think she's an exception though.

I know that you'll find that that is incorrect. I speak from personal experience as a Club official since 2007, and as a parent.

Sorry, which part are you referring to? The girl being one of a few or the girls being included more in state squads? Or the part about five year olds not having a comp at the women's clubs? Or the coaches appreciating the aggression and skill of girls that come from the boys comp? Which "this" is incorrect?

[billy the kid]

Ouch. Everyone has raised good discussion.

Basically, you're right....who from Adelaide would walk into another team? This is also the case for the Matildas. If players cannot perform in the Reds....they will not get selected for National Team duties. A once a year state tournament or doing well in the local comp will NOT get you a gig with the Matildas.

Need to stop comparing women to the mens comp. SAme game different animal.

Simple equation. No calculator required. The majority of players come from Qld or NSW. The Vic and WA. SA was teher with Vic but due the degradation of the competition and of course the woes of the Lady Reds, we're ve been with Tas and NT sicen 2008.

Simply SA is no longer considered a place where potential Matildas reside. I don't count junior or youth matildas as part of this (we have token representation), its the top echilon that I'm talking about.

National curriculum. Results soon. Don't think so. Unfortunately the local comp needs to be singing from the same song sheet. Otherwise (as has been the case with State and SASI) the clubs don't have the resources to support any national curriculum.

AU Men are top of the table and not a single player is in the Socceroos squad...so what's your point?

Is your expectation to be in the Top 3 of the W-League, have 2-3 players in the Matildas squad, and be playing attractive football? If you answered YES to all 3 questions, then which do you think needs to come first?

Attractive football. It comes from the National Curriculum. This has only been rolled out over the last couple of years. The benefits won't be there until current 10 year olds make it to the Senior level.

At least the girls play a pro-active style and are all based in SA this year.

And - unlike Central Coast and Melbourne Heart - at least we have a women's team for girls to aim for.

[johnydep]

I think you'll find that girls who play at boys clubs are being recognized and included in the girls state programs more and more. They are not as out of the loop as they were a few years ago. And coaches appreciate their aggression and skill. I think there are 3 or 4 girls from boys clubs in the current u14/15 selection.

As for the five year old getting good coaching and playing with boys, that's great. That opportunity doesn't exist at the women's clubs. I think she's an exception though.

I know that you'll find that that is incorrect. I speak from personal experience as a Club official since 2007, and as a parent.

[Easy Tiger]

Ouch. Everyone has raised good discussion.

Basically, you're right....who from Adelaide would walk into another team? This is also the case for the Matildas. If players cannot perform in the Reds....they will not get selected for National Team duties. A once a year state tournament or doing well in the local comp will NOT get you a gig with the Matildas.

AU Men are top of the table and not a single player is in the Socceroos squad...so what's your point?

Is your expectation to be in the Top 3 of the W-League, have 2-3 players in the Matildas squad, and be playing attractive football? If you answered YES to all 3 questions, then which do you think needs to come first?

Attractive football. It comes from the National Curriculum. This has only been rolled out over the last couple of years. The benefits won't be there until current 10 year olds make it to the Senior level.

At least the girls play a pro-active style and are all based in SA this year.

And - unlike Central Coast and Melbourne Heart - at least we have a women's team for girls to aim for.

When I go to the games I only see frustrated fans and a bunch of parents who only think about their daughters...Everyone thinks about her/himself. And the results are there for everybody to see.

Some imports were brought in and they are not really doing anything special (except for one). And...are they playing a pro-active style??? What I saw so far...was not so "pro-active". How it is possible that these "great imports" come here and all of a sudden they become garbage...? The way I see it, either they should not be "scouted" ( )...or if they were any good and were legitimately "scouted" for some reason they can't perform. And who's fault is this?

I wish they gave the team to someone who can bring some results and not more and more excuses...Enough excuses!

[John Cena]

i would love to hear from the coach about the results , especially after the blog that was posted on here pre season

[scipio africanus]

i would love to hear from the coach about the results , especially after the blog that was posted on here pre season

What was written in the pre-season blog???