Saturday vs Sunday Amateurs

[Yellows]

There is a bit of discussion at the moment across the nullarbor about the merits of a Saturday amateur league in Perth (Amateurs is Sunday only, Saturday hosts only 3 State leagues). With the SA structure touted as how it could be run.

How does it work in SA?

Are players allowed to pay on both days?

Is one day stronger than the other (tentatively asking as I don't want to create a "our day is better than yours" argument)?

How or why do clubs choose a particular day to play on?

What are players main motivatios for choosing which day to play on?

Is there a cross over between the two days (challenge cup or play off bwtween top 2?)

Can clubs change days?

Sorry for all the questions, hopefully somebody can be arsed to answer some of them.

Great forum by the way, much more piss taking than ours

[Rampant Antagonism]

Players can play on both days if they are registered with a club which has teams playing on both days.

[Ernie Cooksey]

OK i'll be arsed
Clubs can opt to play either day. There are more teams in the SAASL which play on Sundays, and on the whole the Sunday league is the stronger of the two. Not to say that Saturday's league doesn't have decent teams or players, but the overall depth and quality of players is unquestionable.
This is largely due to Sundays having been established far longer than the Saturday league, being created as a workmens league back in the 60's( maybe late 50's not sure). The players/workers usually worked overtime on Saturdays and had only Sundays free. Our Feds also play Saturdays, like you guys, which obviously takes away potential support and some playing stocks from the saturday am's.
You may have noticed we have a large contingent of mummy's boys and religious freaks in SA. These are the people that play on Saturdays, as to not incur the wraith of their mother or their God. (At Easter time or Mother's Day)
A lot of the clubs in the top 2 Sunday divs have grown well and are well supported and organised, again more than Saturday, and recent grants have helped improve a lot of clubrooms and facilities around the league and for any journeymen, is the day which gives them a better chance of earning some decent coin.
Some clubs have switched days in the past for various reasons. Maybe due to an influx of altarboys or tradesman, again not sure.
The only way I'm aware players can play both days is in the rare event of a club having fixtures on both Saturday or Sunday, as they are only allowed to be registered to one club. My club being one of these rarities, off the top of my head, can't think of another apart from Parafield Gardens.
The cup each year comprises both leagues and the drawn home team dictates which day the fixture is played on, so on cup rounds there are numerous clubs playing on their non preferred day. This year's A & B finals were both Sat v Sun with the Sunday clubs prevailing.
Hope that answers at least some of your questions.

[Yellows]

Cheers Blueblood, thanks for taking the time.

Interesting that Sundays is more popular or higher standard. I think people here think there would be a lot of players wanting to play Saturdays (mainly for getting on the piss I suppose) as opposed to Sundays.

You mentioned Sunday players getting more coin. Do many clubs in amateurs pay players? Whats a normal rate?

Also is there any system for clubs wishing to join Feds, promotion? application? or because of the FFSA affiliation issue are most of your clubs happy where they are?


www.hamersleyrovers.com.au
NCFC

[Rampant Antagonism]

I've had some good games against Hammersly Rovers in the past, before Shamrock Rovers made the jump into the State league.

[Ernie Cooksey]

Cheers Blueblood, thanks for taking the time.

Interesting that Sundays is more popular or higher standard. I think people here think there would be a lot of players wanting to play Saturdays (mainly for getting on the piss I suppose) as opposed to Sundays.

You mentioned Sunday players getting more coin. Do many clubs in amateurs pay players? Whats a normal rate?

Also is there any system for clubs wishing to join Feds, promotion? application? or because of the FFSA affiliation issue are most of your clubs happy where they are?


http://www.hamersleyrovers.com.au
NCFC

Getting on it is the reason I prefer to play on a Saturday also.
The coin can be anything from petrol money to a few hundred, but that is only for the people that get it. The majority would pay to play and there are only a handful in amateurs that command the top bracket. But for those that chase it, the better chance of earning comes on Sunday.
There is no system for promotion to the Feds, but there have been clubs that have switched from one to the other, but as you say, most are happy where thay are and wouldn't touch the Feds comp with a ten foot pole (good band by the way).
Not many Saturday clubs are equipped to go Feds, be it facilities or playing stocks, and a Sunday club would have to change days with the possibility of depleting numbers by doing so. Most clubs in the top divs are so established, and have built up such strong rivalries that they receive plenty of support which enables them to put on food etc for the away team etc, pay a few stars, and still build the bank balance. It would make no sense to switch. That, and the feds are cunts.

[Jay Walking]

Cheers Blueblood, thanks for taking the time.

Interesting that Sundays is more popular or higher standard. I think people here think there would be a lot of players wanting to play Saturdays (mainly for getting on the piss I suppose) as opposed to Sundays.

You mentioned Sunday players getting more coin. Do many clubs in amateurs pay players? Whats a normal rate?

Also is there any system for clubs wishing to join Feds, promotion? application? or because of the FFSA affiliation issue are most of your clubs happy where they are?


http://www.hamersleyrovers.com.au
NCFC

I think you'll find that most clubs in the "Sunday Premier League" pay their players whilst a few in Sunday Div 2 and the "Saturday Premier League" pay some players.

The Sunday league is more popular not so much due to the day but due to the clubs who are involved. If you are involved in a FFSA club, you do what you have to do on Saturday and then can go watch a Sunday amateur game with a beer in hand and no stress. This also works vice versa. I would prefer to play on Saturday but reality is, we would lose a lot of players if we went Saturday and we would have a quarter of the crowd due to people attending FFSA or SANFL games.

The FFSA V SAASL "war" has been going on for a little while now. The FFSA have previously welcomed any SAASL club who wants to come over. There was talk of 3-4 FFSA clubs coming to the SAASL. You will find that clubs like Adelaide Raiders, White City, Blue Eagles etc who are FFSA clubs actually have teams in the SAASL and call their club by their orginal name ie Raiders = Croatia. Players cant be dual registered and cant play in the FFSA club on Saturday and then line up for their SAASL club on Sunday. The majority of those teams with a FFSA club use their SAASL club a little more socially than the wholely and solely SAASL clubs.

[Yellows]

I've had some good games against Hammersly Rovers in the past, before Shamrock Rovers made the jump into the State league.

Yeah we had a great rivalry, probably one of the best in the amateur leagues, until they "sold their soul" to the state leagues I think some of the old guard may regret the decision but they have made a good fist of it so far. With Fremantle United and Murdoch Uni (Melville now) also making the move its a very different amateur scene.

[Yellows]

Cheers Blueblood, thanks for taking the time.

Interesting that Sundays is more popular or higher standard. I think people here think there would be a lot of players wanting to play Saturdays (mainly for getting on the piss I suppose) as opposed to Sundays.

You mentioned Sunday players getting more coin. Do many clubs in amateurs pay players? Whats a normal rate?

Also is there any system for clubs wishing to join Feds, promotion? application? or because of the FFSA affiliation issue are most of your clubs happy where they are?


http://www.hamersleyrovers.com.au
NCFC

I think you'll find that most clubs in the "Sunday Premier League" pay their players whilst a few in Sunday Div 2 and the "Saturday Premier League" pay some players.

The Sunday league is more popular not so much due to the day but due to the clubs who are involved. If you are involved in a FFSA club, you do what you have to do on Saturday and then can go watch a Sunday amateur game with a beer in hand and no stress. This also works vice versa. I would prefer to play on Saturday but reality is, we would lose a lot of players if we went Saturday and we would have a quarter of the crowd due to people attending FFSA or SANFL games.

The FFSA V SAASL "war" has been going on for a little while now. The FFSA have previously welcomed any SAASL club who wants to come over. There was talk of 3-4 FFSA clubs coming to the SAASL. You will find that clubs like Adelaide Raiders, White City, Blue Eagles etc who are FFSA clubs actually have teams in the SAASL and call their club by their orginal name ie Raiders = Croatia. Players cant be dual registered and cant play in the FFSA club on Saturday and then line up for their SAASL club on Sunday. The majority of those teams with a FFSA club use their SAASL club a little more socially than the wholely and solely SAASL clubs.

Interesting how many pay. I would be very surprised if any amateur clubs here were paying players, maybe the odd bit of petrol money or rego fee covered but thats about it. It must create a fair bit of player movement and the odd mercenary. You must generate a decent bit of cash to sustain it. Whats normal $100 a game? Sounds like you've got some very well set up clubs in the upper leagues, a shame we couldn't have played one last Saturday in the challenge (not taking anything away from International from Mt Gambier though).

www.hamersleyrovers.com.au
NCFC

[bigpond]

My club being one of these rarities, off the top of my head, can't think of another apart from Parafield Gardens.

Fulham next season could have a Sat team as well as an extra team to go with its traditional Sunday teams.

[Stitch That]

I've had some good games against Hammersly Rovers in the past, before Shamrock Rovers made the jump into the State league.

Yeah we had a great rivalry, probably one of the best in the amateur leagues, until they "sold their soul" to the state leagues I think some of the old guard may regret the decision but they have made a good fist of it so far. With Fremantle United and Murdoch Uni (Melville now) also making the move its a very different amateur scene.

I was very surprised Shamrock Rovers made the switch because they had resisted it for many years before that.

[Bomber]

Bottom line, over here, Sunday amateurs kill the Saturday league...........

[ecten]

I've had some good games against Hammersly Rovers in the past, before Shamrock Rovers made the jump into the State league.

Yeah we had a great rivalry, probably one of the best in the amateur leagues, until they "sold their soul" to the state leagues I think some of the old guard may regret the decision but they have made a good fist of it so far. With Fremantle United and Murdoch Uni (Melville now) also making the move its a very different amateur scene.

I was very surprised Shamrock Rovers made the switch because they had resisted it for many years before that.

It was because of a few reasons...

1) They won the Amateur Premier in 2010 and so were the only team offered promotion. (Queens Park were relegated to the Amateur Premier in their place).
2) A new Saturday State League Div 2 league was due to start in 2012. Any club could apply, there was at least 5 Premier amateur clubs predicted to move over at the time, which would have weakened the league.
3) If they did not accept promotion when they won in 2010, it meant they would have to start from Div 2 if they decided to make the move in the future, instead of being in Div 1, where they are now.
4) Had been a strong amateur club for many years, if they were ever going to make the switch, it was basically now or never.

[Stitch That]

4) Had been a strong amateur club for many years, if they were ever going to make the switch, it was basically now or never.

Certainly one of the best clubs I ever played for in this country. I know we had been invited across many times before that and the club was never interested.

[Paleon Patros Germanos]

Bottom line, over here, Sunday amateurs kill the Saturday league...........

you guys at Croydon aren't that bad.

[htfac]

So is it about about ability or about business?? There is no doubt many clubs can and have the ego and player stock to play FFSA, but why would they??? It makes no business sense to do so. No doubt those who have decided to move over now questioned the move. Gawler?? NAB?? Cove??? Junior development?? Aim for numbers and garnish the dividend from natural ability. Its about the love and enjoyment of the game ,not dominance, as per Europe, or desperation, as per Africa or South America.

[robinfriday10]

Most amateur clubs play on open council playing fields without fencing which makes it difficult to meet FFSA criteria (though some FFSA still don't meet criteria). A lot of Sunday Amateur clubs have an allegiance with elizabeth and districts junior soccer association clubs which gives them an edge over most FFSA clubs(and sat amateurs) because they then have teams from under 6s through to seniors including C's and over 35s and in some cases womens. These clubs have become communities that provide club spirit and weekend entertainment without charging up to $9 (like FFSA clubs), making it more affordable for everyone to watch. there is also a mentality in the amateurs where everyone is welcome and nobody gets CUT whereas in feds only the better (opinion dependent) get through therefore lowering the numbers at the clubs. a lot of Saturday amateurs were originally 'old scholar sides' and numerous originals date back to the former federation division 3 which folded back in the early eighties. recently there have been clubs starting up and a couple have crossed from sunday to saturday due to preffered day to play and these days people are more interested in playing than supporting FFSA games which is a shame because there is a lack of atmosphere at most semi pro games but i believe this stems from FFSA management of the game, distrust of FFSA from amateur supporters and value for money at games.

[Ernie Cooksey]

Most amateur clubs play on open council playing fields without fencing which makes it difficult to meet FFSA criteria (though some FFSA still don't meet criteria). A lot of Sunday Amateur clubs have an allegiance with elizabeth and districts junior soccer association clubs which gives them an edge over most FFSA clubs(and sat amateurs) because they then have teams from under 6s through to seniors including C's and over 35s and in some cases womens. These clubs have become communities that provide club spirit and weekend entertainment without charging up to $9 (like FFSA clubs), making it more affordable for everyone to watch. there is also a mentality in the amateurs where everyone is welcome and nobody gets CUT whereas in feds only the better (opinion dependent) get through therefore lowering the numbers at the clubs. a lot of Saturday amateurs were originally 'old scholar sides' and numerous originals date back to the former federation division 3 which folded back in the early eighties. recently there have been clubs starting up and a couple have crossed from sunday to saturday due to preffered day to play and these days people are more interested in playing than supporting FFSA games which is a shame because there is a lack of atmosphere at most semi pro games but i believe this stems from FFSA management of the game, distrust of FFSA from amateur supporters and value for money at games.

Exceptionally well put Mr Friday.

[Shane Cado]

Saturday definately better. only sore until Tuesday.
Sundays sore until Wednesday

All good christians play on Saturday