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God is an Englishman wrote:Plus you basically had your own confederation and still couldn't qualify
Are you specifically referring to Australia attempting to qualify for the World Cup finals via the Oceania Confederation?
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NickyTanner wrote:it's ridiculous countries can pick and choose.
they can't, but they can apply and be accepted. :wink:
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DOC wrote:oceania isn't a continent, australia should be, as it is a continent, in the austraia region, therefore get direct passage into the world cup IF you really want to get technical

so what continent is new zealand in?

Plus you basically had your own confederation and still couldn't qualify
new zealand is in asia

how is oceania our own confederation? its made up by fifa

south america had the power and always got an extra half spot, meaning we had a very difficult qualifier, 90% of the time we made it to that last hurdle
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God is an Englishman wrote:
DOC wrote:oceania isn't a continent, australia should be, as it is a continent, in the austraia region, therefore get direct passage into the world cup IF you really want to get technical

so what continent is new zealand in?

Plus you basically had your own confederation and still couldn't qualify
new zealand is in asia

how is oceania our own confederation? its made up by fifa

south america had the power and always got an extra half spot, meaning we had a very difficult qualifier, 90% of the time we made it to that last hurdle
since when is nz in asia - my schoolboy geography says differently.

oceania is your own confederation because it's the continent that you are in and you are the only half decent team in it. Then you had to play the 6 (??) best team in another continent. If you can't beat them, you don't deserve to be in a world cup.

Surprised you didn't comment about someone wanting a british isles team.
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Every confederation should have at least one full spot.
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Redmum's Avatar wrote:Every confederation should have at least one full spot.
every confederation should earn their spot. You want the best 32 teams in a world cup, not the best 31 and a charity spot.
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God is an Englishman wrote:You want the best 32 teams in a world cup
In that case do away with confederations and draw 31 unseeded groups with the winners joining the hosts at the finals.
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Redmum's Avatar wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:You want the best 32 teams in a world cup
In that case do away with confederations and draw 31 unseeded groups with the winners joining the hosts at the finals.

sounds fair to me, I wonder if western samoa would forefeit when they draw brazil.
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The world has 7 continents, Oceania isn't one of them
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DOC wrote:The world has 7 continents, Oceania isn't one of them
The term is sometimes used more specifically to denote a continent comprising Australia and proximate islands
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God is an Englishman wrote:
DOC wrote:The world has 7 continents, Oceania isn't one of them
The term is sometimes used more specifically to denote a continent comprising Australia and proximate islands
You have been taught some weird stuff, look at a globe and see if that denotes Oceania?

7 continents, that's it
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God is an Englishman wrote:
DOC wrote:The world has 7 continents, Oceania isn't one of them
The term is sometimes used more specifically to denote a continent comprising Australia and proximate islands
You have been taught some weird stuff, look at a globe and see if that denotes Oceania?

7 continents, that's it
it's not just me that's taught that, obviously the bloke down the pub who gave me that quote was taught that as well.

you were taught that NZ is in asia, now that's WEIRD!!
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Never taught that ociania was a continent, it's a region you refer to like the Caribbean or east Asia
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You're both wrong.

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Redmum's Avatar wrote:You're both wrong.

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I've never heard if eurasia or afro asia. How can I take your map seriously when it mentions those. The holes in the gaps in that map are big enough to drive your bus through.

To fully answer this question you need to define "continent". As I said at the start oceania is a common name for the continent.

If we want to be technically 100% correct then there's 8 continents anyway.
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God is an Englishman wrote:I've never heard if eurasia or afro asia. How can I take your map seriously when it mentions those.
Does it?
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Redmum's Avatar wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:I've never heard if eurasia or afro asia. How can I take your map seriously when it mentions those.
Does it?

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hope we win the asian cup in 2015, hopefully some young talent will be hitting there straps in 2015
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DOC wrote:south america had the power and always got an extra half spot
Occasionally the .5 was assigned to Asia (eg. 1998 vs Iran).

Also, still waiting for giae to confirm the meaning of his statement quoted at the top of the page. Perhaps he's afraid to admit he's made an error, or is mulling over which semantics might make him believe (in his own mind) that he can wriggle his way out of it :lol:
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bob saget wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:Plus you basically had your own confederation and still couldn't qualify
Are you specifically referring to Australia attempting to qualify for the World Cup finals via the Oceania Confederation?

Is this what you are waiting for an answer on?

Not sure what you went to oceania so perhaps you can fill in the blanks with what confederation and whether you failed to qualify

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God is an Englishman wrote:
bob saget wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:Plus you basically had your own confederation and still couldn't qualify
Are you specifically referring to Australia attempting to qualify for the World Cup finals via the Oceania Confederation?

Is this what you are waiting for an answer on?

Not sure what you went to oceania so perhaps you can fill in the blanks with what confederation and whether you failed to qualify

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The blank is the 2006 Cup, which you knew of course. Oceania had to qualify by playing the fifth placed South American team. Australia represented the OFC in the finals by eliminating Uruguay in November 2005 (before joining the AFC in 2006 :wink: )
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bob saget wrote:The blank is the 2006 Cup, which you knew of course. Oceania had to qualify by playing the fifth placed South American team. Australia represented the OFC in the finals by eliminating Uruguay in November 2005 (before joining the AFC in 2006 :wink: )

what about all those other years? Did you fail or succeed in qualifying?
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God is an Englishman wrote:
bob saget wrote:The blank is the 2006 Cup, which you knew of course. Oceania had to qualify by playing the fifth placed South American team. Australia represented the OFC in the finals by eliminating Uruguay in November 2005 (before joining the AFC in 2006 :wink: )

what about all those other years? Did you fail or succeed in qualifying?
Plus you basically had your own confederation and still couldn't qualify
Qualified via OFC. Your mistake corrected. Quod erat demonstrandum!
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bob saget wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
bob saget wrote:The blank is the 2006 Cup, which you knew of course. Oceania had to qualify by playing the fifth placed South American team. Australia represented the OFC in the finals by eliminating Uruguay in November 2005 (before joining the AFC in 2006 :wink: )

what about all those other years? Did you fail or succeed in qualifying?
Plus you basically had your own confederation and still couldn't qualify
Qualified via OFC. Your mistake corrected. Quod erat demonstrandum!

and they couldn't qualify on many occasions, the fact that they managed it once does not negate that fact.


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I wonder how many times England would have failed to qualify if they had to play Uruguay or Argentina in a home and away "sudden death" tie after breezing through their own confederated group?
To me, the winner of Oceania should always play against the 0.5 spot in Asia as NZ did last time, rather than expect to play the South American equivalent.
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Bomber wrote:I wonder how many times England would have failed to qualify if they had to play Uruguay or Argentina in a home and away "sudden death" tie after breezing through their own confederated group?
To me, the winner of Oceania should always play against the 0.5 spot in Asia as NZ did last time, rather than expect to play the South American equivalent.

I think we'd have been OK if those teams could only come 5th in the confederation. Uruguay in 02 & 06 were pants.
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Bomber wrote:I wonder how many times England would have failed to qualify if they had to play Uruguay or Argentina in a home and away "sudden death" tie after breezing through their own confederated group?
To me, the winner of Oceania should always play against the 0.5 spot in Asia as NZ did last time, rather than expect to play the South American equivalent.

I think we'd have been OK if those teams could only come 5th in the confederation. Uruguay in 02 & 06 were pants.
In '02 world cup they finished ahead of the reigning world champions in France.

The '10 team that finished 3rd was primarily made up of the squad from the '06 qualification (+suarez).
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Bomber wrote:I wonder how many times England would have failed to qualify if they had to play Uruguay or Argentina in a home and away "sudden death" tie after breezing through their own confederated group?
To me, the winner of Oceania should always play against the 0.5 spot in Asia as NZ did last time, rather than expect to play the South American equivalent.

I think we'd have been OK if those teams could only come 5th in the confederation. Uruguay in 02 & 06 were pants.
In '02 world cup they finished ahead of the reigning world champions in France.

The '10 team that finished 3rd was primarily made up of the squad from the '06 qualification (+suarez).
how is the 10 team relevant when by that point you'd cried to afc that it was too hard.

As for 02, well it shows how shit france were then.
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God is an Englishman wrote:
Bomber wrote:I wonder how many times England would have failed to qualify if they had to play Uruguay or Argentina in a home and away "sudden death" tie after breezing through their own confederated group?
To me, the winner of Oceania should always play against the 0.5 spot in Asia as NZ did last time, rather than expect to play the South American equivalent.

I think we'd have been OK if those teams could only come 5th in the confederation. Uruguay in 02 & 06 were pants.
Your record against both isnt that flash I believe. I guess we'll never know but why a team wins its own confederation then has to play off against someone else from another is really quite silly.
To me, Asia should be split into east/west, include current oceania into the east section and only have top two in each Asian section qualify. And CONCACAF is a waste in that Mexico & USA are virtually shoe-ins each time. Condense the Americas into one and have smaller groups across the board when it comes qualifying.
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What happened in 94? Giae?
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