Trial Process

[FUBAR]

With the numerous adverts for upcoming club trials, as I have never been involved with such an event I was curious as to what the process is at the various clubs?

Is it just a game and players are assessed from there? If so is it a 4v4 game or 11v11?
Do club make it public as to what criteria they look for in players?
Who selects players if a coach is yet to be appointed? (re other topic)

I respect the fact that some teams may struggle to get players out to trials, this is more directed to the bigger clubs like Adel City, Metro Raiders etc....

[FUBAR]

oh and gks...how are they selected?

[Reds24]

Re-Goal Keeper selection.

Most clubs, if they have a GK they re happy with, you don't stand a chance, no mateer how well you trial.

Most clubs, do not have any licenced GK coaches, and this is very much so reflected in the GK trial process.

Most trial consist of player drills, skills etc, then into either small and or full sided games, depending how many playesr are out to trial.

As for GK they just go straight into a game, their skills and warm ups are usually not even considered.

The only exception to this was at Campbelltown, they had specific GK trials where drills and skills of the triailong GK were put to the test.

As a GK if you want to get into a team, try and trial with a club and team who are genuienly looking for a GK.

[FUBAR]

Red24, you have a son who is a gk?

I'd imagine gks would first and foremost be assessed on their footskills......well that's if your playing out from the back!

4v4 game would be good IMO. (or 5v5) I think with in 10 to 15 minutes you should be able to see all you need as a coach.

[Reds24]

Fubar. You have proven my point.

You need to trial the GK out of the game situation, just like the non game situations for players.

[FUBAR]

Fubar. You have proven my point.

You need to trial the GK out of the game situation, just like the non game situations for players.

I certainly dont claim to be no expert, but isnt it more important how a gk plays (or any player as a matter of fact) than how he trains?

In match situations you can see the players (including gks) personality and competitiveness and other characteristically that you may not well see is a structured skills sessions.

Have clubs ever considered maybe hiring gk coaches for the day/session? Some one like Neil Tate. Though on second thought it does seem like a silly idea, the better option could be the senior gk at the club.

[BornStriker]

With the numerous adverts for upcoming club trials, as I have never been involved with such an event I was curious as to what the process is at the various clubs?

Is it just a game and players are assessed from there? If so is it a 4v4 game or 11v11?
Do club make it public as to what criteria they look for in players?
Who selects players if a coach is yet to be appointed? (re other topic)

I respect the fact that some teams may struggle to get players out to trials, this is more directed to the bigger clubs like Adel City, Metro Raiders etc....

Spoke to one of Playfords u12 coaches for next season (Matt Gaston) as im looking to take my son out. Said the initial trials will be game situations (small sided games) to clear out the weaker players, get it down to around 25 players, then progress into more individual skill drills and 11v11 games. In answer to the GK question, i know he said he was hoping to organize the senior GK coach to attend the trials to work with the GKs.

A lot of clubs still run juniors with amateur mentalities, we need a lot more qualified and experienced coaches coaching further and further down the ranks if SA is to catch up to other states in development.

[Steve#4]

With the numerous adverts for upcoming club trials, as I have never been involved with such an event I was curious as to what the process is at the various clubs?

Is it just a game and players are assessed from there? If so is it a 4v4 game or 11v11?
Do club make it public as to what criteria they look for in players?
Who selects players if a coach is yet to be appointed? (re other topic)

I respect the fact that some teams may struggle to get players out to trials, this is more directed to the bigger clubs like Adel City, Metro Raiders etc....

Spoke to one of Playfords u12 coaches for next season (Matt Gaston) as im looking to take my son out. Said the initial trials will be game situations (small sided games) to clear out the weaker players, get it down to around 25 players, then progress into more individual skill drills and 11v11 games. In answer to the GK question, i know he said he was hoping to organize the senior GK coach to attend the trials to work with the GKs.

A lot of clubs still run juniors with amateur mentalities, we need a lot more qualified and experienced coaches coaching further and further down the ranks if SA is to catch up to other states in development.

So where do these kids go....No wonder the juniors do not transition into seniors in this country with this attitude.... Win at all costs.

[BornStriker]

With the numerous adverts for upcoming club trials, as I have never been involved with such an event I was curious as to what the process is at the various clubs?

Is it just a game and players are assessed from there? If so is it a 4v4 game or 11v11?
Do club make it public as to what criteria they look for in players?
Who selects players if a coach is yet to be appointed? (re other topic)

I respect the fact that some teams may struggle to get players out to trials, this is more directed to the bigger clubs like Adel City, Metro Raiders etc....

Spoke to one of Playfords u12 coaches for next season (Matt Gaston) as im looking to take my son out. Said the initial trials will be game situations (small sided games) to clear out the weaker players, get it down to around 25 players, then progress into more individual skill drills and 11v11 games. In answer to the GK question, i know he said he was hoping to organize the senior GK coach to attend the trials to work with the GKs.

A lot of clubs still run juniors with amateur mentalities, we need a lot more qualified and experienced coaches coaching further and further down the ranks if SA is to catch up to other states in development.

So where do these kids go....No wonder the juniors do not transition into seniors in this country with this attitude.... Win at all costs.

My assumption would be back to Elizabeth and Districts or too another club to develop there. Teams are restricted to 16 players i believe, so if 50 players show up, are clubs meant to accommodate them all? How does this approach translate into win at all costs. they're picking the most technical players and looking to advance them. what would you suggest happens?

[Steve#4]

So where do these kids go....No wonder the juniors do not transition into seniors in this country with this attitude.... Win at all costs.

My assumption would be back to Elizabeth and Districts or too another club to develop there. Teams are restricted to 16 players i believe, so if 50 players show up, are clubs meant to accommodate them all? How does this approach translate into win at all costs. they're picking the most technical players and looking to advance them. what would you suggest happens?

So 50 players show up for one age group????

From my 2 years involved in SSF I have witnessed more than a few clubs with over aged players playing, this points, for me anyway that they are filling numbers where they can.

Maybe I am wrong, Maybe it is my sons school that is full of midgets and only in club SSF you see the real size of 8, 9 and 10 year olds.

Either way, if you have enough kids show up for 3 sides....Why not put in three sides?

I know we wouldn't hesitate doing this rather than demorilising a child and cutting him in SSF.

[FUBAR]

u12 is not SSF and some clubs just cant accommodate 3 teams per age group.

[Steve#4]

I was speaking about the wider age groups, Only quoted that post in relation to my point.

Why, I have seen and experienced many trials involving SSF that is very similar.

Anyway, If a club is getting 50 players per age group I would be doing my best to accomodate this....
The second point, why advertise for more players if you are getting this extrodinary roll up?

[Željko Jurin]

I was speaking about the wider age groups, Only quoted that post in relation to my point.

Why, I have seen and experienced many trials involving SSF that is very similar.

Anyway, If a club is getting 50 players per age group I would be doing my best to accomodate this....
The second point, why advertise for more players if you are getting this extrodinary roll up?

3 teams per age group x 6 age groups from u12-17 = 18 full pitch teams, then + SSF age groups on top
Does your club have 25+ 'decent' coaches, and 10 pitches to train on during the week ?

[BornStriker]

I was speaking about the wider age groups, Only quoted that post in relation to my point.

Why, I have seen and experienced many trials involving SSF that is very similar.

Anyway, If a club is getting 50 players per age group I would be doing my best to accomodate this....
The second point, why advertise for more players if you are getting this extrodinary roll up?

In regards to my comment about 50 players, I've not been to a federation trial before as my sons involved with E&D. Having said that, Playford starts its age groups at u12's hence the coaches inviting and opening their doors to as many players as possible to fill 15-16 spots. Most clubs have SSG's these days, so im guessing they have a natural progression into the elder age groups.

As for accommodating so many players, clubs are limited by their facilities, funds and the ability to find coaches to fill the positions.

[Steve#4]

I was speaking about the wider age groups, Only quoted that post in relation to my point.

Why, I have seen and experienced many trials involving SSF that is very similar.

Anyway, If a club is getting 50 players per age group I would be doing my best to accomodate this....
The second point, why advertise for more players if you are getting this extrodinary roll up?

3 teams per age group x 6 age groups from u12-17 = 18 full pitch teams, then + SSF age groups on top
Does your club have 25+ 'decent' coaches, and 10 pitches to train on during the week ?

From what I read on here no club has that....They are all volunteers with some good and some not so.

At the end of the day the point I am making is that clubs with their trial process turn the average and below kids away from the game rather than do their best to keep them within.......

[Željko Jurin]

I was speaking about the wider age groups, Only quoted that post in relation to my point.

Why, I have seen and experienced many trials involving SSF that is very similar.

Anyway, If a club is getting 50 players per age group I would be doing my best to accomodate this....
The second point, why advertise for more players if you are getting this extrodinary roll up?

3 teams per age group x 6 age groups from u12-17 = 18 full pitch teams, then + SSF age groups on top
Does your club have 25+ 'decent' coaches, and 10 pitches to train on during the week ?

From what I read on here no club has that....They are all volunteers with some good and some not so.
At the end of the day the point I am making is that clubs with their trial process turn the average and below kids away from the game rather than do their best to keep them within.......

There are 32 FFSA clubs + 25 E&D clubs .... plenty of places to play

[Steve#4]

I was speaking about the wider age groups, Only quoted that post in relation to my point.

Why, I have seen and experienced many trials involving SSF that is very similar.

Anyway, If a club is getting 50 players per age group I would be doing my best to accomodate this....
The second point, why advertise for more players if you are getting this extrodinary roll up?

In regards to my comment about 50 players, I've not been to a federation trial before as my sons involved with E&D. Having said that, Playford starts its age groups at u12's hence the coaches inviting and opening their doors to as many players as possible to fill 15-16 spots. Most clubs have SSG's these days, so im guessing they have a natural progression into the elder age groups.

As for accommodating so many players, clubs are limited by their facilities, funds and the ability to find coaches to fill the positions.

fair enough....The whole process of sorting the wheat from the chaff were kids are involved just gets my goat up...

[EzyG]

I have seen teams with 6 or 7 subs on the bench....that about 12 mins playing time in a game??

[Steve#4]

3 teams per age group x 6 age groups from u12-17 = 18 full pitch teams, then + SSF age groups on top
Does your club have 25+ 'decent' coaches, and 10 pitches to train on during the week ?

From what I read on here no club has that....They are all volunteers with some good and some not so.
At the end of the day the point I am making is that clubs with their trial process turn the average and below kids away from the game rather than do their best to keep them within.......

There are 32 FFSA clubs + 25 E&D clubs .... plenty of places to play

You are correct there.Hopefully after the parents first few experiences they learn this and stick with the game.

[rabbit]

I have seen teams with 6 or 7 subs on the bench....that about 12 mins playing time in a game??

Really, how did ya work that out?

[FUBAR]

As for accommodating so many players, clubs are limited by their facilities, funds and the ability to find coaches to fill the positions.
fair enough....The whole process of sorting the wheat from the chaff were kids are involved just gets my goat up...

but for developement purposes, shouldnt the better players be playing with and against the better players? so if you can only accomodate the better players, do you not select the ones who stand out? or at your club, do you just select friends and family siblings? why even bother having trials? just have a registration day and thats it!!

or, if you have 3 teams, at your club are they all split into 3 even teams or one team is stronger than the other?

i agree with you with regards to turning away young kids, its not a nice part of our game but its only natrual to want to select the best players for your team/club.

[EzyG]

12 mins a half...Rabbit.

[Steve#4]

As for accommodating so many players, clubs are limited by their facilities, funds and the ability to find coaches to fill the positions.
fair enough....The whole process of sorting the wheat from the chaff were kids are involved just gets my goat up...

but for developement purposes, shouldnt the better players be playing with and against the better players? so if you can only accomodate the better players, do you not select the ones who stand out? or at your club, do you just select friends and family siblings? why even bother having trials? just have a registration day and thats it!!

or, if you have 3 teams, at your club are they all split into 3 even teams or one team is stronger than the other?

i agree with you with regards to turning away young kids, its not a nice part of our game but its only natrual to want to select the best players for your team/club.

Yeah a tough situation no doubt, would be good if clubs within the same areas worked in together to accommodate the ones that get left behind.

[EzyG]

Steve we always recommend other clubs in our area to the parents of kids that don't make it.
That's a must u don't want the kid to give up.

[rabbit]

12 mins a half...Rabbit.

[daveferrari]

As for accommodating so many players, clubs are limited by their facilities, funds and the ability to find coaches to fill the positions.
fair enough....The whole process of sorting the wheat from the chaff were kids are involved just gets my goat up...

but for developement purposes, shouldnt the better players be playing with and against the better players? so if you can only accomodate the better players, do you not select the ones who stand out? or at your club, do you just select friends and family siblings? why even bother having trials? just have a registration day and thats it!!

or, if you have 3 teams, at your club are they all split into 3 even teams or one team is stronger than the other?

i agree with you with regards to turning away young kids, its not a nice part of our game but its only natrual to want to select the best players for your team/club.

Yeah a tough situation no doubt, would be good if clubs within the same areas worked in together to accommodate the ones that get left behind.

I have worked with a club that had a minimum 2 teams in each year, some had the luxury of 3 teams. This presented a bit of a task at trials, but we tried to accomodate for all players by making a third team. this gave us the luxury of picking up any left over players who missed our trials... we ended up picking up a couple of good players after trials and slowly moved them up to higher skilled teams during the course of the year. At first i didnt like the idea of a third team but it did work out ok, i guess learning is a continued process!!

[AL K HOLIC]

As for accommodating so many players, clubs are limited by their facilities, funds and the ability to find coaches to fill the positions.
fair enough....The whole process of sorting the wheat from the chaff were kids are involved just gets my goat up...

but for developement purposes, shouldnt the better players be playing with and against the better players? so if you can only accomodate the better players, do you not select the ones who stand out? or at your club, do you just select friends and family siblings? why even bother having trials? just have a registration day and thats it!!

or, if you have 3 teams, at your club are they all split into 3 even teams or one team is stronger than the other?

i agree with you with regards to turning away young kids, its not a nice part of our game but its only natrual to want to select the best players for your team/club.

Yeah a tough situation no doubt, would be good if clubs within the same areas worked in together to accommodate the ones that get left behind.

Most of the time they won't go, it's not the system it's the parents.

Perfect example Western U13
Stikers 2 teams
Pirates 2 teams
White City & Toros 0 teams

Personally the FFSA should be wanting JPL teams not JSL teams. The FFSA is a pathway to Pro football, E&D is a pathway to Amatuers, the sooner the FFSA realise this and do away with JSL teams the better.

Coaching is less experienced, and usually they are shuffled out the back somewhere hidden from society, the clubs really just want the cash they have no interest in many of these kids.