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he is a cheat... ban him for life strip him of his titles...

well played USADA!!!
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adam wrote:he is a cheat... ban him for life strip him of his titles...

well played USADA!!!
do you have evidence?
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yes... in my mind there is clearly enough evidence for a case to be answered...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/ind ... -the-years

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnis ... 57258738/1
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adam wrote:yes... in my mind there is clearly enough evidence for a case to be answered...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/ind ... -the-years

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnis ... 57258738/1
accusations hmmm

no positive test

and flloyd landis :lol:

whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty
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over the years he has never withdrawn from a fair fight,what is happening at the moment is an uneven playing field.
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Lance Armstrong's biggest victory, bigger than any of his Tour de France titles, was his victory against the cancer that threatened his life.
Contesting the doping charges, whether they would bring forward any more evidence other than hearsay, was taking away his time spent with his cancer foundation.
You might be able to win 1-2 TDF titles with drugs, but surely someone who has won '7' titles could not win those with drugs... seems like Lance should never have contemplated entering American politics.
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and yet all runners up to Armstrong have in some way all been "involved" in doping related incidents... go figure...

don't let him fool you...
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Following the dismissal of Mr. Armstrong’s lawsuit on Monday, August 20, 2012, by the federal court in Austin, Texas, Mr. Armstrong had until midnight on Thursday, August 23, to contest the evidence against him in a full evidentiary hearing with neutral arbitrators as provided by U.S. law. However, when given the opportunity to challenge the evidence against him, and with full knowledge of the consequences, Mr. Armstrong chose not to contest the fact that he engaged in doping violations from at least August 1, 1998 and participated in a conspiracy to cover up his actions. As a result of Mr. Armstrong’s decision, USADA is required under the applicable rules, including the World Anti-Doping Code under which he is accountable, to disqualify his competitive results and suspend him from all future competition.
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The ironic thing is the USADA has tested Armstrong on 29 occasions and not one test proved positive
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swannsong wrote:someone who has won '7' titles
Really he should have been six as he didn't complete the course on one of them.
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sure, after what he has been through as a person he is an inspiration.

As an athlete, he has lost all the respect he ever had
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Red-4-Life wrote:sure, after what he has been through as a person he is an inspiration.

As an athlete, he has lost all the respect he ever had
how? where is a positive sample?
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And the evidence against him is.....
A dozen or so cyclists who are confirmed drug cheats and whose testimony
would have to be questionable. They are after all,'liars' in that they cheated the sport.
What's to say they won't cheat the court?
Especially if they're getting looked after.
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hurlcrook wrote:And the evidence against him is.....
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MOre the 30 USADA test, all of them negative :lol: Ironic
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sometime it takes a cheat to catch a cheat...

often testimony from convicted crims are used to help bring down others...
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DOC wrote:
Red-4-Life wrote:sure, after what he has been through as a person he is an inspiration.

As an athlete, he has lost all the respect he ever had
how? where is a positive sample?

Doc, dont let the trolls ruin it...

as for Lance, no evidence is there to convict him, all the tests he had to indure came back negative, but USADA have other plans......

witch hunt in the highest order
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DAM wrote:
DOC wrote:
Red-4-Life wrote:sure, after what he has been through as a person he is an inspiration.

As an athlete, he has lost all the respect he ever had
how? where is a positive sample?

Doc, dont let the trolls ruin it...

as for Lance, no evidence is there to convict him, all the tests he had to indure came back negative, but USADA have other plans......

witch hunt in the highest order
So they just did it for kicks? Seems a bit over the top.
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Bomber wrote:
DAM wrote:
DOC wrote:
how? where is a positive sample?

Doc, dont let the trolls ruin it...

as for Lance, no evidence is there to convict him, all the tests he had to indure came back negative, but USADA have other plans......

witch hunt in the highest order
So they just did it for kicks? Seems a bit over the top.
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If I thought for one moment that by participating in USADA’s process, I could confront these allegations in a fair setting and – once and for all – put these charges to rest, I would jump at the chance. But I refuse to participate in a process that is so one-sided and unfair. Regardless of what Travis Tygart says, there is zero physical evidence to support his outlandish and heinous claims. The only physical evidence here is the hundreds of controls I have passed with flying colors. I made myself available around the clock and around the world. In-competition. Out of competition. Blood. Urine. Whatever they asked for I provided. What is the point of all this testing if, in the end, USADA will not stand by it?

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Things don't add up.
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for USADA, yep, don't add up at all
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Notwithstanding the fact I havent really taken much notice of this issue, but why do you think USADA have taken the stance they have, knowing the huge impact its decision would affect one of their "own"? I know sporting organizations can be corrupt (FIFA prime example), but what have they got to gain out of it? Surely its more than a "witch hunt"? And if one is 100% sure of their innocence, then surely you would fight it in the courts, especially given the USA's stance on "innocent till proven guilty". Or are all the decent defence lawyers in the US on leave at the moment?
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DOC wrote:for USADA, yep, don't add up at all
From both sides.
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if the the evidence was zero and of no threat, then take the time and go to arbitration...
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adam wrote:if the the evidence was zero and of no threat, then take the time and go to arbitration...
why? clearly a witch hut mate, believing floyd landis, after his years of lying, yeah ok thats awesome evidence, supposed testemony of people who have been banned for epo who have lied too, ok then

why hasn't barry bonds had all his achievements taken away? they were achieved with a team? he took the drugs... there is your precedent
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Marion Jones is also a precedent... anyway, you keep believing the spin from the Church of Lance.

he ran from a fight that could have cleared him once and for all... despite the USADA apparently having no evidence???
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DOC wrote:
adam wrote:if the the evidence was zero and of no threat, then take the time and go to arbitration...
why? clearly a witch hut mate, believing floyd landis, after his years of lying, yeah ok thats awesome evidence, supposed testemony of people who have been banned for epo who have lied too, ok then

why hasn't barry bonds had all his achievements taken away? they were achieved with a team? he took the drugs... there is your precedent

the didn't take shane warne's away either after he was proved to be a drug cheat.
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lot's of great articles are coming up... from both sides.

Lance Armstrong, a million questions:
http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling/sto ... -questions
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DOC wrote:
adam wrote:if the the evidence was zero and of no threat, then take the time and go to arbitration...
why? clearly a witch hut mate, believing floyd landis, after his years of lying, yeah ok thats awesome evidence, supposed testemony of people who have been banned for epo who have lied too, ok then

why hasn't barry bonds had all his achievements taken away? they were achieved with a team? he took the drugs... there is your precedent

the didn't take shane warne's away either after he was proved to be a drug cheat.
tested positive at the world cup, sent home, banned for a year, missed out on winning the world cup, he didn't get a medal, brad hogg did, and deservedly so, so essentially his indescretion cost him
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adam wrote:Marion Jones is also a precedent... anyway, you keep believing the spin from the Church of Lance.

he ran from a fight that could have cleared him once and for all... despite the USADA apparently having no evidence???
all i ask for is a positive sample, marion jones tested positive then admitted to it, very different
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DOC wrote:
God is an Englishman wrote:
DOC wrote: why hasn't barry bonds had all his achievements taken away? they were achieved with a team? he took the drugs... there is your precedent

the didn't take shane warne's away either after he was proved to be a drug cheat.
tested positive at the world cup, sent home, banned for a year, missed out on winning the world cup, he didn't get a medal, brad hogg did, and deservedly so, so essentially his indescretion cost him

They didn't take away his achievements and wickets though. Who won the 2002/3 Ashes series. Surely you can't win with a drug cheat in your side.
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