Playing in 2 Divisions

[shaneporker]

Can anyone assist with this query as the league are not!!!

Can a player play for a team in 2 different divisions??? Recently we played a Flinders Uni (Sat div 4) who fielded a player who also plays in Sat Div 3 for Flinders Uni. I understand they are 1 club but playing in two divisions is hardly fair!! Its no different to playing for two different teams...I thought you signed for 1 team not 2!!!

The league have not given me a straight answer on this...any help???

[Knight15]

Can anyone assist with this query as the league are not!!!

Can a player play for a team in 2 different divisions??? Recently we played a Flinders Uni (Sat div 4) who fielded a player who also plays in Sat Div 3 for Flinders Uni. I understand they are 1 club but playing in two divisions is hardly fair!! Its no different to playing for two different teams...I thought you signed for 1 team not 2!!!

The league have not given me a straight answer on this...any help???

Pretty sure the answer is yes, bit like a first team player, playing reserves. Really though your talking about Saturday Division 3 to 4 not someone playing for Barcelona. Just relax and enjoy

[shaneporker]

Can anyone assist with this query as the league are not!!!

Can a player play for a team in 2 different divisions??? Recently we played a Flinders Uni (Sat div 4) who fielded a player who also plays in Sat Div 3 for Flinders Uni. I understand they are 1 club but playing in two divisions is hardly fair!! Its no different to playing for two different teams...I thought you signed for 1 team not 2!!!

The league have not given me a straight answer on this...any help???

Pretty sure the answer is yes, bit like a first team player, playing reserves. Really though your talking about Saturday Division 3 to 4 not someone playing for Barcelona. Just relax and enjoy

Not what I am asking....regardless of the division its unfair, playing for a smaller club who struggles for numbers vs a club with 3 teams across 3 divisions. How would you feel if you played a team who pulled in reserve players from a division above??? I guess you would just relax and enjoy.

[Reg Deadman]

Not what I am asking.

Actually he did answer what you asked... yes.

[Caretaker Coach]

yes he can play div 3 res then play div 4A's, has been happening for a while now, the rules allow them to do that, i dont have a problem with that, acceptable with most clubs.
Only in Cup games are they classed as different clubs - if he plays a cup round for div 4A's, he cant play for his div 3B's ( or 3A's ).

Hope it makes sense ?

[shaneporker]

yes he can play div 3 res then play div 4A's, has been happening for a while now, the rules allow them to do that, i dont have a problem with that, acceptable with most clubs.
Only in Cup games are they classed as different clubs - if he plays a cup round for div 4A's, he cant play for his div 3B's ( or 3A's ).

Hope it makes sense ?

It seems like a dodgy loop hole in the rules...having a rule for the league and then for the cup seems odd.......you are either in 1 team or the other. Thanks for your help.

[The General]

Having been involved with a club in that situation, the rule has been helpful rather then a hindrance or advantage, and i am not aware of clubs who go out of their way to abuse the rule.
If it hadnt been for this rule we wouldve been forced to forfeit some games ( when I was involved ) through lack of numbers on the day. being a uni club with 6 teams at the time, during the uni holidays we always struggled, one weekend we had 26 players missing in one weekend, just managed to get all the games played without forfeiting any games, because some players had to double up on the day.

Sometimes you may even find that the person who plays , say for the div 3B's, then plays div 4A's , is actually a div 4A's player who is helping out the 3B team.
Good luck for the season.

[Big G]

yes he can play div 3 res then play div 4A's, has been happening for a while now, the rules allow them to do that, i dont have a problem with that, acceptable with most clubs.
Only in Cup games are they classed as different clubs - if he plays a cup round for div 4A's, he cant play for his div 3B's ( or 3A's ).

Hope it makes sense ?

It seems like a dodgy loop hole in the rules...having a rule for the league and then for the cup seems odd.......you are either in 1 team or the other. Thanks for your help.

you didn't lose to one player.......

[shaneporker]

yes he can play div 3 res then play div 4A's, has been happening for a while now, the rules allow them to do that, i dont have a problem with that, acceptable with most clubs.
Only in Cup games are they classed as different clubs - if he plays a cup round for div 4A's, he cant play for his div 3B's ( or 3A's ).

Hope it makes sense ?

It seems like a dodgy loop hole in the rules...having a rule for the league and then for the cup seems odd.......you are either in 1 team or the other. Thanks for your help.

you didn't lose to one player.......

GEEZ PEOPLE....LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!!

I do not think it is fair that you can pick players from 2 divisions when you are undermanned....its not the winning or losing...its about being fair. What is the difference if Torrens Valley A team wanted to play a player from a Div 3 reserve team..is that ok???

[Baresi]

GEEZ PEOPLE....LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!!

I do not think it is fair that you can pick players from 2 divisions when you are undermanned....its not the winning or losing...its about being fair. What is the difference if Torrens Valley A team wanted to play a player from a Div 3 reserve team..is that ok???[/quote]


Yes

[sephiroth]

GEEZ PEOPLE....LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!!

I do not think it is fair that you can pick players from 2 divisions when you are undermanned....its not the winning or losing...its about being fair. What is the difference if Torrens Valley A team wanted to play a player from a Div 3 reserve team..is that ok???

You have a C team right? What's the difference if one of your A or B players has a run in the Cs for fitness or to make up the numbers if you are short? That's a 'different division' right?

[I am Costanza]

GEEZ PEOPLE....LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!!

I do not think it is fair that you can pick players from 2 divisions when you are undermanned....its not the winning or losing...its about being fair. What is the difference if Torrens Valley A team wanted to play a player from a Div 3 reserve team..is that ok???

You have a C team right? What's the difference if one of your A or B players has a run in the Cs for fitness or to make up the numbers if you are short? That's a 'different division' right?

+1

[PDog]

GEEZ PEOPLE....LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!!

I do not think it is fair that you can pick players from 2 divisions when you are undermanned....its not the winning or losing...its about being fair. What is the difference if Torrens Valley A team wanted to play a player from a Div 3 reserve team..is that ok???

You have a C team right? What's the difference if one of your A or B players has a run in the Cs for fitness or to make up the numbers if you are short? That's a 'different division' right?

Pretty sure they don't have a C team.

[De Voyeur]

You are on your own here porky pie.

I play premier a Sunday. Being an older player I am well within my rights to play o/35s (Sunday div 9)or in our clubs c team which competes in Sunday div 6.

We are one club and are registered as such. It would be offensive to label someone as a c team player when they are a Para Hills East club man.

Maybe you need to stop worrying about Flinders Uni and work on your club's culture.

[No Clever Alias]

St Peters Old Collegians is one club fielding 5 teams on Saturday (Div 1, Div 3 and Div 6) with movement between teams. We treat our sides roughly as a A through E grade, so one can play wherever on any given week, as per the form and availability of players, but we generally have a core player group for each team. IMO that is appropriate given we are one club.

The culture of our club is that we do not "stack" our sides in an effort to achieve results, which is what you are implying Flinders have done. I'm not sure what the culture or policy is at other clubs, but I suspect most if not all clubs with multiple teams would have a similar approach to us.

Due to injuries I've played games for all our sides bar the 1As this season (still waiting on the call up Dave). Seems perfectly reasonable to me and hardly unfair.

[swannsong]

It only seems unfair if you are at a smaller club and don't have a pool of 50-80 players to call upon when you are struggling with injuries and suspension etc.
With having 2 sides (both having Reserve teams) in different Divisions, I personally think you should identify 2 squads, one for each Division you have teams in and hopefully Reserve players could step up to fill the vacancies......nominated C-Team players (those teams competing in Divisions that don't have a Reserve side) could step up into either teams when needed.
Why ? Is it fair if one of your sides has a run of send offs or accumulation of bookings that you can draw upon a pool of 50-80 players....where's the discipline in that ?
However, would be difficult to monitor and organize so it will probably stay as is !

[Pommy09]

You are on your own here porky pie.

I play premier a Sunday. Being an older player I am well within my rights to play o/35s (Sunday div 9)or in our clubs c team which competes in Sunday div 6.

We are one club and are registered as such. It would be offensive to label someone as a c team player when they are a Para Hills East club man.

Maybe you need to stop worrying about Flinders Uni and work on your club's culture.

+1

[Crustytheclown]

You are on your own here porky pie.

I play premier a Sunday. Being an older player I am well within my rights to play o/35s (Sunday div 9)or in our clubs c team which competes in Sunday div 6.

We are one club and are registered as such. It would be offensive to label someone as a c team player when they are a Para Hills East club man.

Maybe you need to stop worrying about Flinders Uni and work on your club's culture.

Shaneporker... read this again out loud to urself and LISTEN!!!

[God is an Englishman]

I play mainly in our Div 2B's side, but occasionally in Sunday Div 9 for the O 35's and Saturday Div 7 for the C's(I think it's Div 7 anyway).

If a club can promote from it's C's to it's B's and relegate the same then why can't Flinders demote from B's to C's etc..

[Knight15]

As I said at the begining all fair, relax and enjoy it

And stop porking Shane!

[Fudpucker]

What about this scenario. An example, let's say Old Ignatians who have Div 1 and Div 4. Div 1a has nothing to play for as far as promotion or relegation and Div 4a are pushing promotion so they drop a few of their Div 1a and Div 1b players down to their Div 4a side for last 2-3 games in order to get promoted.

If you were in a Div 4 club you would be pretty livid that any chance you may of had to get promoted were quashed by a massive established club being able to drop players from their higher division sides.

Interestingly the only people commenting here seem to those from clubs that have 4 or more teams. Not surprising that you all think it's ok. I'm sure most clubs similar size to us would be unhappy that this can occur.

[pernunz]

If you force someone to play in one of two (or three) divisions, you are hampering their prospects for any internal promotion during the year.

If you have to assign squads of X number of players for each division, then clubs will simply not register as many teams, meaning more players miss out every week.

[ExtraTime]

What about this scenario. An example, let's say Old Ignatians who have Div 1 and Div 4. Div 1a has nothing to play for as far as promotion or relegation and Div 4a are pushing promotion so they drop a few of their Div 1a and Div 1b players down to their Div 4a side for last 2-3 games in order to get promoted.

If you were in a Div 4 club you would be pretty livid that any chance you may of had to get promoted were quashed by a massive established club being able to drop players from their higher division sides.

Interestingly the only people commenting here seem to those from clubs that have 4 or more teams. Not surprising that you all think it's ok. I'm sure most clubs similar size to us would be unhappy that this can occur.

jeez why not complain about clubs making more money than others.....

[God is an Englishman]

If you force someone to play in one of two (or three) divisions, you are hampering their prospects for any internal promotion during the year.

If you have to assign squads of X number of players for each division, then clubs will simply not register as many teams, meaning more players miss out every week.

this doesn't happen very often, but I agree!

[swannsong]

If you force someone to play in one of two (or three) divisions, you are hampering their prospects for any internal promotion during the year.

If you have to assign squads of X number of players for each division, then clubs will simply not register as many teams, meaning more players miss out every week.

Congratulations...you have described perfectly the dilemma smaller clubs have...and why the original post was made (I guess) ...saying that the bigger clubs have a slightly unfair advantage !

[Fudpucker]

What about this scenario. An example, let's say Old Ignatians who have Div 1 and Div 4. Div 1a has nothing to play for as far as promotion or relegation and Div 4a are pushing promotion so they drop a few of their Div 1a and Div 1b players down to their Div 4a side for last 2-3 games in order to get promoted.

If you were in a Div 4 club you would be pretty livid that any chance you may of had to get promoted were quashed by a massive established club being able to drop players from their higher division sides.

Interestingly the only people commenting here seem to those from clubs that have 4 or more teams. Not surprising that you all think it's ok. I'm sure most clubs similar size to us would be unhappy that this can occur.

jeez why not complain about clubs making more money than others.....

How do you get anything about money out of this? You clearly have shit for brains!

[God is an Englishman]

If you force someone to play in one of two (or three) divisions, you are hampering their prospects for any internal promotion during the year.

If you have to assign squads of X number of players for each division, then clubs will simply not register as many teams, meaning more players miss out every week.

Congratulations...you have described perfectly the dilemma smaller clubs have...and why the original post was made (I guess) ...saying that the bigger clubs have a slightly unfair advantage !

Why stop at clubs with 3 teams, make all clubs decide their squads for every side at the start of the season and you must complete a transfer if they change sides. Why should you be able to transfer from Div 2B to Div 2A?

[ExtraTime]

well if a club is able to attract players and have more than 2 teams why criticize them .. in fact why not try and emulate them. They might habe teams in other divisions but dont you think that its there C grade/D grade etc ......

[zackadacka]

What about this scenario. An example, let's say Old Ignatians who have Div 1 and Div 4. Div 1a has nothing to play for as far as promotion or relegation and Div 4a are pushing promotion so they drop a few of their Div 1a and Div 1b players down to their Div 4a side for last 2-3 games in order to get promoted.

If you were in a Div 4 club you would be pretty livid that any chance you may of had to get promoted were quashed by a massive established club being able to drop players from their higher division sides.

Interestingly the only people commenting here seem to those from clubs that have 4 or more teams. Not surprising that you all think it's ok. I'm sure most clubs similar size to us would be unhappy that this can occur.

Interesting

Should the rule be that players cannot play in the first team of two different divisions (only in those affected by promotion/relegation - in other words excluding C and O-35 Divisions). This would mean they could only bring down 1b players, or if they really wanted to 1a's into 4b's, so as you say, promotion and relegation is not affected. Some movement between teams of the same club naturally occurs (injury, sickness, work, holiday etc.) but whether it creates a loophole does depend on the culture of the club's involved. One would think that clubs with 4+ teams have a fairly solid foundation, and wouldn't exploit such a situation. Having said that, in time there will likely be an exception to prove that rule. If you are concerned raise the point at an AGM.

[Steve#4]

Too many socialists on this thread for my liking

Sure bigger clubs have an advantage....That is why they are bigger clubs.