English FA proposal for unlimited rolling subs approved

[Con M]

Earlier this year in March 2012 the I.F.A.B. ( the Laws-of-the-Game-Board, the International F.A. Board) approved a proposal by the English F.A. that amateur teams will be permitted to make unlimited rolling substitutions for a two-year experimental period.

Here in Australia because of the Aussie Rules influence, that would be referred to as the 'interchange bench'.

Any reason it is not being trialled here, Alex & Bill? Or is that because some $350-per-win "amateurs" can't be regarded as amateurs?

[Mister Miyagi]

It has been used in the C team divisions.

[bapa]

It has been used in the C team divisions.

And over 35's in the ffsa comp on Sunday morning

[whistler]

Would be a good change in my opinion.
Gives coaches more flexability & less concerns about late injuries.
Would give fringe & younger players more opportunities rather than last few minutes when sometimes game is over.
Could keep experienced and skillful (but less athletic) players in the game longer to be on-field leaders.
Cant really see any negatives.

[Clever Trevor]

Rolling subs may be abused with teams making a sub at each stoppage in the final minutes to delay play. How about rolling subs, but limit to six changes per match, for example?

Does the above happen with the C team divs and over 35s?

[whistler]

Yeah fair point Trevor - would hope ref's would be awake to this and add time accordingly.
Think ARL have a limit on number of interchanges so could be an option.

[Clever Trevor]

Yeah fair point Trevor - would hope ref's would be awake to this and add time accordingly.
Think ARL have a limit on number of interchanges so could be an option.

I would hope a majority of teams would be ok, but it just takes a few to abuse it and everyone to crack a tanty. There isn't a lot of room for refs to add time on for Reserves or C matches, with the As needing to start on time; Unless kickoff time provision was made for Reserves to be able to make rolling subs, then the A team could still play with the three sub rule?

This weekend, our team had subs on the bench that drove 45 minutes each way and weren't even used, but some would say 'that is football'

[Right Back]

Yeah fair point Trevor - would hope ref's would be awake to this and add time accordingly.
Think ARL have a limit on number of interchanges so could be an option.

I would hope a majority of teams would be ok, but it just takes a few to abuse it and everyone to crack a tanty. There isn't a lot of room for refs to add time on for Reserves or C matches, with the As needing to start on time; Unless kickoff time provision was made for Reserves to be able to make rolling subs, then the A team could still play with the three sub rule?

This weekend, our team had subs on the bench that drove 45 minutes each way and weren't even used, but some would say 'that is football'

We played at Murray Bridge yesterday and our ressies had 15 players where one fella missed out and you could tell after the game he wasn't happy about it but yeah, that's football...

And I believe it's 10 interchanges with Rugby

[Outlaw 2.0]

Perhaps rolling subs until the last 20 minutes in which you can only make three (3) changes. The referee could stop play (when the ball is out and let the coaches know that the 70 minute mark has been reached and only three more can be made.

[Cruie]

Rolling subs means No Stoppages. Like kiddy-football. You shovel them on and off with a wave from the ref (like coming back on after an injury). It often means a bit of chaos, in the kiddies game, with 10-12 players actually on the field as the change happens.

But anyway, it's rubbish - Get a grip! Football is played by 11 blokes with a couple of extras drinking p*ss, manning the touchline and moaning at the coach, until they come on for the last twenty minutes (whether they are 15 or 45 years old).

Interchange ... pffffttttt ... next you'll be wanting specialised goal-kicking teams ;)

[Con M]

Rolling subs means No Stoppages. Like kiddy-football. You shovel them on and off with a wave from the ref (like coming back on after an injury). It often means a bit of chaos, in the kiddies game, with 10-12 players actually on the field as the change happens.

But anyway, it's rubbish - Get a grip! Football is played by 11 blokes with a couple of extras drinking p*ss, manning the touchline and moaning at the coach, until they come on for the last twenty minutes (whether they are 15 or 45 years old).

Interchange ... pffffttttt ... next you'll be wanting specialised goal-kicking teams ;)

Cruie, I merely raised the question seeing it's been trialled at amateur levels in Ye Olde Dart . I'm not for it at serious senior levels - like you I think it will be chaos, just a continuous procession, a shambles. But maybe in juniors, veterans & lower women's leagues.

As for your reference to that other code, 327 interchanges in the Colliwobbles/Golden Glitter fixture says it all about how shambolic that game was..

[egg and chips]

Any reason it is not being trialled here, Alex & Bill? Or is that because some $350-per-win "amateurs" can't be regarded as amateurs?

It has nothing to do with payments received by players it has more to do the fact that the changes to the laws of the game were only made in March, which could have been as little as two weeks before the season started. I can imagine the crap that would have been thrown at the SAASL if they introduced a new law into the game just before the season had started. You and your cronies would have been in full war cry complaining that a new law was introuduced a week before the season starts and you never had the opportunity to try out different scenarios during you pre season trial games (remember all the bollocks about the size of shin pads generated)

They will, as usual introduce the new laws at the start of the next full season after the laws have been changed. It happened withn the both the introduction and removal of the extra time golden goal and the changes in the number of substitutions that can be both named and play.

The SAASL may decide not to adopt the new law as there is no onus I would assume to introduce it as we are not recognised by FFA and therefore, by default FIFA.

[Vale_boy05]

Rolling subs means No Stoppages. Like kiddy-football. You shovel them on and off with a wave from the ref (like coming back on after an injury). It often means a bit of chaos, in the kiddies game, with 10-12 players actually on the field as the change happens.

But anyway, it's rubbish - Get a grip! Football is played by 11 blokes with a couple of extras drinking p*ss, manning the touchline and moaning at the coach, until they come on for the last twenty minutes (whether they are 15 or 45 years old).

Interchange ... pffffttttt ... next you'll be wanting specialised goal-kicking teams ;)

Cruie, I merely raised the question seeing it's been trialled at amateur levels in Ye Olde Dart . I'm not for it at serious senior levels - like you I think it will be chaos, just a continuous procession, a shambles. But maybe in juniors, veterans & lower women's leagues.

As for your reference to that other code, 327 interchanges in the Colliwobbles/Golden Glitter fixture says it all about how shambolic that game was..

Why have a crack at player pay packets then, 2 different issues ya peanut

[God is an Englishman]

"interchange" shouldn't be allowed at all. Not even heard that it's being trialled at home, I would imagine most leagues won't pick up this "trial".

[Cruie]

Rolling subs means No Stoppages. Like kiddy-football. You shovel them on and off with a wave from the ref (like coming back on after an injury). It often means a bit of chaos, in the kiddies game, with 10-12 players actually on the field as the change happens.

But anyway, it's rubbish - Get a grip! Football is played by 11 blokes with a couple of extras drinking p*ss, manning the touchline and moaning at the coach, until they come on for the last twenty minutes (whether they are 15 or 45 years old).

Interchange ... pffffttttt ... next you'll be wanting specialised goal-kicking teams ;)

Cruie, I merely raised the question seeing it's been trialled at amateur levels in Ye Olde Dart . I'm not for it at serious senior levels - like you I think it will be chaos, just a continuous procession, a shambles. But maybe in juniors, veterans & lower women's leagues.

As for your reference to that other code, 327 interchanges in the Colliwobbles/Golden Glitter fixture says it all about how shambolic that game was..

Not getting at you, mate - Just having a dig at this proposed rule change. It's hard sometimes getting everyone at a club enough game time, but this won't help.

Unlimited subs would lead to 43 minutes of stoppage time per game. Interchange will lead to chaos (like you suggest above): It's hard enough for refs as it is - as we all know from the standard of some performances ;) - without them having to count players every other minute.

And as a couple have said above, I very much doubt we'll ever have to put up with it anyway.

[sirstevieg]

Works well in the O35's...

[God is an Englishman]

Rolling subs means No Stoppages. Like kiddy-football. You shovel them on and off with a wave from the ref (like coming back on after an injury). It often means a bit of chaos, in the kiddies game, with 10-12 players actually on the field as the change happens.

But anyway, it's rubbish - Get a grip! Football is played by 11 blokes with a couple of extras drinking p*ss, manning the touchline and moaning at the coach, until they come on for the last twenty minutes (whether they are 15 or 45 years old).

Interchange ... pffffttttt ... next you'll be wanting specialised goal-kicking teams ;)

Cruie, I merely raised the question seeing it's been trialled at amateur levels in Ye Olde Dart . I'm not for it at serious senior levels - like you I think it will be chaos, just a continuous procession, a shambles. But maybe in juniors, veterans & lower women's leagues.

As for your reference to that other code, 327 interchanges in the Colliwobbles/Golden Glitter fixture says it all about how shambolic that game was..

Not getting at you, mate - Just having a dig at this proposed rule change. It's hard sometimes getting everyone at a club enough game time, but this won't help.

Unlimited subs would lead to 43 minutes of stoppage time per game. Interchange will lead to chaos (like you suggest above): It's hard enough for refs as it is - as we all know from the standard of some performances ;) - without them having to count players every other minute.

And as a couple have said above, I very much doubt we'll ever have to put up with it anyway.

Well it's simple to allow interchange from that perspective but not the rolling part. I assume they have just got the wording wrong as I can't imagine it being allowed to change with the ball still in play and without refs knowledge.

[God is an Englishman]

Works well in the O35's...

That's not "rolling" subs as I know it though. Ball still has to be dead and refs permission sought.

I think Over 35's is the only level interchange should be allowed for.

[slowcoach]

They mean Roll on Roll off substitutions.

National Pilot Project for the modification to the number of substitutions allowed in amateur
football.
BACKGROUND AND RATIONALE
The International Football Association Board (IFAB) granted permission at their AGM on 3rd March, 2012, for
the FA to modify, as part of a two-year pilot scheme, the laws regarding substitutions in recreational football
in any age group provided that:
(i) matches are solely for amateurs
(ii) matches are not part of the most senior domestic competition
Dispensation already exists for five roll-on roll-off substitutes to be allowed involving players under 16, for women’s and girls’
matches and for players with disabilities.
The FA sought more flexibility on substitutions in the amateur game in an effort to help increase participation in 11 v 11
competitions.
Given the above restrictions, the two-year pilot scheme could only operate in England outside the National League System (NLS)
as in practice that is the level below which matches are solely for amateurs.
HOW LONG
The pilot is for two seasons starting in 2012-13. Leagues could also join for one season with effect from 2013-14 if they feel, for
whatever reason, that they cannot implement immediately for next season.
WHO IS INVOLVED
Consultation with Leagues over the last three seasons has identified a real need for the changes to be introduced. The FA Board
has wanted to extend the current dispensation available. Consequently, it is recommended that Council approves the setting up
of a pilot scheme involving any Under 17 and/or Under 18 11v 11 divisions and/or in any open age 11v11 leagues operating
outside the NLS. It is also recommended that competitions with Supply League status into the NLS should not be permitted to
participate. There are a handful of players who are non-amateur in the Supply League system and, additionally, the Referees’
Department needs to demonstrate consistency within the appointments system deployed in Supply Leagues.
NEXT STEP
On 3rd April, 2012, the FA Council approved an amendment to Rule 10(G) of the Standard Code of Rules mirroring the
dispensation that already exists in the Standard Code of Rules for Youth Competitions as follows:
“A Club may at its discretion and in accordance with the Laws of the Game use delete “3” insert ______ substitute players in any
match in this Competition who may be selected from ______ (3,4,5,6 or 7) players.”
Add insert “A player who has been substituted himself becomes a substitute and may replace a player at any time subject to the
substitution being carried out in accordance with Law 3 of the Laws of Association Football.” *Note: the above dispensation may
only be permitted for season 2012-13 and/or 2013-14 in accordance with the IFAB AGM decision of March 2012.]
PROCESS MOVING FORWARD
Leagues wishing to adopt the modifications will need to provide their sanctioning Association (FA or County FA – not both) with
notice of the proposed rule change within the prescribed time limit ahead of their AGM (FA sanctioned competition is 28 days;
other Associations vary). As per AGM rules there must be a vote on the rule amendment and the sanctioning Association will
need to be informed.
MONITORING
The responsibility for monitoring the effects of the increased use of substitutes will fall on the sanctioning Association. It is
proposed to issue full guidance notes to ensure that the full impact on all participants – whether players/teams/coaches/match
officials/ administrators – is recorded as part of evidence gathering.
COMMUNICATION
Subject to the approval of the pilot, FA staff will prepare full information notes for sanctioning Associations to be distributed to
their relevant sanctioned leagues. This communication will describe the practical steps for agreeing the rule change, timescales
and referees’ briefing statement.
Michael Game, Chairman, FA Sanctions and Registrations Committee
Andrew Hailwood, FA National League Development Manager
Steve Rooke, FA Registrations and Sanctions Manager
4th April, 2012.

[Cruie]

...
in accordance with Law 3 of the Laws of Association Football
...

So that's proper substitutions (without looking, I think that is what Law 3 states, anyway ...?), which means coming on, on the halfway line, having been given permission by the ref, while the game is stopped.

So not interchange. And so this will mean half-an-hour of added time as the team 1 up has a constant procession of subs from 80-minutes on.

Also means when someone is subbed, they can go back on ... Which is fine with me, in the kiddy leagues, to give them some rest time, or recovery from a knock ... but not fine in the adult leagues ... Get through 90 minutes, or come off and stay off ... Like I said before, this road leads to specialist kicking teams and lord knows what else. Are you happy when, with 1 minute of ET to go in our cup quarter final, I sub back on my best 5 penalty takers? Are you f**k!

I hope SAASL/FFSA/FFA decide that it's a sack-of-nonsense and politely decline the "offer"

[Delete Your Account]

...
in accordance with Law 3 of the Laws of Association Football
...

So that's proper substitutions (without looking, I think that is what Law 3 states, anyway ...?), which means coming on, on the halfway line, having been given permission by the ref, while the game is stopped.

So not interchange. And so this will mean half-an-hour of added time as the team 1 up has a constant procession of subs from 80-minutes on.

Also means when someone is subbed, they can go back on ... Which is fine with me, in the kiddy leagues, to give them some rest time, or recovery from a knock ... but not fine in the adult leagues ... Get through 90 minutes, or come off and stay off ... Like I said before, this road leads to specialist kicking teams and lord knows what else. Are you happy when, with 1 minute of ET to go in our cup quarter final, I sub back on my best 5 penalty takers? Are you f**k!

I hope SAASL/FFSA/FFA decide that it's a sack-of-nonsense and politely decline the "offer"

They won't, since it's already in existence in women's league (except their Division 1), C Team leagues & Over 35 leagues. Exactly the spots it is needed.

[God is an Englishman]

They won't, since it's already in existence in women's league (except their Division 1), C Team leagues & Over 35 leagues. Exactly the spots it is needed.

Should only be for Over 35's and Juniors.

[Delete Your Account]

They won't, since it's already in existence in women's league (except their Division 1), C Team leagues & Over 35 leagues. Exactly the spots it is needed.

Should only be for Over 35's and Juniors.

The FIFA Laws allow for it:

Dispensation already exists for five roll-on roll-off substitutes to be allowed involving players under 16, for women’s and girls’ matches and for players with disabilities.

One could argue that O35 & C teams are usually players with the inability to run for 90 minutes, so qualify in the last one.

an activity limitation is a difficulty encountered by an individual in executing a task or action;

[God is an Englishman]

They won't, since it's already in existence in women's league (except their Division 1), C Team leagues & Over 35 leagues. Exactly the spots it is needed.

Should only be for Over 35's and Juniors.

The FIFA Laws allow for it:

Dispensation already exists for five roll-on roll-off substitutes to be allowed involving players under 16, for women’s and girls’ matches and for players with disabilities.

One could argue that O35 & C teams are usually players with the inability to run for 90 minutes, so qualify in the last one.

an activity limitation is a difficulty encountered by an individual in executing a task or action;

[clemence]

played in wagga soccer league during the nineties when posted their.
they actually had this interchange rule in seniors, yes ref had to wave player on and ball be dead but the better clubs didnt abuse it as it did more harm than good.
It takes players a while to get back up to speed with the game and all these rotations upset the balance of the team.
Most teams mainly used it to cover injuries and give more time to see how fit a player is without being down to ten men.Then the sub normally came back off for the starting player. I didnt mind it but i played in goals

[Retief]

They mean Roll on Roll off substitutions.

National Pilot Project for the modification to the number of substitutions allowed in amateur
football.
BACKGROUND AND RATIONALE
The International Football Association Board (IFAB) granted permission at their AGM on 3rd March, 2012, for
the FA to modify, as part of a two-year pilot scheme, the laws regarding substitutions in recreational football
in any age group provided that:
(i) matches are solely for amateurs(ii)

well that rules out Sunday Div 1

[Con M]

They mean Roll on Roll off substitutions.

National Pilot Project for the modification to the number of substitutions allowed in amateur
football.
BACKGROUND AND RATIONALE
The International Football Association Board (IFAB) granted permission at their AGM on 3rd March, 2012, for
the FA to modify, as part of a two-year pilot scheme, the laws regarding substitutions in recreational football
in any age group provided that:
(i) matches are solely for amateurs(ii)

well that rules out Sunday Div 1