Uni-Metro points and teamsheets

[southern]

This is from another thread but needs visibility of its own IMO


FFSA, here there is an opportunity to gain some credibility among your women's football people!! Don't let everybody down again, we are sick of it! PLEASE give us some certainty!

Actually I heard Uni have had that decision overturned with an appeal!
Seems hard to fathom the rules are quite clear and as I read black & white.
I hadn't even seen in the rules that you could appeal such a clear cut decision.
I can't imagine an appeal would get anywhere for the same error in the Men's league, be interested to hear the reasons if its has been overturned.

Would be good if you could provide proof, who did you hear this from?
Results on sporting pulse still have Metro winning 3-0

This is IMO a VERY DELICATE issue that need to be transparent for all clubs to know if the rules stand for something of if they can actually be ignored. If the decision is overturned from now on nobody should worry anymore about team sheets. Any team can just write down whatever they want or have players missing etc and nothing at all can be done to these clubs. This is not a penalty or offside where there can be some interpretation from the ref...this is a clear cut rule. Uni made a mistake (honest maybe but still...) and they have to pay, especially because there are other teams involved. If not it's just a farce.

Metro should be extremely upset with this - they DESERVE the points as Uni did IRREGULAR things. And also other clubs (Fulham, A.City, Cumby etc) that will lose points on Uni. It really just looks like mates looking after each other from where I stand...

...or maybe payback time for Metro for having said too much in the past couple of years and pissing off somebody in FFSA?

[Lucas Leiva]

It really just looks like mates looking after each other from where I stand...

With the FFSA having deducted points off 3 Uni teams already this season, I'd say no.

[snow white]

It really just looks like mates looking after each other from where I stand...

With the FFSA having deducted points off 3 Uni teams already this season, I'd say no.

so despite multiple transgressions in this season alone by your own admission, how did the Uni Prem team get out of a black and white rule??

[Lucas Leiva]

It really just looks like mates looking after each other from where I stand...

With the FFSA having deducted points off 3 Uni teams already this season, I'd say no.

so despite multiple transgressions in this season alone by your own admission, how did the Uni Prem team get out of a black and white rule??

My own admission? I don't coach Uni Prems sides. In fact, I don't coach a side that has made any 'transgressions'.

As far as I can see from forum commenting - because I don't know otherwise - it appears they appeal and the won. Is that not obvious from the first comment?

[pvfc]

This is from another thread but needs visibility of its own IMO


FFSA, here there is an opportunity to gain some credibility among your women's football people!! Don't let everybody down again, we are sick of it! PLEASE give us some certainty!

Actually I heard Uni have had that decision overturned with an appeal!
Seems hard to fathom the rules are quite clear and as I read black & white.
I hadn't even seen in the rules that you could appeal such a clear cut decision.
I can't imagine an appeal would get anywhere for the same error in the Men's league, be interested to hear the reasons if its has been overturned.

Would be good if you could provide proof, who did you hear this from?
Results on sporting pulse still have Metro winning 3-0

This is IMO a VERY DELICATE issue that need to be transparent for all clubs to know if the rules stand for something of if they can actually be ignored. If the decision is overturned from now on nobody should worry anymore about team sheets. Any team can just write down whatever they want or have players missing etc and nothing at all can be done to these clubs. This is not a penalty or offside where there can be some interpretation from the ref...this is a clear cut rule. Uni made a mistake (honest maybe but still...) and they have to pay, especially because there are other teams involved. If not it's just a farce.

Metro should be extremely upset with this - they DESERVE the points as Uni did IRREGULAR things. And also other clubs (Fulham, A.City, Cumby etc) that will lose points on Uni. It really just looks like mates looking after each other from where I stand...

...or maybe payback time for Metro for having said too much in the past couple of years and pissing off somebody in FFSA?

Bad Egg raises some valid points.
I notice the results have now been changed on the FFSA results web site.
Regardless of any finger pointing or "he said, she said...." etc, this pantomime is the last thing the game needs. It really does nothing for the credibility of the competition!

[Bagman]

FFSA = toothless tiger ...

[snow white]

so despite multiple transgressions in this season alone by your own admission, how did the Uni Prem team get out of a black and white rule??

My own admission? I don't coach Uni Prems sides. In fact, I don't coach a side that has made any 'transgressions'.

As far as I can see from forum commenting - because I don't know otherwise - it appears they appeal and the won. Is that not obvious from the first comment?

I never said you coached any of the Uni teams that transgressed. Just pointing out that it was your written statement that detailed FFSA have already deducted points from THREE Uni teams this season, and its only round 5!!

So it begs the question, why has FFSA showed clemency to allow this transgression to not be punished, when the Club has already broken the rules more than once this season??

I also asked the question when this incident first occurred, and it was never answered at the time, as to why Uni deliberately submitted a false name to to FFSA as to the goal scorers that day???

Was that 'oversight' an accident too???

The rules are rules, and they need to be respected for the credibility of the entire game.

[Easy Tiger]

so despite multiple transgressions in this season alone by your own admission, how did the Uni Prem team get out of a black and white rule??

My own admission? I don't coach Uni Prems sides. In fact, I don't coach a side that has made any 'transgressions'.

As far as I can see from forum commenting - because I don't know otherwise - it appears they appeal and the won. Is that not obvious from the first comment?

I never said you coached any of the Uni teams that transgressed. Just pointing out that it was your written statement that detailed FFSA have already deducted points from THREE Uni teams this season, and its only round 5!!

So it begs the question, why has FFSA showed clemency to allow this transgression to not be punished, when the Club has already broken the rules more than once this season??

I also asked the question when this incident first occurred, and it was never answered at the time, as to why Uni deliberately submitted a false name to to FFSA as to the goal scorers that day???

Was that 'oversight' an accident too???

The rules are rules, and they need to be respected for the credibility of the entire game.

Spot on! Bending this rule right now just makes everyone feel bad about the game and the lak of direction of FFSA (except Uni maybe...but I know for a fact that at least two Uni players and some parents too are embarrassed about this and don't agree at all with the way this thing is going. News travel fast...).

[Fatboy]

so despite multiple transgressions in this season alone by your own admission, how did the Uni Prem team get out of a black and white rule??

My own admission? I don't coach Uni Prems sides. In fact, I don't coach a side that has made any 'transgressions'.

As far as I can see from forum commenting - because I don't know otherwise - it appears they appeal and the won. Is that not obvious from the first comment?

I never said you coached any of the Uni teams that transgressed. Just pointing out that it was your written statement that detailed FFSA have already deducted points from THREE Uni teams this season, and its only round 5!!

So it begs the question, why has FFSA showed clemency to allow this transgression to not be punished, when the Club has already broken the rules more than once this season??

I also asked the question when this incident first occurred, and it was never answered at the time, as to why Uni deliberately submitted a false name to to FFSA as to the goal scorers that day???

Was that 'oversight' an accident too???

The rules are rules, and they need to be respected for the credibility of the entire game.

Spot on! Bending this rule right now just makes everyone feel bad about the game and the lak of direction of FFSA (except Uni maybe...but I know for a fact that at least two Uni players and some parents too are embarrassed about this and don't agree at all with the way this thing is going. News travel fast...).

So hypertheticaly if Uni win the league and are sent to WA to play their Premier League champions will those embarressed players refuse to go?? Or more importantly will their parents let them?? If players or parents aren't happy with the clubs "handling" of this they can always leave/transfer to another club

[batumgoesthedynamite]

uni players embarrassed?? hardly the case!
ignorance is bliss

[Brillo]

I hear that they are all ready printing up winners t-shirts.....

[evens]

it looks like uni are up to there normal tricks again,putting players on team sheets, playing non regestered players,changing rules(or bending them) allready printing t shirts it didn't help them last year they had a whole heap left over to wipe there tears when they lost the u17s cup,the ffsa has to put there foot down and not let any team or club be run the league to suit themseves.

[M@rvin]

OK so what is the full story?
So far we have:
Uni playing a player not listed on the team sheet.
This reported by the Ref.
FFSA awarding the win to Metro.
Uni appealing the decision ( on what grounds?? )
FFSA upholding the appeal reinstating Uni as the winner ( Why?? )

Would anyone with the full story like to comment?

The other question should be why none of this has been publicly announced by FFSA.
Why the secrecy?

[southern]

OK so what is the full story?
So far we have:
Uni playing a player not listed on the team sheet.
This reported by the Ref.
FFSA awarding the win to Metro.
Uni appealing the decision ( on what grounds?? )
FFSA upholding the appeal reinstating Uni as the winner ( Why?? )

Would anyone with the full story like to comment?

The other question should be why none of this has been publicly announced by FFSA.
Why the secrecy?

Apparently the appeal is not taken by FFSA but by a separate body. But the question about the secrecy is important IMO...why this lack of transparency? Is it because this means that from now on there's absolutely no more need to respect any rule? This is a massive precedent, which basically erases the rule of teamsheets but also many others.

Also, Uni apparently changed the name of the scorer on the team sheet to repair to their mistake...so they did two illegal things, yet walk away with points. Was this ever considered by those who reinstated Uni as winners? This effectively means cheating, and it can't be considered an honest mistake...

So it would be great if FFSA could provide us all with a report of the incident so that we know what the rules are and where everybody stands. Especially we need to know why we should give a toss about the rules from now on. Letting this happen is an absolute disgrace.

The last thing is, since when can you appeal against a black/white rule?

[pc9999]

Apparently the appeal is not taken by FFSA but by a separate body. But the question about the secrecy is important IMO...why this lack of transparency? Is it because this means that from now on there's absolutely no more need to respect any rule? This is a massive precedent, which basically erases the rule of teamsheets but also many others.

The rule still exists, but in the real world and even in SA women's soccer all rules can be questioned. I would think an appeal can be lodged irrespective and the appeal is then looked at, if it is without merit then dismissed I think even if it is black and white. The fact the rule is there doesnt mean you can't appeal it.

Also, Uni apparently changed the name of the scorer on the team sheet to repair to their mistake...so they did two illegal things, yet walk away with points. Was this ever considered by those who reinstated Uni as winners? This effectively means cheating, and it can't be considered an honest mistake...

I am curious where this information actually came from, not denying it may/may not have happened, but curious.

So it would be great if FFSA could provide us all with a report of the incident so that we know what the rules are and where everybody stands.

No disrespect (I Mean it) but on here you're a punter like the rest of us.
I would think the respective clubs were informed and possibly the other club delegates (if they weren't then it is wrong)

Especially we need to know why we should give a toss about the rules from now on. Letting this happen is an absolute disgrace.
The last thing is, since when can you appeal against a black/white rule?

I guess if you're a club you give a toss because you're a member of the federation. And agree to abide by their rules/decisions. This being said they can for whatever reason (at their discretion change things)

I guess the whole thing does't go down too well, but I haven't seen anything from Metro or Uni or FFSA about this (YET) and I too would be interested to know but I doubt the rationale/justification will come out.

Given all this, the club displaced from 2nd could have a grounds for appeal/clarification and Metro would too on hearing about the appeal. Did the FFSA go through the process of notification, this is really the key in my opinion.

[haywood djablowme]

It really just looks like mates looking after each other from where I stand...

How could you say such a thing Bad Egg... I put this to you all last year & was shot down in a flash

Time to wake up football lovers the league is CORRUPT! & to allow such a thing to happen is unheard of...

Lower div teams have had points deducted already this year for minor infringements BUT the league fails to interpret the rules correctly with one of the so called 'bigger clubs'

Your a joke of an association

Nuff said

[snow white]

Can anyone confirm if Toros Reserves has been awarded the game versus Fulham as a forfeit following the alledged incient on the weekend??

The irony of Fulham getting penalised with a forfeit in the same week as Uni being found guilty of the very same offense, but then let off, is not amusing, but a mockery on the game.

This only highlights the insanity of letting Uni get away with a clear breach of the rules, irrespective of their excuse for that breach.

[Leppskiii]

The over ruling actually has nothing to do with FFSA by the way it is another board that deals with the appeals!!
Good to see the league is united..over the loathing of adelaide uni for being terrible at following rules!

[Sweeps101]

Can anyone confirm if Toros Reserves has been awarded the game versus Fulham as a forfeit following the alledged incient on the weekend?

Confirming it now - Toros Reserves have been awarded the three points for the game as a result of a player not being on the team sheet for Fulham and playing.

[Easy Tiger]

Double standards? Fulham should totally appeal now, no disrespect for toros.
No way FFSA, what a joke.
The rules are rules. Separate body or not, the facts are that 1) a team breached a clear cut rule, 2) that team has very strong connections with some very senior ppl in FFSA, 3) that team gets out of the sanction. Maybe it's just a coincidence??
Maybe it is, but cheating is now rewarded in SA instead of being sanctioned.
Great message for all the kids! The funny thing is all that bullocks this year about "RESPECT"...haha, respect the rules maybe? What a farce.

[John Cena]

and these twots still have a job work that out.....

[Neyma]

Spoke to one of the players of fulham and they confirmed the mess up of team sheet. I ask if the club was going to appeal, and was told very strongly no way would fulham appeal. She told me the coaches and players discussed, and the clubs integrity is of more importance.

Makes the fulham v Uni game next week very important, think will be a cracker.

Heard that was being moved to burton on Friday night, can anyone confirm if this is true

[snow white]

Spoke to one of the players of fulham and they confirmed the mess up of team sheet. I ask if the club was going to appeal, and was told very strongly no way would fulham appeal. She told me the coaches and players discussed, and the clubs integrity is of more importance.

Makes the fulham v Uni game next week very important, think will be a cracker.

Heard that was being moved to burton on Friday night, can anyone confirm if this is true

kudos to Fulham to respecting the rules and not exploiting the dangerous precedence that the Uni appeal has opened.

however, how do the clubs move forward now knowing that any rule can be successfully challenged provided you have a 'good enough' excuse??? This is the lunacy of the Appeal Board decision.

Lets note that Uni were not found innocent of breaking the rule. They were found to have a good enough reason to allow the rule NOT to be applied. How can the rule being applied to Fulham, but not to Uni???

FFSA time to step in here, and restore credibility as the appointed caretakers of the game.

[Sweeps101]

can't speak personally for uni as I have no idea what reasoning they used to get off but the fact of the matter is for fulham, there simply is nothing to appeal. It was just an oversight, and no one else's fault but our own. we did not put this player on the team sheet as a way of cheating, it was just a silly little mistake, one of those things that just happens sometimes. We will cop the punishment and come back stronger than ever.

The way that the club has handled this unfortunate incident makes me proud to be apart of the club

[scipio africanus]

can't speak personally for uni as I have no idea what reasoning they used to get off but the fact of the matter is for fulham, there simply is nothing to appeal. It was just an oversight, and no one else's fault but our own. we did not put this player on the team sheet as a way of cheating, it was just a silly little mistake, one of those things that just happens sometimes. We will cop the punishment and come back stronger than ever.

The way that the club has handled this unfortunate incident makes me proud to be apart of the club

Well done to Fulham for admitting to the honest mistake and respecting the rules and the consequences of breaking that rule. This is how the game should be played and respected.

[batumgoesthedynamite]

i hope the player who got sent off has apoligised to her team mates
very pathetic behaviour, especially with the focus on referee respect

[Drusetta]

Judging by the comments to date, can anyone shed any light as to why there have been so many "errors" so far this season?

I'm sure it is extremely rare that any team has deliberately cheated, to gain an advantage.
Even with unregistered players - I thought there was some 3 game "guest" rule. Does this still apply in season 2012?

Is the error quantity unusually high this season, compared to other seasons?
If so, what has changed that may have contributed to the amount of errors?
If not, then it begs the same question, what has changed?

Apart from greater scrutiny, what other actions can be taken to minimise these types of errors?

Acknowledge and address the errors by all means, but it would also be of benefit to focus on solutions as well.

Just a thought.

[southern]

Judging by the comments to date, can anyone shed any light as to why there have been so many "errors" so far this season?

I'm sure it is extremely rare that any team has deliberately cheated, to gain an advantage.
Even with unregistered players - I thought there was some 3 game "guest" rule. Does this still apply in season 2012?

Is the error quantity unusually high this season, compared to other seasons?
If so, what has changed that may have contributed to the amount of errors?
If not, then it begs the same question, what has changed?

Apart from greater scrutiny, what other actions can be taken to minimise these types of errors?

Acknowledge and address the errors by all means, but it would also be of benefit to focus on solutions as well.

Just a thought.

I agree with this comment, but only if it's CERTAIN that errors are addressed. IMO if decision on clear-cut rules can be appealed even when it's clear that a team is "guilty" (by own admission) then the whole system becomes a joke.

I said this sand I repeat it, this team sheets issue has the potential to create great problems. A club can't be allowed to disrespect the rules in this way. Look at Fulham, they actually make the game look serious and credible by acknowledging they made a mistake and so they pay. Fair and square.

Why is Uni different? People always complain that the game in SA is shiraz...these are the things that everyone is fed up with. Players and coaches can't stand anymore to be part of such a zoo. Uni's attitude on this is absolutely disgraceful, shame on you, really. But the sad thing is that their coach/club attitude makes the whole game in SA look like s#1te, including many clubs that actually do the right things. There are many ppl out there who are not only about win-at-all-costs but have some respect for others and work hard to make sure the girls grow up with honest values of fair play. What is the message Uni are sending to the young ones? You can make any mistake and disregard any rule as long as you know someone important enough or you have an excuse? Congratulations, you are really leading by example. NOT. Is this the club that supposedly everyone should be looking up to? Again, shame on you...And also on the Federation for how badly they are handling the whole thing, as usual. You are all making a mockery of women's football in SA.

[John Cena]

Judging by the comments to date, can anyone shed any light as to why there have been so many "errors" so far this season?

I'm sure it is extremely rare that any team has deliberately cheated, to gain an advantage.
Even with unregistered players - I thought there was some 3 game "guest" rule. Does this still apply in season 2012?

Is the error quantity unusually high this season, compared to other seasons?
If so, what has changed that may have contributed to the amount of errors?
If not, then it begs the same question, what has changed?

Apart from greater scrutiny, what other actions can be taken to minimise these types of errors?

Acknowledge and address the errors by all means, but it would also be of benefit to focus on solutions as well.

Just a thought.

It seems Drussetta that all the drama follows you at whatever club you go to, :roll:Poor campbeltown

[Unretired]

That really is poor form cena