Which league is more competitive, Amateur or Collegiate?

[Azzurri80]

How would I recognise any of them?

If they were any good then they would be winning leagues, cups and promotions[/quote]

If you knew anything about football in this state then trust me you would recognise them. As per my original post they have been winning leagues and cups yet they only have one team which prevents promotion according to collegiate rules.

Anyway, if you want to talk about the schoolboys league, can you take it to the correct forum.

This is for the amateur league.

The topic makes a clear argument regarding the Amateur Leagues so the point could be made that it is in the correct forum. No one likes a forum nazi so just chill bill. zebbie is asking for the opinions of Amateur League players so I doubt he would have had much of a response had he posted this topic elsewhere.

My mother use to always say if you have nothing nice to say, say it in Italian. I'm assuming you're an Englishman, therefore you probably don't have the benefit of knowing another language, so probably best you say nothing at all.

[Stitch This]

The topic makes a clear argument regarding the Amateur Leagues so the point could be made that it is in the correct forum. No one likes a forum nazi so just chill bill. zebbie is asking for the opinions of Amateur League players so I doubt he would have had much of a response had he posted this topic elsewhere.

My mother use to always say if you have nothing nice to say, say it in Italian. I'm assuming you're an Englishman, therefore you probably don't have the benefit of knowing another language, so probably best you say nothing at all.

So young, yet so serious

[God is an Englishman]

My mother use to always say if you have nothing nice to say, say it in Italian. I'm assuming you're an Englishman, therefore you probably don't have the benefit of knowing another language, so probably best you say nothing at all.

My mother used to say, never make assumptions as it makes an ass of u and umption.

She also used to say, Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. I think this is quite apt for your comment.

Which language would you like to converse in french, german, English or latin? I even know a little bit of australian and american.

[God is an Englishman]

If you knew anything about football in this state then trust me you would recognise them. all.

Name some names then?

[I Am Number Two]

Which language would you like to converse in french, german, English or latin? I even know a little bit of australian and american.

Francais, s'il vous plait....

[God is an Englishman]

Which language would you like to converse in french, german, English or latin? I even know a little bit of australian and american.

Francais, s'il vous plait....

Bonjour Je Suis Nombre Deux, ca va?

[Chico]

If you knew anything about football in this state then trust me you would recognise them. all.

Name some names then?

You Name name...

Careful you might get blacklisted!!!

[Azzurri80]

If they were any good then they would be winning leagues, cups and promotions[/quote]

My mother used to say, never make assumptions as it makes an ass of u and umption.

She also used to say, Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. I think this is quite apt for your comment.

Name some names then?

So it's fair to say you're an ass who never listened to your mother?

My father use to always say, never name names

[God is an Englishman]

If they were any good then they would be winning leagues, cups and promotions

My mother used to say, never make assumptions as it makes an ass of u and umption.

She also used to say, Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. I think this is quite apt for your comment.

Name some names then?

So it's fair to say you're an ass who never listened to your mother?

My father use to always say, never name names [/quote]


Where's my assumptions?

Your father is a wise man!

[Stitch This]

I used to play for Windsor Gardens in the collegiate league with a bunch of mates and I think they are still in Div 3 Saturdays (not sure why).

If you knew anything about football in this state then trust me you would recognise them. As per my original post they have been winning leagues and cups yet they only have one team which prevents promotion according to collegiate rules.

You seem confused.

They are top of Div 2A after four games.

[Steve#4]

League and Clubs are two different things.....Windsor gardens is not a League, I may be mistaken though.

[Stitch This]

League and Clubs are two different things.....Windsor gardens is not a League, I may be mistaken though.

But they are very good. Or so I'm told.

[Steve#4]

League and Clubs are two different things.....Windsor gardens is not a League, I may be mistaken though.

But they are very good. Or so I'm told.

In a league of their own one could say...

[De Voyeur]

Nice one Legga- I like your synopsis.

Some of us Sunday boys do go to church though.

[Azzurri80]

I used to play for Windsor Gardens in the collegiate league with a bunch of mates and I think they are still in Div 3 Saturdays (not sure why).

If you knew anything about football in this state then trust me you would recognise them. As per my original post they have been winning leagues and cups yet they only have one team which prevents promotion according to collegiate rules.

You seem confused.

They are top of Div 2A after four games.

Not confused mate, just stating what I know. I did state that 'I think' they are still in Div. 3 as that is the league they have been in since I was there back in 2007.

The league may have made an exception and promoted them this season due to their dominance but I know previously they didn't get promoted, after winning their league a number of times, due to having just the one team.

[Rexie]

Excuse my ignorance- but what "cup" did this team win?

[Knight15]

Don't worry about most of these guys, they just don't have the guts to make a call!


In order, from strongest to weakest, it goes:

Windsor Gardens
Collegiate 1A
Saturday 1A
Collegiate 2A
Sunday 1A
Saturday 2A
Saturday 3A
Sunday 3A
Collegiate 3A
Sunday 2A
Saturday 4A
SPL
EPL
Serie A

Hope this helps

[Big Mac]

Don't worry about most of these guys, they just don't have the guts to make a call!


In order, from strongest to weakest, it goes:

Windsor Gardens
Collegiate 1A
Saturday 1A
Collegiate 2A
Sunday 1A
Saturday 2A
Saturday 3A
Sunday 3A
Collegiate 3A
Sunday 2A
Saturday 4A
SPL
EPL
Serie A

Hope this helps

Are Windsor Gardens playing in a league of their own?...no wonder they are dominating

[Azzurri80]

Excuse my ignorance- but what "cup" did this team win?

The Collegiate League Cup, different to the Amateur League Cup.

[Rexie]

Excuse my ignorance- but what "cup" did this team win?

The Collegiate League Cup, different to the Amateur League Cup.

So that in that cup comp a reserves team could draw a First team at a club?
Just had a look on the website?

[Clubsport]

zebbie, I can't actually tell if you're taking the pis or not but if your not I can tell you a good way to measure the strength of the leagues.

I used to play for Windsor Gardens in the collegiate league with a bunch of mates and I think they are still in Div 3 Saturdays (not sure why). With the exception of maybe 2 or 3 players, anyone of those blokes could walk straight into a Sat or Sunday Div 1 team. Most of the guys there just play for the sake of having a run with a bunch of mates however they still consistently smash teams 10 to 15 nil. I'm pretty sure they have won the league and the cup the last few years in a row also.

If you get the chance to play against these guys you can measure your performance against them in the same light as if you were playing a Div 1 team or better. That should at least clarify things for you regarding the contrasts in the level of play between collegiate and amateur teams.

In regards to Div 1 Sats vs. Sundays, the debate rages on! Personally I think the Sunday league is physically tougher, but I would have to say the skill level of the players overall would be on par, especially over the past few years since Saturdays has attracted a lot more quality players.

Windsor Gardens are playing in the Collegiate league in Division 3(this year they are playing Div2 ) and thats why they are smashing all the teams they play.The reason they are not playing in Div 1 is because the club must field at least 2 teams to be in Div 1 and whilst I agree they are good , they would not dominate Div 1 but probably be competitive.When the Div 1 teams draw a Div 3 team in the cup games they also smash these teams as there is a huge gap between these Divisions.

[bigpond]

zebbie, I can't actually tell if you're taking the pis or not but if your not I can tell you a good way to measure the strength of the leagues.

I used to play for Windsor Gardens in the collegiate league with a bunch of mates and I think they are still in Div 3 Saturdays (not sure why). With the exception of maybe 2 or 3 players, anyone of those blokes could walk straight into a Sat or Sunday Div 1 team. Most of the guys there just play for the sake of having a run with a bunch of mates however they still consistently smash teams 10 to 15 nil. I'm pretty sure they have won the league and the cup the last few years in a row also.

If you get the chance to play against these guys you can measure your performance against them in the same light as if you were playing a Div 1 team or better. That should at least clarify things for you regarding the contrasts in the level of play between collegiate and amateur teams.

In regards to Div 1 Sats vs. Sundays, the debate rages on! Personally I think the Sunday league is physically tougher, but I would have to say the skill level of the players overall would be on par, especially over the past few years since Saturdays has attracted a lot more quality players.

I know the team u r talking about as a mate at work plays collegiate league for Immanuel and played against them last year.

Yes they smashed every team but couldn't go higher cos they had no reserve team which you need.

Good luck if you think they could walk into any team but if they enjoy winning 10-0 every week instead of pushing themselves to play at a better level maybe they just have big egos - why not form a team in the Amateur League on Saturdays and then they could have tested themselves against better teams via the cup rounds and see how good they really think they are - i think they just like to win and have an easy run.

Plenty of players with skill out there but dont cut the mustard at Sun Div 1 cos they just dont have the ticker to do it week in week out.

And for the record Sun Div 1 amateur's would easily account for any collegiate league team over the course of a whole season - even the top teams in the Collegiate Leagues wouldn't get close to them in an 18 round league.

[Azzurri80]

Just for the record, I never said they would dominate Div 1, I just said that many of the players could walk into any Div 1 side and be welcomed with open arms. However I agree that if they went into Div 1 as a team they would definitely be competitive but there age and class may eventually succumb to youth and fitness over the course of a whole season.

bigpond, as I stated in my original post these guys play to have fun and a bit of a run around as a group of mates. They've all been mates since a young age but due to different career paths they never had the chance to all play together, hence why they do now. I know all the guys down there and trust me they don't play to boost their egos. Most of them have a resume of success in football that goes much higher than the Collegiate or Amateur leagues, so they don't have to prove or test themselves at that level, as they already have at a much higher level. Their ages range from 34-40 so most are in the twilight of their football careers and now they just play to stay active and social.

The point I made to zebbie originally has been lost as you are all very defensive about your respective leagues. All I said is that if he wanted to experience the difference in quality between collegiate and amateur, playing against Windsor would give him a fair indication of the gap between collegiate and amateur clubs, as Windsor would be the closest thing to a Div 1 amateur team in the collegiate league.

[Dash Riprock]

Played in both comps..... Windsor were good but are slowly coming to the end of their respective careers. Played them last year as part of our clubs C team and they smashed us 11-0! They had a mix of C and B teams as opposition which were comaprable with Sat Div 3 to 6 in ability.
Windsor were capable of Div 2 amateurs.
As for the difference in ability.... I reckon Sun Div 1 would outlcass the Collegiate Div1 by a fair distance with the top 3 collegiate teams probably being able to compete but would be in the bottom half of the Div 1 league.
Div 2 of the Collegiate is comparable to Div3 Saturday..
The Collegiate Cup has been won by Div 3 teams for the last 2 years, both of whom wouldn't win a game in Sunday or Saturday Div 1..... make of that what you will
I don't have a problem with either of the leagues and am saying it as I see!
Beware the Amatuer league policeman who is obsessed with the 's' in amateurs.....

[God is an Englishman]

Beware the Amatuer league policeman who is obsessed with the 's' in amateurs.....

facts are facts.

[Azzurri80]

Played in both comps..... Windsor were good but are slowly coming to the end of their respective careers. Played them last year as part of our clubs C team and they smashed us 11-0! They had a mix of C and B teams as opposition which were comaprable with Sat Div 3 to 6 in ability.
Windsor were capable of Div 2 amateurs.
As for the difference in ability.... I reckon Sun Div 1 would outlcass the Collegiate Div1 by a fair distance with the top 3 collegiate teams probably being able to compete but would be in the bottom half of the Div 1 league.
Div 2 of the Collegiate is comparable to Div3 Saturday..
The Collegiate Cup has been won by Div 3 teams for the last 2 years, both of whom wouldn't win a game in Sunday or Saturday Div 1..... make of that what you will
I don't have a problem with either of the leagues and am saying it as I see!
Beware the Amatuer league policeman who is obsessed with the 's' in amateurs.....

Fair call Riprock. Nice to see someone can have a well thought out opinion without getting their knickers in a knot. Can't say I agree with everything you said but I respect your views.

And don't worry about the coppers mate. Their obsessed with everything and know nothing. Another thing my father always told me.