Shambles

[SAD GAL]

PAO 13.

my suggestion....women's teams (as with junior boys) cannot go it alone. Back as a united group is the only sensible way.

Olympic (as I've always maintained)....is a "feel good club" that has always given players opportunities. Its good on one hand however, you cannot build a strong culture of commitment and long term success by being so passive and reluctant to demand a high level of commitment.

When George ran the show, he was a decent bloke that gave everyone a go. It was a good club taht was competitive however, George was too kind and forgiving and sometimes the minority ran the show (to ist demise). even when located at B-12 with olympic men/boys, he was very obliging and the girls were pushed around.

Not his fault however, Olympuic had an identity crisis and was al;ways afraid to flex its muscle because it did not wnat to offend.

Good luck with your endeavours PAO13 I'm sure Olympic girls will still be therer.

[John Cena]

any news about the meeting last night?

[Lucas Leiva]

Retired,

I do know how much work you put into our club, and am still grateful for it!

While I also appreciate that many of the girls who came to Uni would have come because of the coaching offered and the structure and stability at the club, I know for a fact that a few have come after being approached and that a number of others were approached and decided not to go. I have even been shown the messages they were sent. Like I said, I don't pass judgment as I know the enormity of the task that faced Uni when they were promoted and I know they needed to recruit to be competitive, especially as you would of lost a few of the talented youngsters to the NTC.

I also know that players don't just leave clubs because they are poached. Sadly a lot of the better ones that clubs look to build around are.

Unfortunately there isn't a solution beyond ALL clubs deciding to stop doing it. Call me a pessimist but I don't see that happening any time soon.

Financial penalties/sanctions from FFSA for any clubs who do so? Players who DO move obviously wouldnt show their coaches, but players who dont move would surely report the issue to their coach or show their coach text messages. I believe its possible to get all clubs on-side regarding player movement, it just takes leadership, and stronger stances regarding the issues from the governing bodies. Look at the FA in England, UEFA and FIFA. They banned Chelsea for 6 months from player transfers due to the Gael Kakuta transfer, also Man Utd were banned due to their transfer of the Da Silva twins before they were 18.

Quoting a FIFA ruling on two of the richest clubs in the world on players they signed internationally in comparison to open trials by an amateur women's football club?!

I think this offers the greatest insight into why the women's game is in the state it is - you're blowing the league way out of proportion, as are a lot of players and clubs. This is not the UCL, this is the FFSA women's comp, and people should be more realistic with how to approach the league (including the FFSA itself).

In the men's comp, clubs sign off on a player who has a non-amateur contract when they move. Therefore introduce a non-amateur contract for girls playing in State League and above and solve your supposed problem instantly. Then the clubs can talk to the players prior to them leaving if need be. HOWEVER if the players aren't getting paid (which 90% aren't), then this is all irrelevant and they're free to do whatever they want.

'Tapping up' is an absurd term to use in this thread.

[BlackBrian_7]

Retired,

I do know how much work you put into our club, and am still grateful for it!

While I also appreciate that many of the girls who came to Uni would have come because of the coaching offered and the structure and stability at the club, I know for a fact that a few have come after being approached and that a number of others were approached and decided not to go. I have even been shown the messages they were sent. Like I said, I don't pass judgment as I know the enormity of the task that faced Uni when they were promoted and I know they needed to recruit to be competitive, especially as you would of lost a few of the talented youngsters to the NTC.

I also know that players don't just leave clubs because they are poached. Sadly a lot of the better ones that clubs look to build around are.

Unfortunately there isn't a solution beyond ALL clubs deciding to stop doing it. Call me a pessimist but I don't see that happening any time soon.

Financial penalties/sanctions from FFSA for any clubs who do so? Players who DO move obviously wouldnt show their coaches, but players who dont move would surely report the issue to their coach or show their coach text messages. I believe its possible to get all clubs on-side regarding player movement, it just takes leadership, and stronger stances regarding the issues from the governing bodies. Look at the FA in England, UEFA and FIFA. They banned Chelsea for 6 months from player transfers due to the Gael Kakuta transfer, also Man Utd were banned due to their transfer of the Da Silva twins before they were 18.

Quoting a FIFA ruling on two of the richest clubs in the world on players they signed internationally in comparison to open trials by an amateur women's football club?!

I think this offers the greatest insight into why the women's game is in the state it is - you're blowing the league way out of proportion, as are a lot of players and clubs. This is not the UCL, this is the FFSA women's comp, and people should be more realistic with how to approach the league (including the FFSA itself).

In the men's comp, clubs sign off on a player who has a non-amateur contract when they move. Therefore introduce a non-amateur contract for girls playing in State League and above and solve your supposed problem instantly. Then the clubs can talk to the players prior to them leaving if need be. HOWEVER if the players aren't getting paid (which 90% aren't), then this is all irrelevant and they're free to do whatever they want.

'Tapping up' is an absurd term to use in this thread.

+1, I bet there aren't the same ridiculous ideas espoused in QLD and NSW.

It's an amateur comp and you want to sign players to contracts? Slavery has been abolished get into the 21st century. These players leave their clubs because their ambitions aren't matched.

[pvfc]

Non-amateur contracts would potentially just cause other problems. eg players looking to gain scholarships in the USA who become ineligible if they have ever been 'non-amateur'.
So implementing such contracts could therefore result in players avoiding the higher divisions of our local league if they have ambitions of going to play at a US college/uni. This would hinder the development of such girls and potentially result in an even smaller player pool for our local league.
Also, aren't most if not all the Adelaide United girls only on amateur contracts anyway?

[Fitz]

Non-amateur contracts would potentially just cause other problems. eg players looking to gain scholarships in the USA who become ineligible if they have ever been 'non-amateur'.
So implementing such contracts could therefore result in players avoiding the higher divisions of our local league if they have ambitions of going to play at a US college/uni. This would hinder the development of such girls and potentially result in an even smaller player pool for our local league.
Also, aren't most if not all the Adelaide United girls only on amateur contracts anyway?

Okay, so sign them to amateur status contracts. There has to be more emphasis put on being able to retain players at the club.

BlackBrian - the ambitions of the committee and coaches that were at Olympic were absolutely unmatched. We had aims to be the premier club in the state, with 4 junior sides, and the best 2 senior sides in the state, those being the First XI, and the Second XI. Unfortunately, we had no players to even start those ambitions rolling.

Lucas - These are simple comparisons. These girls want to be given every opportunity to make it to the top level? Then they must be treated as professionals. No, this competition is not the UCL, but I believe it should be regarded, in the very least, as a semi-professional league (I would expect fully professional behaviour from players and coaches). Tapping up does occur, and what else would you call it? Its a laymans term that everyone understands. And you want to talk about players not getting paid? THEY HAVENT PROVEN ANYTHING YET! When they are in the W-League, playing overseas, then they can get paid (even so, again on amateur level contracts if they want to play US collegiate system). They should show the discipline and focus to succeed at a professional level before getting paid, not the other way around. Same for any athlete. Play the game beause you love it.


To put this in perspective - and I will use an example from Craig Foster's book: The ones who whould be on the most money at the semi-professional level are the coaches, the youth coaches, the technical directors, but they should be ACCREDITED ACCORDINGLY, and be skilled in what they do. Not the players. Players will start making professional status when they receive proper instruction from highly skilled, technical coaches, and then they will make their money. At the moment, the problem is that the top players get the money, the coaches get a pittance.

I agree with Fozz's call that the FFA should charge absolutely minimal fees for their technical coaching accreditation (and hopefully, in future, no fee at all) so that we can get more accredited coaches in the system, and improve our players, who will then move into the professional realms of the sport equipped to succeed, and to earn a living whilst doing so.


Let me break it down for you. I have done Senior Cert I, and II, and the Senior License (luckily I was able to do this in one course, spanning 6 weeks or so, one night a week) - Cost: $270

Then, I have been through the AFC C License (luckily, done locally, although I have had to travel to Burton for approx half of the sessions), this course ran for 2 1/2 months, min 2 sessions per week, sometimes a full day on weekends. - Cost: $1650 (without counting travel expenses or assignment expenses). Also, I have not yet passed the final examination - it is very stringent conditions to pass, you are not guaranteed to get the accreditation. If you fail, you repeat the whole course, full cost.

If others, like me, aim to become fully professionally accredited - the AFC B License is $5000, then I dont know how much the A License is, and then the Pro Diploma (again cost unknown).

Money I have received via coaching - $0


I am not complaining about me paying all this money, I WANT to do it. Its extremely technical information, first rate instructors and a worldwide recognised qualification. I see this as an outlay that I will recoup when turning professional. Players should see it the same way. They shouldnt get paid to play at this level, they should have club loyalty and receive quality coaching by accredited coaches, and they should already be displaying a professional attitude to the game before they succeed locally, and then move on and play at a higher level.


Yes, players need better coaching, but I am astounded at what happened at Olympic, as the new coaches and committee weren't even given the chance to build the club (this situation is repeated at other clubs I am sure). But players have to recognise that they havent done anything special yet, they must be humble, and they have to lay the foundations for their career. They have to display more patience with their clubs, as we, I am sure, all strive to deliver results for them. Kudos to Uni for the approach on coaching they are taking on, and I hear they have accredited coaches there, and good coaches without FFA accreditation, but I dont agree with their recruitment, as I have said before. There is a lot wrong with the womens game, but honestly, I believe many issues stem from the players themselves, not just the coaches or clubs. Harsh view, some might argue, but I believe fair criticism.

[BlackBrian_7]

Fitz, end of the day Olympic wasn't offering the environment that these players were looking for.

Blaming everyone else is not going to let you put a team on the park.

[Fitz]

Fitz, end of the day Olympic wasn't offering the environment that these players were looking for.

Blaming everyone else is not going to let you put a team on the park.

Mate, believe me, I am my own biggest critic when it comes to my coaching, as its the only way I will improve.

Fact of the matter is-

Trials: 5 girls - no session conducted, just simple technical analysis using possession games, ball juggling etc.

Pre-season training: 6 girls (1 not eligible due to NTC commitments, but came anyway) = no training.

You tell me how I was supposed to provide the environment the girls were looking for, if they never gave us a chance to conduct a session? Paul Sortini (Head Coach) put in HOURS of work at meetings, on the phone (at his own expense) to even attempt to get girls to come to sessions, just to give us the chance to display what we knew would win them over. I can't fault Paul at all on his attempts to provide the right environment for the girls to succeed.

[scipio africanus]

any news about the meeting last night?

BUMP

[Fitz]

any news about the meeting last night?

BUMP

No news is good news hopefully.

[southern]

any news about the meeting last night?

BUMP

No news is good news hopefully.

There are no good news when FFSA is concerned!

I agree with ppl saying about retaining players. It's a shame about Olympic and Sturt. What Uni did is totally within the rules but it's an absolute shame for themselves. It's like wasting time when you are 1-0 up or faking a faul etc. It's "legal" to "fall" but are you worth any respect? I dunno.

They worked hard to get to the top level and as soon as they make the Prems what do they do? Go out and poach half a team...they will probably win the PL now (if Metro don't stop them) but what will they show? Just that they couldn't do it by themselves, with their own players that they supposedly "developed". Those same players that had been told "we'll make you good enough for the Premier League"....Sorry, but that's just bull**** just like the bull**** they told many of these new recruits.

Clubs should show more respect for themselves.

[BlackBrian_7]

There are no good news when FFSA is concerned!

I agree with ppl saying about retaining players. It's a shame about Olympic and Sturt. What Uni did is totally within the rules but it's an absolute shame for themselves. It's like wasting time when you are 1-0 up or faking a faul etc. It's "legal" to "fall" but are you worth any respect? I dunno.

They worked hard to get to the top level and as soon as they make the Prems what do they do? Go out and poach half a team...they will probably win the PL now (if Metro don't stop them) but what will they show? Just that they couldn't do it by themselves, with their own players that they supposedly "developed". Those same players that had been told "we'll make you good enough for the Premier League"....Sorry, but that's just bull**** just like the bull**** they told many of these new recruits.

Clubs should show more respect for themselves.

So let me get this straight, a club is being slated because they have shown ambition and recruited players when they got to the top league in womens football state because a few clubs can't get their shit together and put their team out.

No wonder why the womens game is a shambles in this state.

[Fitz]

There are no good news when FFSA is concerned!

I agree with ppl saying about retaining players. It's a shame about Olympic and Sturt. What Uni did is totally within the rules but it's an absolute shame for themselves. It's like wasting time when you are 1-0 up or faking a faul etc. It's "legal" to "fall" but are you worth any respect? I dunno.

They worked hard to get to the top level and as soon as they make the Prems what do they do? Go out and poach half a team...they will probably win the PL now (if Metro don't stop them) but what will they show? Just that they couldn't do it by themselves, with their own players that they supposedly "developed". Those same players that had been told "we'll make you good enough for the Premier League"....Sorry, but that's just bull**** just like the bull**** they told many of these new recruits.

Clubs should show more respect for themselves.

So let me get this straight, a club is being slated because they have shown ambition and recruited players when they got to the top league in womens football state because a few clubs can't get their cabernet together and put their team out.

No wonder why the womens game is a shambles in this state.

\

Have you ever been involved in womens football in this state? Its a whole different kettle of fish and a very delicate balance at clubs. I was very, very shocked after stepping into it. Come next year, half the players that are at Uni may be playing at different clubs again. We arent slating Uni recruiting players, just the way they went about it.

[M@rvin]

any news about the meeting last night?

Here is an email from FFSA, your chance to have a say:

Dear all
Following a meeting of the Elite Women’s Clubs, the Football Federation SA (FFSA) has compiled a questionnaire to be provided to all players that competed in the Women’s Open Age Divisions. To date the questionnaire has been sent out to all players that registered in 2011 and that provided an email address and also placed on the FFSA website. A number of the emails sent out to players has been returned either because the email address is not valid or the email box is full.

We would ask that clubs circulate this questionnaire to all of the players so that if players have been missed they will gain the information through their club. We thank you for your assistance.

The Football Federation SA needs your held to assist with the review of Women’s Football in Adelaide.

If you were involved in the Open Age Women’s Competitions in 2011 or had played previously, then we want your feedback. We ask that you click on to the link below and complete the questionnaire. It will only take a few minutes of your time to complete. As you will note this questionnaire is completely confidential, no names are required and the information is collated by a survey package.

Although it will only take a few minutes to complete the information that you provide will be invaluable and it provides you with an opportunity to shape the future of the competitions conducted in Adelaide. We want to know what you think as a stakeholder of our wonderful game.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z55Q3F3





Regards
Tracey Dycer
Women's Competition Coordinator
FOOTBALL FEDERATION SA

[scipio africanus]

There are no good news when FFSA is concerned!

I agree with ppl saying about retaining players. It's a shame about Olympic and Sturt. What Uni did is totally within the rules but it's an absolute shame for themselves. It's like wasting time when you are 1-0 up or faking a faul etc. It's "legal" to "fall" but are you worth any respect? I dunno.

They worked hard to get to the top level and as soon as they make the Prems what do they do? Go out and poach half a team...they will probably win the PL now (if Metro don't stop them) but what will they show? Just that they couldn't do it by themselves, with their own players that they supposedly "developed". Those same players that had been told "we'll make you good enough for the Premier League"....Sorry, but that's just bull**** just like the bull**** they told many of these new recruits.

Clubs should show more respect for themselves.

So let me get this straight, a club is being slated because they have shown ambition and recruited players when they got to the top league in womens football state because a few clubs can't get their cabernet together and put their team out.

No wonder why the womens game is a shambles in this state.

\

Have you ever been involved in womens football in this state? Its a whole different kettle of fish and a very delicate balance at clubs. I was very, very shocked after stepping into it. Come next year, half the players that are at Uni may be playing at different clubs again. We arent slating Uni recruiting players, just the way they went about it.

other clubs have pretty strong stability though Fitz in player retention. They may lose some players to the game, but don't often lose players en masse to other clubs.

[beaches]

There are no good news when FFSA is concerned!

I agree with ppl saying about retaining players. It's a shame about Olympic and Sturt. What Uni did is totally within the rules but it's an absolute shame for themselves. It's like wasting time when you are 1-0 up or faking a faul etc. It's "legal" to "fall" but are you worth any respect? I dunno.

They worked hard to get to the top level and as soon as they make the Prems what do they do? Go out and poach half a team...they will probably win the PL now (if Metro don't stop them) but what will they show? Just that they couldn't do it by themselves, with their own players that they supposedly "developed". Those same players that had been told "we'll make you good enough for the Premier League"....Sorry, but that's just bull**** just like the bull**** they told many of these new recruits.

Clubs should show more respect for themselves.

So let me get this straight, a club is being slated because they have shown ambition and recruited players when they got to the top league in womens football state because a few clubs can't get their cabernet together and put their team out.

No wonder why the womens game is a shambles in this state.

\

Have you ever been involved in womens football in this state? Its a whole different kettle of fish and a very delicate balance at clubs. I was very, very shocked after stepping into it. Come next year, half the players that are at Uni may be playing at different clubs again. We arent slating Uni recruiting players, just the way they went about it.

Interesting to find a number of players who are new this season to the club in question are originally from two clubs which are now struggling for numbers (Olympic and Sturt). A "quick fix" usually results in a "quick loss" - it has happend...

[John Cena]

any news about the meeting last night?

Here is an email from FFSA, your chance to have a say:

Dear all
Following a meeting of the Elite Women’s Clubs, the Football Federation SA (FFSA) has compiled a questionnaire to be provided to all players that competed in the Women’s Open Age Divisions. To date the questionnaire has been sent out to all players that registered in 2011 and that provided an email address and also placed on the FFSA website. A number of the emails sent out to players has been returned either because the email address is not valid or the email box is full.

We would ask that clubs circulate this questionnaire to all of the players so that if players have been missed they will gain the information through their club. We thank you for your assistance.

The Football Federation SA needs your held to assist with the review of Women’s Football in Adelaide.

If you were involved in the Open Age Women’s Competitions in 2011 or had played previously, then we want your feedback. We ask that you click on to the link below and complete the questionnaire. It will only take a few minutes of your time to complete. As you will note this questionnaire is completely confidential, no names are required and the information is collated by a survey package.

Although it will only take a few minutes to complete the information that you provide will be invaluable and it provides you with an opportunity to shape the future of the competitions conducted in Adelaide. We want to know what you think as a stakeholder of our wonderful game.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z55Q3F3





Regards
Tracey Dycer
Women's Competition Coordinator
FOOTBALL FEDERATION SA

3 seasons too late, there quick to respond to a crisis ,Im not involved any more in the game but heads must roll, you cant keep the same people at the helm that have murdered the game.thats just my opinion!

[funkypet]

Para Hills East Soccer Club have always fielded junior teams in U11, U13, U15 and U17s, not just one per age group. Our junior coaches have done an excellent job in developing the junior players.

Many of our girls have been selected in STIC only to be poached by the STIC coach to their club. By the time State selection is announced those players who originaly came from PHE have now registered with another club and they are listed as coming from the new club. The new club has done nothing to developed those players and no where is it written that PHE Soccer Club has put in the time.

PHE is looking for strong players to progress our senior women's teams into State/Res/Prems. We have worked hard on developing the juniors and would love to see them move through the levels to our senior teams.

I sympathise with these clubs that make it to the State League level only to be told its the road unless you can field a junior side. Well guys and girls PARA HILLS EAST SOCCER CLUB have the junior sides to back you up. If you want to make State League and above then come on down to Para Hills Oval on Wednesday and Friday nights from 6.30pm and support our clubs drive to also be successful in both JUNIOR and SENIOR Levels.

Contact head coach Enrique (Henry) Burnett via email enrique.burnett@defence.gov.au or mobile 0414 590 104

Club loyalty goes a long way and giving back goes even further.

[evens]

anyone know the truth has all the reserves and most of the 17s left fulham because netts was coaching.

[juniorsupporter]

Definitely sounds like a bogus rumor to me. Don't believe everything you hear. I think Fulham seems to be in a fairly strong position at the moment, going into preseason. But if any of us have learned anything about women's football, it's that change is the constant.

[beaches]

Sounds like Evens is coming out with many a rumor, or an axe to grind or at Odds with Fulham and their coaching staff for some reason.

[John Cena]

a survey also shouldve been sent to players that havent registered in the last 3 years, its no good asking the players that played last season, ask the people as well that didnt play on 2011 . ASK THE PLAYERS THAT ARE NOT PLAYING ANYMORE WHY!!!! FFS HOW DUMB CAN FFSA BE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the mistake was made when they stopped the reserves division ! please make some changes in personal, you guys are really embarrasing yourselves with the backyard aproach to the womans game

[batumgoesthedynamite]

anyone know the truth has all the reserves and most of the 17s left fulham because netts was coaching.

correct.

most girls were treated poorly, and with the coach - who did a great job leaving they are gone

[beaches]

For a start, Fulham are not in SHAMBLES. and should not be even mentioned in this topic.
Some players and PARENTS do not see eye to eye with coaches Nenita would be no orphan there.
2011 was a tough year to be Head Coach of Fulham. There were many factors Nenita had to consider. The clubs future was paramount to her, the club she loves and has for 10 years, that has been assured. She wanted the young players to be the best they can be, attitudes and intensity(work ethic) along with learning about the game. People get on this forum and say about players leaving the game, work and careers have a lot to do with that, Nenita had a balancing act there to with a couple of players, maybe upset a few parents and players there but some are not in year 12 yet, all these things come into play. Be interesting to see how the new Head Coach handles this aspect.
Nenita has always put her club first, then the players, then parents. She can leave on her new venture knowing the club and players are in good hands. All the best to Geoff and the players. Go the Meerkats. May the FORCE be with you.

[scipio africanus]

For a start, Fulham are not in SHAMBLES. and should not be even mentioned in this topic.
Some players and PARENTS do not see eye to eye with coaches Nenita would be no orphan there.
2011 was a tough year to be Head Coach of Fulham. There were many factors Nenita had to consider. The clubs future was paramount to her, the club she loves and has for 10 years, that has been assured. She wanted the young players to be the best they can be, attitudes and intensity(work ethic) along with learning about the game. People get on this forum and say about players leaving the game, work and careers have a lot to do with that, Nenita had a balancing act there to with a couple of players, maybe upset a few parents and players there but some are not in year 12 yet, all these things come into play. Be interesting to see how the new Head Coach handles this aspect.
Nenita has always put her club first, then the players, then parents. She can leave on her new venture knowing the club and players are in good hands. All the best to Geoff and the players. Go the Meerkats. May the FORCE be with you.

so is Geoff officially the new head coach?? I thought he was just assisting Nenita's coaching development???

[evens]

i can belive that it is very difficult to make every player and parent happy but for a entire team and half to leave and now you are saying shes left dosnt seem to me see did it for the interest of the club,but just handballed it to geoff and the fulham members to pick up the pieces,looks like she had a go saw it was too hard or didnt know how to cope with the players and parents and handed it over to someome who can do the job like other clubs out there who struggled or a in trouble it all starts from those who run the clubs and the decisions made from them on who they oppoint as coaches and the personell they pick,parents of kids with there own agendas on mine.

[mj#9]

i can belive that it is very difficult to make every player and parent happy but for a entire team and half to leave and now you are saying shes left dosnt seem to me see did it for the interest of the club,but just handballed it to geoff and the fulham members to pick up the pieces,looks like she had a go saw it was too hard or didnt know how to cope with the players and parents and handed it over to someome who can do the job like other clubs out there who struggled or a in trouble it all starts from those who run the clubs and the decisions made from them on who they oppoint as coaches and the personell they pick,parents of kids with there own agendas on mine.

Woa woa woa... no no evens... i dont know where your getting your information from but this post is absolutely rubbish!! I know for a FACT due to being a current Fulham squad member and veteran of the club and being present at all training sessions so far, i know that we have DEFINITELY NOT LOST an entire team and a half as you stated. We as a club thanks to Nenita, who i believe tried to set the right standard of how football should be played in the premier league, even with such a young and inexperienced side did wonders last year for her first year as Head Coach (Drew 2-2 with Metro in the last game of the season - work in progress). She still has a lot to learn but i feel as though she has and still is putting the club before anything or anyone first. I know how hard it was for her to leave Fulham and take up another fantastic coaching opportunity abroad, but she did everything in her power to find us the best and most suitable person to take over, and I think Fulham are very lucky and fortunate to have Geoff come on board. I know that we as a club have a full playing roster starting all the way from the top prems side to our youngest team of u11's. We cant take in anymore players. If she was soooooooooooo bad at what she did last year we should be folding like Olympic. Instead, I put this down to Nenita's hard work and her support of the FFSA and the direction the FFA want to head with the current national curriculum of how we should be playing football in this state. I believe that a lot of smart people took notice of this last year which is why Fulham have attracted players to the club!!

[juniorsupporter]

Well said MJ. I'm impressed by what Fulham has always been able to achieve. The club is certainly being proactive in the effort to ensure continuing growth and success. Hopefully they have a strong and committed committee. Geoff is a great addition and any young elite players who know him would play for him anytime. I hope the club keeps on the positive path. Haters gonna hate. Don't let them worry anyone.

[beaches]

Evens you are full of it. Your remarks are that far off the mark. "Handballed to Geoff", "Nenita finding the job to difficult and walking away". What a load of bollicks. mj9 gave you facts. So go sooky lala elsewhere. That is it.

[southern]

I thought that GH was "helping" at Fulham, not being the head coach. This really changes things.
Sorry but this is ridiculous. Nothing against the man or Fulham but you can't have a FFSA employee being head coach of a FFSA club!!! People were upset when WC and TJ were involved at Sturt, how's this different? He can be a good coach etc, but then he should coach with a FFSA squad (don't they have a few of those??!!). Maybe a junior team, but a Prem team is a joke. It just makes it an advantage for Fulham to have an "insider" at the helm, no matter that he is a decent guy. The only decent thing to do here is to re-think about it. This is just another way to create a lot of upset among clubs. Maybe some other clubs should have A. Andrioli or D. Edmondson coaching then. What a lot of shiraz....