Suarez verdict

[The Kop]

I'm actually quite surprised Dalglish hasn't already retired from management due to the stress caused over the Suarez race scandal.

Below the belt.
Even by your standards.....

[Stewie Griffin]

At last Liverpool have seen sense. At least that was the initial reaction when news broke that the club would not be appealing against the eight-match ban and £40,000 fine imposed on Luis Suárez for racially abusing Patrice Evra. What we soon learned, however, was that Liverpool had no intention of showing any contrition, Suárez would not be apologising and, in the eyes of the club, the Football Association is to blame for damaging the reputation of a man that was found to have used the word "negro" seven times.

The blind loyalty that Liverpool have shown towards Suárez throughout this sorry saga continues to shine through despite the verdict two weeks ago and the publication of a remarkable 115-page document, compiled by the FA's independent panel, that presented a compelling case against Suárez and, at the same time, highlighted the shambles that the Merseyside club had made of trying to defend the player.

Accepting the guilty verdict represented a chance to move on; instead Liverpool have poured fuel on the fire and thrown in a couple of sticks of dynamite for good measure. In Liverpool's statement, the FA and the three-man panel it selected is accused of constructing "a highly subjective case" against Suárez. There is also stinging criticism of the report, which is described as "clearly subjective" and, as a result, held responsible by Liverpool for tainting Suárez's image.

And then we come to Suárez, whose own statement screamed his innocence and flew in the face of everything the linguistic experts told the FA panel when they analysed what the player said to Evra at Anfield, the context in which it was said and how his comments would be interpreted in his homeland and beyond. The experts' conclusion, lest it be forgotten, was that Suárez's remarks would be "considered racially offensive in Uruguay and other regions in of Latin America".

The report pointed out that while this information was useful it "is the commission's task to decide whether the use of the word in England is abusive or insulting". Suárez, judging by his statement, has still not grasped this fundamental point and also conveniently ignored the acrimonious context in which he used the word "negro" when he disputed the findings of the language experts, Professor Peter Wade and Dr James Scorer.

"In my country, 'negro' is a word we use commonly, a word which doesn't show any lack of respect and is even less so a form of racist abuse," Suárez said. "Based on this, everything which has been said so far is totally false. I will carry out the suspension with the resignation of someone who hasn't done anything wrong and who feels extremely upset by the events."

This was merely in keeping with Liverpool's approach throughout, which has smacked of arrogance at times, no more so than when those ridiculous T-shirts supporting Suárez were worn at Wigan, and on other occasions raised questions about how seriously they took the issue.

We learn in the report that when Phil Dowd, the fourth official at Anfield, knocked on the home dressing room door shortly after the Manchester United match to ask Dalglish – who had been made aware of the allegations at this point – that Andre Marriner, the referee, needed to see him and Suárez in the officials' room, the Liverpool manager, alluding to the rules that are normally in place, "made a joke about having to wait 30 minutes before speaking to the referee." When Dalglish did eventually visit Marriner (without Suárez), his response to Evra's accusations was: "Hasn't he done this before?"

Liverpool should have spent less time worrying about discrediting Evra and more time getting their testimonies right. Suárez, after being asked the same question six times in the hearing, was forced to admit it was not true that he had pinched Evra to defuse the row, as he had claimed in his witness statement. Peter McCormick, Suárez's representative, tried to explain this confusion, that cast further doubt on the credibility of the player's evidence, on "bad drafting".

Every bit as bad was the moment in the report when we learn that Damien Comolli, the club's director of football, and Dirk Kuyt, the Liverpool midfielder, changed their statements after realising that Suárez had given a different account to them. It is cringeworthy reading Kuyt's attempt to deal with this discrepancy in his witness statement. "I am aware that LS will state in evidence that what he actually said in response to the remark from PE was (translated into English) "Why, black?" or "Why, negro?" and I am perfectly happy to accept that this is what he said. I may have misunderstood what he was saying or perhaps sought to interpret what he was saying as what I thought LS might have said when, in fact, it was not what he said."

Yet according to Liverpool's statement before the Manchester City game, the mistakes have been made by the commission rather than the Anfield club or Suárez. If Liverpool truly believed that was the case they would have appealed. Instead they took the sensible decision before pressing the self-destruct button. Again.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012 ... CMP=twt_gu

[God is an Englishman]

The guardian is pretty good for sport but it has a left wing agenda, which clearly shines through here.

[El Capitano]

I'm actually quite suprised ferguson hasn't retired yet due to being a a blind alcoholic. What's your point?

Not your best effort.

[God is an Englishman]

I'm actually quite suprised ferguson hasn't retired yet due to being a a blind alcoholic. What's your point?

Not your best effort.

well he never sees his team do wrong, so he must be blind.

Clearly an alcy, the red nose is the give away.

[barcabarcabarca]

he is scot why bother look at red nose

[totsreds08]

It is a pathetic scenario now. After making a decision that Suarez used negro in a racial way with no third party/video footage that confirms it, it'll make way for more of these cases to come up. It's just stupid though. You can't make a decision based on evra's body language

[vertu1]

it's no surprise that liverpool think players should be able to racially abuse other players and get off scot free
after all , it would hardly affect them would it , especially if GJ was out injured...

[The Kop]

Are you el diaz's protege or mentor?

[sometalent]

Luis' first game back if we win this weekends FA cup tie will be tottenham @ home then we face United away. I sincerely hope he shows his class and strength that day and takes the piss against united and in particular, Evra himself.

[God is an Englishman]

I still don't understand how calling someone black is racist?

[the fink]

I still don't understand how calling someone black is racist?

someone said i had a great tan the other day so i smashed his face in

[Nice One Cyril]

I still don't understand how calling someone black is racist?

That's because you don't read the Guardian

[BlackBrian_7]

If someone calls you white is that racist or alternately if you refer to someone with red hair as a Ranga is that racist?

[God is an Englishman]

If someone calls you white is that racist or alternately if you refer to someone with red hair as a Ranga is that racist?

Don't be silly, we all know racism only happens to one race. Which is racism in itself.

A game last year one of their players called someone a fat ranga, then had a cry when he was called a wog - demanding the bloke got sent off.

[Facts and Stats]

One of my all time favourite players (honestly) was Jan Molby.

When he played a bad ball (rare I know) I may haved shouted at him 'Jan that was useless you fat Ididot!' I would not get into any troublefor that.

If I said to Paul Ince, 'that was usleess you black Idiot' - I could arrested. Is there really any difference?

If I said to Jan 'that was useless you fat Danish idiot'...I think I would have been OK too.

[vertu1]

One of my all time favourite players (honestly) was Jan Molby.

When he played a bad ball (rare I know) I may haved shouted at him 'Jan that was useless you fat Ididot!' I would not get into any troublefor that.

If I said to Paul Ince, 'that was usleess you black Idiot' - I could arrested. Is there really any difference?

If I said to Jan 'that was useless you fat Danish idiot'...I think I would have been OK too.

If you said to Paul Ince, 'that was usless you fat English Idiot' - no problem
If you said to Paul Ince, 'that was usless you fat English black Idiot' - problem
If you said to Jan 'that was useless you fat Danish idiot'...- no problem

it's quite simple for most of us non Liverpool supporters to understand
being a Liverpool supporter apparently renders oneself unable to comprehend what qualifies as a racist remark
here is a clue, it might have something to do with the word "black" , in whatever language

[BTAC]

One of my all time favourite players (honestly) was Jan Molby.

When he played a bad ball (rare I know) I may haved shouted at him 'Jan that was useless you fat Ididot!' I would not get into any troublefor that.

If I said to Paul Ince, 'that was usleess you black Idiot' - I could arrested. Is there really any difference?

If I said to Jan 'that was useless you fat Danish idiot'...I think I would have been OK too.

If you said to Paul Ince, 'that was usless you fat English Idiot' - no problem
If you said to Paul Ince, 'that was usless you fat English black Idiot' - problem
If you said to Jan 'that was useless you fat Danish idiot'...- no problem

it's quite simple for most of us non Liverpool supporters to understand
being a Liverpool supporter apparently renders oneself unable to comprehend what qualifies as a racist remark
here is a clue, it might have something to do with the word "black" , in whatever language

So calling someone something with black as an adjective is not okay, but calling someone something with white as an adjective is fine?

[Mad Twatter]

So calling someone something with black as an adjective is not okay, but calling someone something with white as an adjective is fine?

Silly Cracker.

[Facts and Stats]

One of my all time favourite players (honestly) was Jan Molby.

When he played a bad ball (rare I know) I may haved shouted at him 'Jan that was useless you fat Ididot!' I would not get into any troublefor that.

If I said to Paul Ince, 'that was usleess you black Idiot' - I could arrested. Is there really any difference?

If I said to Jan 'that was useless you fat Danish idiot'...I think I would have been OK too.

If you said to Paul Ince, 'that was usless you fat English Idiot' - no problem
If you said to Paul Ince, 'that was usless you fat English black Idiot' - problem
If you said to Jan 'that was useless you fat Danish idiot'...- no problem

it's quite simple for most of us non Liverpool supporters to understand
being a Liverpool supporter apparently renders oneself unable to comprehend what qualifies as a racist remark
here is a clue, it might have something to do with the word "black" , in whatever language

Why is calling someone fat so much worse than black?

If I was obese and was constantly taunted by it, it could easily lead to depression and suicide. All forms of abuse are wrong, colour, size, religion etc, there should be no differentiation.

[BTAC]

So calling someone something with black as an adjective is not okay, but calling someone something with white as an adjective is fine?

Silly Cracker.

Settle down Madison.

[The Kop]

Any guesses who said this?

'The similarities are that the boy has great courage, he wants to play all the time. He has incredible stamina.

'These are added extras to the talent he has. Brazilian? Well, if you look at Pele, for instance, he was a very aggressive attacker who could also look after himself. So can Rooney.

'They have similarities that way. Strength, speed, determination. But Wayne's white, completely white.'

[God is an Englishman]

One of my all time favourite players (honestly) was Jan Molby.

When he played a bad ball (rare I know) I may haved shouted at him 'Jan that was useless you fat Ididot!' I would not get into any troublefor that.

If I said to Paul Ince, 'that was usleess you black Idiot' - I could arrested. Is there really any difference?

If I said to Jan 'that was useless you fat Danish idiot'...I think I would have been OK too.

If you said to Paul Ince, 'that was usless you fat English Idiot' - no problem
If you said to Paul Ince, 'that was usless you fat English black Idiot' - problem
If you said to Jan 'that was useless you fat Danish idiot'...- no problem

it's quite simple for most of us non Liverpool supporters to understand
being a Liverpool supporter apparently renders oneself unable to comprehend what qualifies as a racist remark
here is a clue, it might have something to do with the word "black" , in whatever language

I'm not a liverpool fan (not by any stretch) and I don't understand. Calling someone black is a descriptive word, same as ginger, fat, bald etc..

I will openly admit that I have stood on the terraces and also whilst playing called someone a black cunt, an aussie cunt, a fat cunt, an old cunt, a Northern cunt, an ugly cunt. Why is one of them so much worse than all the others? It's just a descriptive word, you pick on the thing that makes that person different to the rest to describe him.

[Facts and Stats]

You and I can't agree on a thread re a Liverpool player can we......

[bapa]

7 more games without mr buckteeth.......


That's ok, u have that 35million donkey to score goals for u

[BTAC]

Blackburn Rovers.........

[vertu1]

One of my all time favourite players (honestly) was Jan Molby.

When he played a bad ball (rare I know) I may haved shouted at him 'Jan that was useless you fat Ididot!' I would not get into any troublefor that.

If I said to Paul Ince, 'that was usleess you black Idiot' - I could arrested. Is there really any difference?

If I said to Jan 'that was useless you fat Danish idiot'...I think I would have been OK too.

If you said to Paul Ince, 'that was usless you fat English Idiot' - no problem
If you said to Paul Ince, 'that was usless you fat English black Idiot' - problem
If you said to Jan 'that was useless you fat Danish idiot'...- no problem

it's quite simple for most of us non Liverpool supporters to understand
being a Liverpool supporter apparently renders oneself unable to comprehend what qualifies as a racist remark
here is a clue, it might have something to do with the word "black" , in whatever language

I'm not a liverpool fan (not by any stretch) and I don't understand. Calling someone black is a descriptive word, same as ginger, fat, bald etc..

I will openly admit that I have stood on the terraces and also whilst playing called someone a black champagne, an aussie champagne, a fat champagne, an old champagne, a Northern champagne, an ugly champagne. Why is one of them so much worse than all the others? It's just a descriptive word, you pick on the thing that makes that person different to the rest to describe him.

because Aussies (although if you had your way), old people , northern people, ugly people have not been systematically enslaved en masse and openly treated as sub human by multiple societies for hundreds or even thousands of years just because of those particular traits

black people on the other hand......

and can we stop comparing aussies or Danes or English to racism
"countryism" and racism are two entirely different things

[God is an Englishman]

because Aussies (although if you had your way), old people , northern people, ugly people have not been systematically enslaved en masse and openly treated as sub human by multiple societies for hundreds or even thousands of years just because of those particular traits

black people on the other hand......

and can we stop comparing aussies or Danes or English to racism
"countryism" and racism are two entirely different things

Did I do any of that? NO! Did it happen to them? NO! How many more years should we apologise for something beyond our countrol that didn't even happen to them personally?

So why should I treat them differently to anyone else, if I did so then I would be racist.

[Facts and Stats]

If i constantly called an American a septic they would get as annoyed as me calling Ince a negro.

Its not all about colour.

[Bomber]

7 more games without mr buckteeth.......


That's ok, u have that 35million donkey to score goals for u

..........and you have Evans..........oh, hang on, which way are we kicking this half?