Suarez verdict

[God is an Englishman]

Ian wright has come out an said be thinks the ban is harsh given there is no evidence. I wonder how that makes some forumites feel?

It's makes me feel terrible to be honest. If I'd have known how Ian Wright felt on the matter I wouldn't have said the things I've said. I'm sure other forumites are probably feeling a bit sheepish also.

[BTAC]

PREVARICATE = to speak falsely or to mislead. Deliberately mis-state or create an incorrect impression. Lie. Ironically it is also an anagram of Patrice Evra.

[Bomber]

I'm a white cunt, polack dogger. Ban me for 8 (for telling the truth). Rest is irrelevant unless you area do-gooder hypocrite...........enter Evra..............

[gaizka_mendieta]

Considering Suarez has been in England for a while, Is it worthwhile to ask if he's ever used the term to any of the numerous black people/players he would have encountered? would any of them be willing to come out and say that he's used the word and that they took it as a term of endearment? If it's not a word he uses often with black ppl he encounters,why then would he use it on football pitch if his intentions were genuine? like some forumites have alluded to; sometimes it's not what you say but how you say it.

[totsreds08]

Considering Suarez has been in England for a while, Is it worthwhile to ask if he's ever used the term to any of the numerous black people/players he would have encountered? would any of them be willing to come out and say that he's used the word and that they took it as a term of endearment? If it's not a word he uses often with black ppl he encounters,why then would he use it on football pitch if his intentions were genuine? like some forumites have alluded to; sometimes it's not what you say but how you say it.

So because he has lived in England for a year, means he understands everything of the langauge and culture? Nobody will know how he meant it especially as the shit fa won't release any information on the case

[Red-4-Life]

i dont understand how the FA came to this conclusion based on no evidence from anyone??? If the referee heard something then fair enough but only Evra heard something. I am against racism 100% in football as there is no place for it, but how this decision was made is a joke.

[Nice One Cyril]

i dont understand how the FA came to this conclusion based on no evidence from anyone??? If the referee heard something then fair enough but only Evra heard something. I am against racism 100% in football as there is no place for it, but how this decision was made is a joke.

From what I understand, nobody heard (or will admit to hearing) anything but Suarez has admitted to saying things that he (Suarez) doesn't consider racist. Obviously the commission disagree.

I'm not defending racism at all but I do think, if you're looking to find offence, you'll find it anywhere.

[bapa]

PREVARICATE = to speak falsely or to mislead. Deliberately mis-state or create an incorrect impression. Lie. Ironically it is also an anagram of Patrice Evra.

Keep digging........

[hero2zero]

i dont understand how the FA came to this conclusion based on no evidence from anyone??? If the referee heard something then fair enough but only Evra heard something. I am against racism 100% in football as there is no place for it, but how this decision was made is a joke.

From what I understand, nobody heard (or will admit to hearing) anything but Suarez has admitted to saying things that he (Suarez) doesn't consider racist. Obviously the commission disagree.

I'm not defending racism at all but I do think, if you're looking to find offence, you'll find it anywhere.

Exactly, he admitted saying the words, but he said in a nice way. The only problem with that is they were having a go at each most of the game and therefore I would assume the tribunal took it as an offensive act.

Also he is not being banned for being a racist, he is being banned for racially abusing Evra. A big difference.

[bapa]

Seriously, at those who think Suarez didn't know that what he said COULD B construed as racist!
Every professional footballer would of been told of what is considered ethically correct and racism is something that many prof footballers would of been told about.
And to think that Suarez is half black (as been gold on here), HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER!

End of the day, FFA is making an example of Suarez and stamping their authority on Racism.
Personally, he was dealt with too harsh, but this ruling, if proved correct, could lead a dangerous precedent to future Racism claims.
I still believe that a fine and a severe talking to with an apology to Evra would of been adequate

But I don't think the FFA wont to take a light hearted look at racism
Racism is a very disrespectful thing to be subjected to, and until u face it urself, naive comments are must that!

[BTAC]

PREVARICATE = to speak falsely or to mislead. Deliberately mis-state or create an incorrect impression. Lie. Ironically it is also an anagram of Patrice Evra.

Keep digging........

I don't dig. Bad back.

[Le King]

Sir Alex had this to say

commission] found the right decision.

"This wasn't about Manchester United and Liverpool at all. It was nothing to do with that. This was an individual situation where one person was racially abused."

Ferguson indicated his feeling that Liverpool will have to accept the punishment, as Evra did when handed a four-match ban in 2008 when involved in an incident with Chelsea groundsman Sam Bethell.

"Patrice got that suspension for the incident down at Chelsea when no-one was there - just a groundsman and our fitness coach," he said. "He got a four-match ban and we had to wait two weeks for the evidence to come through.
"We were quite astounded at that. A four-match ban? We thought it was well over the top for a trivial incident, but it happened and there's nothing you can do about it, you know."

[sephiroth]

Both journalists below I think make very good points. Suarez was the unfortunate one made an example of. Evra should be charged by the FA too, IMO. Also, why haven't the police subsequently charged Suarez?


Paul Barclay in The Times:

Re Suarez: if you were in Saudi and got arrested for swigging whisky in public, would you be able to get off citing "cultural differences"?

Oliver Holt in The Mirror:

Understand feelings of LFC fans but this is bigger than allegiance to a club. It's about statement that racist language not acceptable here

[totsreds08]

If Suarez said negrito which isn't a word used in the English, It can't be considered racist because it doesn't get used in the England. If he said negro, fair enough but it's just stupid saying negrito is a racist word

[sephiroth]

if i went to Africa and called a black person a n*gger as a term of endearment, which isn't a word used in the majority of languages spoken in Africa, would I be saying something racist?

[gaizka_mendieta]

if i went to Africa and called a black person a n*gger as a term of endearment, which isn't a word used in the majority of languages spoken in Africa, would I be saying something racist?

Depends on whether you are black yourself.

[BrickTop]

if i went to Africa and called a black person a n*gger as a term of endearment, which isn't a word used in the majority of languages spoken in Africa, would I be saying something racist?

Yes, because you know it is racist.

Case here is that Suarez doesn't see what he says as racist. If I called a black person the N words, I would instantly know I was being racist whether they understood me or not.

[10]

Probably best to reserve any further judgement until the Fck Asses release the commission findings/reasons

[sephiroth]

if i went to Africa and called a black person a n*gger as a term of endearment, which isn't a word used in the majority of languages spoken in Africa, would I be saying something racist?

Yes, because you know it is racist.

Case here is that Suarez doesn't see what he says as racist. If I called a black person the N words, I would instantly know I was being racist whether they understood me or not.

Hold up, if you don't know you're being racist, it's ok to be racist?

You think the idiots who did the 'blackface' on Hey Hey It's Saturday knew they were being racist?

[sephiroth]

Les Murray -

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/les-murr ... s-a-racist
Liverpool FC got into a bit of a tizz over Luis Suarez getting an eight-match ban for racism. It WILL get over it.
Liverpool has had it worse than this, such as when having to cope with its five-year expulsion from Europe after the Heysel tragedy.

Not to say Hillsborough and its carnage in 1989.

In fact, far from being in a tizz, Liverpool should not only condone the punishment as a measure of faith to the traditions of a noble football club, but should feel proud to be part of a football culture that is taking, it seems, some kind of international lead on not tolerating racism in the game.

England has some form in occasional forward thinking that surpasses and pre-empts the game’s most innovative thinkers (including any of those who may reside in Zurich).

It was the English who introduced three-points-for-a-win long before FIFA made it global and it was they who first punished with a red card the so-called professional foul, when, as a last resort, the last defending player brings down an attacker poised to score. At first FIFA balked at the English impertinence for bending the rules but quickly buckled and made it mandatory everywhere.

Now, I suspect, it is the English who will lead the way in stamping out on-field racism and before long FIFA will fall into line.

With Sepp Blatter’s oafish remarks about there being no on-field racism in football still ringing in the ears, Suarez cops an eight-match ban for it. Oh the irony. And the John Terry case is still to come.

Of course, Suarez continues to deny he has been racist and is appealing the sentence. His defence is predicated on the solitary claim that the name by which he called Patrice Evra, ‘negrito’ (little negro), is not a racist term in his native Uruguay.

This needs to be straightened out from the start.

It is a fact that in many parts of South America calling someone by a label that refers to their skin colour can often be, far from derogatory, a term of endearment.

I have personal experience in this.

My better half is Brazilian, with physical features that attest to an African racial heritage. From mixed parentage, she has olive skin such as you would find with a native of southern Europe or north Africa (she’s often asked if she’s Moroccan).

Soon after I met her we went for an outing to a Brazilian club in Sydney where one of her kinfolk, a big lad half snozzled on caiparinha, called her a ‘morena’.

I asked her: ‘What did he call you?’

‘Morena,’ she said.

‘What’s that?’

‘It’s a reference to my skin colour.’

‘So why didn’t you slap him in the face?’

‘What? Why should I have done that?’

‘Because, plainly, the man’s a racist skunk.’

‘No he’s not,’ she retorted. ‘What he actually said was, hey morena, you’re a truly beautiful woman, did you know that?’

I rested my case. It’s difficult to slap someone in the face after he calls you beautiful. Especially if you’re a woman. And I couldn’t bring my sense of chivalry to the point of smacking him given that he was about eight foot tall and had all the physical attributes of Junior Baiano.

I later learned that Brazilians make a big habit of affectionately labelling people according to their skin colour, physical appearance and, of course, the region from which they hail.

For instance if your skin is white and you have blond hair, there’s a good chance of you being nicknamed ‘alemao’, which means German in Portuguese.

Garrincha used to give affection to his celebrated wife, the singer Elsa Soares, by calling her ‘criula’, a reference to her skin colour. She’s black.

On referring the Suarez claim of innocence to a number of Uruguayans, I was told that indeed ‘negrito’ can be a term of endearment in that country.

One, a senior Uruguayan broadcaster whom I’ve known for 20 years, said: ‘In Uruguay it’s very common to use negrito as a term of endearment. This, for example, is the way I call my son. It’s very common for you to call your wife, negrita. Now, that depends on how you use it of course, of the context.’

Ok, so here’s the thing.

It’s not the term itself but the way and with what intent you use it. And, I am also told by my better half, it also depends on to whom you use it and under what circumstances.

You cannot, for example, do it to someone you have never met. And if you happen to be white and call a black man a ‘negrito’ in a derogative or even dismissive way, you are likely to cop a foot in the testicles, even in South America.

This is what rules out the suggestion, on which Suarez relies for his defence, that he was being nice or somehow chummy to Evra when he called him a ‘negrito, at least 10 times according to Evra.

It is doubtful if the exchange was in the context of, say, ‘Hey negrito, see you at my barbecue tomorrow.’ Or maybe, ‘By the way, negrito old chum, I’m in Paris on Wednesday. Can you recommend a good restaurant?’

I’ll leave it to you to figure out the only possible alternative context in which Suarez called Evra a ‘little negro’, addressing an opponent during a highly charged, highly competitive football match.

I’m pretty sure, in fact somewhere around 99.99 per cent certain, it could only have been a piece of blatantly racist sledging. Suarez deserves everything he gets.
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[BrickTop]

if i went to Africa and called a black person a n*gger as a term of endearment, which isn't a word used in the majority of languages spoken in Africa, would I be saying something racist?

Yes, because you know it is racist.

Case here is that Suarez doesn't see what he says as racist. If I called a black person the N words, I would instantly know I was being racist whether they understood me or not.

Hold up, if you don't know you're being racist, it's ok to be racist?

You think the idiots who did the 'blackface' on Hey Hey It's Saturday knew they were being racist?

You're taking my comments completely out of context. The problem with Suarez is 'lost in translation'. What he said is perfectly acceptable in his country, obviously he didn't know what he was saying was racist. He has admitted this in the hearing, he called him a word which is perfectly acceptable and widely used in his country, yet is taken in a different way when 'translated' into English.

[sephiroth]

saying pom is perfectly acceptable in this country...

[BrickTop]

saying pom is perfectly acceptable in this country...

...your point?

[Big Mac]

Almost like the lack of Englishmen in the cricket team!

Almost like the lack of Englishmen in ENGLAND.

[Just Dave now]

Never ceases to amaze when people claim to be proud to be black, or whatever, then soon as you describe them as such, there's backlash. Hypocrisy, double standards, call it what you like. Why is it I as a white person, can be called any name under the sun, including a white c**t, yet I have no recourse? Or is it possible that I am comfortable with being white, but if I go on about being proud to be white, I will be labelled a racist or the very least, an extremist? The sooner all colours, black, yellow and white can stop getting in a huff anytime there is reference to a natural pigment contained within the human skin, the sooner we can all get along and no-one will bother to even use such terminologies.

[sephiroth]

have to pay 2 quid to access The Times online but this article has been reproduced on a blog and is from a Liverpool-supporting editor.

http://juanmanandhisdug.wordpress.com/2 ... the-times/

[The Kop]

Suárez may not have had any racist intent but the Hispanic subtleties were lost on Evra. They’d be lost on most in Britain.

Evra began the conversation in Spanish. He cries wolf because he couldn't understand the semantics of the language. Seems he understood the Hispanic subtelties of the word Sudaca though and the angst from South Americans towards Spaniards.

Essentially, we have a black Frenchman insulting a half-black Uruguayan in his non-native tongue Spanish and gets a reply in which one word in the conversation has been translated to the English literal meaning. The intent to racially abuse overseen by an independent panel of Englishmen.

Go figure.....

[totsreds08]

have to pay 2 quid to access The Times online but this article has been reproduced on a blog and is from a Liverpool-supporting editor.

http://juanmanandhisdug.wordpress.com/2 ... the-times/

What a shit article. They would like to thank you for the donation.

[Derek]

People still contributing to this boring topic!?

[totsreds08]

People still contributing to this boring topic!?

No