Suarez verdict

[LFTWNG11]

I really believe that they are setting a precedent (which was mentioned by previous posters) that for local players, one thing is acceptable, yet for foreigners, it is completely different (unless they play for ManU).

If they don't like it, they can feel free to shiraz off back to their own countries. SIMPLE!!

There wouldn't be so many foreigners in the EPL if the English could actually produce more than 3 or 4 top class players. You do realise English clubs pay 10's of millions of pounds to bring these players to your shitty little island?

[God is an Englishman]

I really believe that they are setting a precedent (which was mentioned by previous posters) that for local players, one thing is acceptable, yet for foreigners, it is completely different (unless they play for ManU).

If they don't like it, they can feel free to shiraz off back to their own countries. SIMPLE!!

There wouldn't be so many foreigners in the EPL if the English could actually produce more than 3 or 4 top class players. You do realise English clubs pay 10's of millions of pounds to bring these players to your shitty little island?

Our shitty island? We don't send them to australia.

Might be more to do with the fact that the money that is in the game now. There's approximately 600 premiership players plying their trade. Even I'm not biased enough to think the best 600 players in the world are English. The top 400 maybe, but clearly not 600.

[LFTWNG11]

Our shitty island? We don't send them to australia.

Might be more to do with the fact that the money that is in the game now. There's approximately 600 premiership players plying their trade. Even I'm not biased enough to think the best 600 players in the world are English. The top 400 maybe, but clearly not 600.

[The Kop]

The FA’s decision?...we acknowledge you’re not a racist but charge you with racial abuse. Bit like charging someone with murder but not calling them a murderer.
Either he is a racist and he engaged in racial abuse. Or he isn’t a racist and didn’t racially abuse.

Sumptuous act of fence sitting in the actual wording of the FA’s verdict.

Making a racist comment doesn't make you a racist though. I call the bloke next to me at work a greek champagne all the time, that's a racist comment but I'm not racist.

What does he call you back?
I might have to give him some ammunition! haha

[Fitz]

Might be more to do with the fact that the money that is in the game now. There's approximately 600 premiership players plying their trade. Even I'm not biased enough to think the best 600 players in the world are English. The top 400 maybe, but clearly not 600.

oh dear me what a laugh

[Bomber]

Might be more to do with the fact that the money that is in the game now. There's approximately 600 premiership players plying their trade. Even I'm not biased enough to think the best 600 players in the world are English. The top 400 maybe, but clearly not 600.

oh dear me what a laugh

Silly me. I never knew England won the last 5 or 6 of the last 8 World cups and Euro championships. They would have to have done if the above statement was true?

[BlackBrian_7]

Might be more to do with the fact that the money that is in the game now. There's approximately 600 premiership players plying their trade. Even I'm not biased enough to think the best 600 players in the world are English. The top 400 maybe, but clearly not 600.

oh dear me what a laugh

Silly me. I never knew England won the last 5 or 6 of the last 8 World cups and Euro championships. They would have to have done if the above statement was true?

The funny thing is that there probably isn't even 400 englishmen playing in the premier league!

[Bomber]

Almost like the lack of Englishmen in the cricket team!

[Nice One Cyril]

The FA’s decision?...we acknowledge you’re not a racist but charge you with racial abuse. Bit like charging someone with murder but not calling them a murderer.
Either he is a racist and he engaged in racial abuse. Or he isn’t a racist and didn’t racially abuse.

Sumptuous act of fence sitting in the actual wording of the FA’s verdict.

Not the FA's decision though. It's an independent commission.

[Mato]

The FA’s decision?...we acknowledge you’re not a racist but charge you with racial abuse. Bit like charging someone with murder but not calling them a murderer.
Either he is a racist and he engaged in racial abuse. Or he isn’t a racist and didn’t racially abuse.

Sumptuous act of fence sitting in the actual wording of the FA’s verdict.

Its true, people can use racist terms without actually being racist (i do... alot).

But maybe the FA is making the point that athletes being watched by millions of people should be more careful with what they say? And the 8 games is probably, as has already been discussed, to make an example of Suarez.

Following all this I hope JT gets owned now, 8 games plus+++. That is, if equity is enforced.

[Litmanen]

The FA’s decision?...we acknowledge you’re not a racist but charge you with racial abuse. Bit like charging someone with murder but not calling them a murderer.
Either he is a racist and he engaged in racial abuse. Or he isn’t a racist and didn’t racially abuse.

Sumptuous act of fence sitting in the actual wording of the FA’s verdict.

Its true, people can use racist terms without actually being racist (i do... alot).

But maybe the FA is making the point that athletes being watched by millions of people should be more careful with what they say? And the 8 games is probably, as has already been discussed, to make an example of Suarez.

Following all this I hope JT gets owned now, 8 games plus+++. That is, if equity is enforced.

In reality neither of them should, once the appeal goes through it'll be interesting to see what happens. I think until that does occur, all this talk is based on a sentence that was set intentionally too high so that a successful appeal makes it seem like it lessens the blow.

[coutinho10]

Shitty little island you continue to live on.
Don't give up your day job cause your
jokes are like David letterman's
RECYCLED

[Jimbob]

"Liverpool fans have revealed their disappointment after the Football Association handed Andy Carroll an eight-match run in the starting eleven because Luis Suarez was found guilty of racially abusing Manchester United’s Patrice Evra.

Carroll, who cost the club around ten times his actual value, has made the majority of his appearances from the subs bench, but with Suarez suspended he could be handed the opportunity to be completely ineffectual right from the start of the next eight fixtures.

The club, who currently sit sixth in the Premier League, released a statement expressing their disappointment with the FA’s decision.

“Liverpool Football Club is very surprised and disappointed with the decision of the Football Association commission to allow Andy Carroll such a large amount of time on the pitch.”

“Kenny likes to use Andy as a non-impact sub, but this unprecedented decision could see games passing Andy by for the full ninety minutes, rather than just the last fifteen.”

Luis Suarez banned
Critics of the decision have insisted that being forced to play Andy Carroll for what could amount to two months is a punishment that simply does not fit the crime.

“It’s not like Suarez killed anyone, is it? If he had, I could sort of understand such draconian measures,” said fan Simon Matthews.

The club are currently considering an appeal, but are wary of further sanctions after rumours appeared suggesting a lost appeal could result in the FA forcing the club to re-sign David N’Gog or Emily Heskey and play them instead."

[Nice One Cyril]

"Liverpool fans have revealed their disappointment after the Football Association handed Andy Carroll an eight-match run in the starting eleven because Luis Suarez was found guilty of racially abusing Manchester United’s Patrice Evra.

Carroll, who cost the club around ten times his actual value, has made the majority of his appearances from the subs bench, but with Suarez suspended he could be handed the opportunity to be completely ineffectual right from the start of the next eight fixtures.

The club, who currently sit sixth in the Premier League, released a statement expressing their disappointment with the FA’s decision.

“Liverpool Football Club is very surprised and disappointed with the decision of the Football Association commission to allow Andy Carroll such a large amount of time on the pitch.”

“Kenny likes to use Andy as a non-impact sub, but this unprecedented decision could see games passing Andy by for the full ninety minutes, rather than just the last fifteen.”

Luis Suarez banned
Critics of the decision have insisted that being forced to play Andy Carroll for what could amount to two months is a punishment that simply does not fit the crime.

“It’s not like Suarez killed anyone, is it? If he had, I could sort of understand such draconian measures,” said fan Simon Matthews.

The club are currently considering an appeal, but are wary of further sanctions after rumours appeared suggesting a lost appeal could result in the FA forcing the club to re-sign David N’Gog or Emily Heskey and play them instead."

[hero2zero]

To the posters saying 8 games is to much of a penalty, what do you think he deserves for calling someone by a racist remark?

Is there a precedent for this? If not this is setting a standard from now on.

[BrickTop]

"Liverpool fans have revealed their disappointment after the Football Association handed Andy Carroll an eight-match run in the starting eleven because Luis Suarez was found guilty of racially abusing Manchester United’s Patrice Evra.

Carroll, who cost the club around ten times his actual value, has made the majority of his appearances from the subs bench, but with Suarez suspended he could be handed the opportunity to be completely ineffectual right from the start of the next eight fixtures.

The club, who currently sit sixth in the Premier League, released a statement expressing their disappointment with the FA’s decision.

“Liverpool Football Club is very surprised and disappointed with the decision of the Football Association commission to allow Andy Carroll such a large amount of time on the pitch.”

“Kenny likes to use Andy as a non-impact sub, but this unprecedented decision could see games passing Andy by for the full ninety minutes, rather than just the last fifteen.”

Luis Suarez banned
Critics of the decision have insisted that being forced to play Andy Carroll for what could amount to two months is a punishment that simply does not fit the crime.

“It’s not like Suarez killed anyone, is it? If he had, I could sort of understand such draconian measures,” said fan Simon Matthews.

The club are currently considering an appeal, but are wary of further sanctions after rumours appeared suggesting a lost appeal could result in the FA forcing the club to re-sign David N’Gog or Emily Heskey and play them instead."

Hahaha that's great.

[BrickTop]

To the posters saying 8 games is to much of a penalty, what do you think he deserves for calling someone by a racist remark?

Is there a precedent for this? If not this is setting a standard from now on.

I don't mind if it is 8 games, but only if everyone else who does it gets 8 games. Guarantee you they won't.

[Nice One Cyril]

At least JT's in the shit as well:

Alison Saunders, chief crown prosecutor for London, said: "I have today advised the Metropolitan Police that John Terry should be prosecuted for a racially aggravated public order offence.

"After careful consideration of all the evidence, I am satisfied there is sufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction and it is in the public interest to prosecute this case."

[The Kop]

At least JT's in the cabernet as well:

Alison Saunders, chief crown prosecutor for London, said: "I have today advised the Metropolitan Police that John Terry should be prosecuted for a racially aggravated public order offence.

"After careful consideration of all the evidence, I am satisfied there is sufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction and it is in the public interest to prosecute this case."

For which the max punishment is 2500 quid!

IMHO, then FA will absolve themselves of the situation and say Metro Police have charged, found him guilty and dished out the max penalty. We’re satisfied with that.

[God is an Englishman]

At least JT's in the cabernet as well:

Alison Saunders, chief crown prosecutor for London, said: "I have today advised the Metropolitan Police that John Terry should be prosecuted for a racially aggravated public order offence.

"After careful consideration of all the evidence, I am satisfied there is sufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction and it is in the public interest to prosecute this case."

For which the max punishment is 2500 quid!

IMHO, then FA will absolve themselves of the situation and say Metro Police have charged, found him guilty and dished out the max penalty. We’re satisfied with that.

Are you sure that's the maximum fine, I thought it carried a max of prison time.

I agree though, the FA won't/shouldn't touch this now.

[Le King]

a team with 11 suarez couldnt even beat wigan....

[God is an Englishman]

the bloke down the pub told me this

Racially or religiously aggravated public order offences

Fear or provocation of violence and intentional harassment, alarm or distress

Section 31(1)(a) creates the distinct offence of racially or religiously aggravated fear or provocation of violence. A person is guilty of this offence if he commits an offence under section 4 of the Public Order Act 1986 (see fear or provocation of violence) which is racially or religiously aggravated within the meaning of section 28.

Section 31(1)(b) creates the distinct offence of racially or religiously aggravated intentional harassment, alarm or distress. A person is guilty of this offence if he commits an offence under section 4A of the Public Order Act 1986 (see intentional harassment, alarm or distress) which is racially or religiously aggravated within the meaning of section 28.

A person guilty of either of these offences is liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or to a fine, or to both, or on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or to both (s.31(4)).

Final paragraph, up to 6 months doing porridge.

[The Kop]

My mistake then.

But hands up who honestly thinks he’ll be watching Euro 2012 in the clink??

[BlackBrian_7]

My mistake then.

But hands up who honestly thinks he’ll be watching Euro 2012 in the clink??

If this happens could Wayne Bridge make a return to the English National Team?

[totsreds08]

Ian wright has come out an said be thinks the ban is harsh given there is no evidence. I wonder how that makes some forumites feel?

[Jimbob]

Ian wright has come out an said be thinks the ban is harsh given there is no evidence. I wonder how that makes some forumites feel?

It's makes me feel terrible to be honest. If I'd have known how Ian Wright felt on the matter I wouldn't have said the things I've said. I'm sure other forumites are probably feeling a bit sheepish also.

[The Kop]

WTF……Seriously WTF.
Shocked that something like this appeared on goal.com!!
Bizarre!

"It was a situation the likes of which one experiences every day in the Argentine capital of Buenos Aires. Lining up behind an attractive, olive-skinned girl in her mid-20s in a store, in the middle of a December heatwave which pushed the mercury towards 37°C and waiting patiently as the stranger bought a box of Marlboro cigarettes. The clerk passed back her change with a smile, and the salutation "Gracias, negra".

A completely innocuous, mundane interaction, but one that stuck in the mind due to the events that followed a matter of minutes later. On the same day, and at almost exactly the same time as that exchange, Uruguayan forward Luis Suarez was receiving an eight match ban for saying the same word to Patrice Evra on the other side of the world in England.

It is not the purpose of this article to assign blame, to condone or crucify Suarez or to call Evra's sterling reputation as a footballer into disrepute. The pair are both professionals at the very top of their chosen career, so to descend into simple conclusions - as the temptation has been for many in the sport and in the media - is lazy and poor journalism. But to every story there is two sides, and in South America and especially Luis' home nation the reaction has been of utter disbelief.

"Senseless", was Sebastian Abreu's word to describe the lengthy suspension, while Uruguay captain Diego Lugano went even further in calling it a "grave error", and accusing Evra of breaking football's unwritten code of what happens on the pitch, stays on the pitch. The Uruguayan government even commented in favour of their striker, but perhaps one of the most considered arguments was provided by Lazio's Alvaro Gonzalez.

"In Uruguay we use terms that can be misinterpreted and all of us who know Luis know that he wouldn't have made the comment as a defamatory remark," he said in quotes published by Ovacion.

"You can't call a Uruguayan racist because of that ... perhaps we are paying the price for going to live in different cultures."

The word in question, negro, understandably appears ugly and bigoted when laid down on paper in English. As demonstrated by the anecdote at the start of this article, however, in Uruguay as in Argentina and much of Latin America it is considered a neutral, even familiar term. Friends, sons, daughters, parents are addressed with the phrase, or its diminutive negrito/a, whether they are from African, mixed-race or even European descent with blue hair and blonde eyes.

It is not the language of politicians or diplomats, admittedly, indeed little one hears inside the lines of a football pitch would be suitable in the debating chamber of the UN. But it is the product of a society and continent in which the process of nation and population-building has made traditional labels almost superfluous.

Some four per cent of the country's three million population claim African descent, a proportion double that of the United Kingdom and not including those of mixed heritage, believed to number around 10%. This group have been settled and integrated in Uruguayan society up to 400 years, and have left an indelible imprint on the nation's culture, music and language. Suarez himself has an Afro-Uruguayan grandfather, and he is carrying on a grand tradition of multiculturalism in the Celeste football team.

Uruguay withstood strong protest to field black players in the 1916 Copa America, a full 63 years before Viv Anderson took the pitch to become England's first black international. The history of the country's football success is littered with great players of African or mixed descent; and many, such as 1950 captain Obdulio Varela, are still remembered fondly as 'El Negro'.

In this context, then, a misunderstanding of intent and a linguistic confusion appears to be the culprit, one for which Luis Suarez has paid for heavily. Is he really expected to know that the Spanish word he has grown up with as neutral and even affectionate his whole life was co-opted by British and American slavers in the 18th century as a synonym for African people, and used frequently until becoming taboo in the 1960s civil rights struggle? It is the content of a university thesis, not an assumption for a 24-year-old footballer adapting to a new country and culture.

That is not to paint Uruguay or Argentina as colour-blind paradises, far from it. Racism and racist comments are no rarer than anywhere else in the world, although more often directed towards nationalities rather than ethnicities. The fact that in Buenos Aires the term Boliviano or Paraguayo when referring to immigrants from that country can be much more pejorative than the word negro is a cultural anomaly hard to interpret for someone unfamiliar with the culture, and migrants from South America are no strangers to similar discrimination elsewhere.

It has been widely reported, for example, that Evra called Suarez a "South American" or "Sudaca" before receiving his perceived insult, and the latter especially is horribly demeaning for those from the continent who have chosen to pursue their lives in Europe. The South American, however, left things on the field, most likely taking the angry exchange as part and parcel of making his living in a testosterone-fuelled atmosphere where tempers often fray.

It is equally unfair to say that Evra, perhaps not versed in the history and etymology of the word in its Spanish, Latin-American context, was wrong to take offence at Suarez's language. There is no place for racial insults, however intended, in modern football with the strides it has taken in extracting this cancer in the last 25 years.

But, as Tim Vickery mentioned in an excellent article on the same subject before the ruling, the FA had a perfect chance to demonstrate their ability to adapt to the demands of modern football. Taking Suarez in front of the board, explaining that such language can be construed in negative ways in England and handing out a light warning would have sent the player a clear message while not castigating him for his linguistic faux pas.

In throwing the book at the Uruguayan, however, the ruling body has demonstrated an ignorance and clumsiness when faced with cultural sensitivities which has made it the object of outrage in one of the world's most inclusive football nations.

Suarez's ban may be another step on the road to the English Premier League's enlightenment when it comes to racial controversies, but it also proves that when faced with a question of cultural understanding and compromise in a globalised football world, their attitude remains indisputably in the stone age."

By Daniel Edwards in Buenos Aires

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editor ... racism-ban

[Nice One Cyril]

The old saying springs to mind. When in Rome ...........

[The Kop]

Evra engaged him in conversation in Spanish.
Suarez replied Spanish.

But the FA took the case on in an exclusively English language point of view. Not to mention the word itself is borrowed from the Spanish language. It does show ignorance from the panel.....

[Nice One Cyril]

Evra engaged him in conversation in Spanish.
Suarez replied Spanish.

But the FA took the case on in an exclusively English language point of view. Not to mention the word itself is borrowed from the Spanish language. It does show ignorance from the panel.....

I tend to agree with you, the veritable mountain out of a molehill. Perhaps players, especially from abroad, need better educating by the clubs. I'm amazed Evra can even run with that mammoth chip on his puny shoulder.